Talk:Snakes & Arrows Tour

Do we need this?
Do we really need an article for every Rush tour? esp since this is the ONLY tour that has any infomation. I'm really thinking of submitting this as a article for deletionharlock_jds 20:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * There is more then just a track listing to be entered here. What I would like to see is a section that details the video clips that appeared in the concert and what was spoken in those clips.  I only saw the concert once and the clips were funny, but I can only remember some of what was said because of ambient crowd cheering.--216.101.11.66 20:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Concert information
Most of the concert information stuff that was on this page seems like either original research (esp the song x hasn't been played since Y information and song z has been dropped, not to mention the full details of the drum solo) or personal opinion (This tour is very different from any Rush tour as of late).

If I'm wrong feel free to provide references for the information (note it has to explicit say what you are referencing, linking to a history of rush tours to probe that a song is newly dropped ot hasent been played for a while would require original research).

if their is a web page for tour infomation it could be added as an external link so people could find out more infomation about Rush's touring history harlock_jds 11:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * ok i see 2 cites but neither of the cites support anything in the section (one is just a list of tour history's which only supports what is said if one digs though it... which is considered original research and shouldn't be on wikipedia). However the 2'nd cite has some good information about the philosophy behind the tour and a lot of that information would be nice to add. I'll see what i can whip up later.


 * however i think a lot of the materials still has to go as it's unsupported. harlock_jds 19:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * seriously, with about 10-20,000 people at 50 odd concert dates, we're talking of a concert tour that up to 1 million people on the planet experienced. We shouldnt write an article about this? Is wikipedia about reducing clutter to those elements of human knowledge and recorded experiences to those that are arbitrarily most important? I guess I need to pour over the wikipedia guidelines again, but common sense says what I had for breakfast today as an event doesnt warrant an article, but something that 1 million people experienced is. It's not like this article is stopping people from reading about the Mongolian Hordes, battles in WWII or what a squash is. If they're looking for this page specifically and they find it, great, otherwise it's really not in anyone's way. Hell ill make another donation to Wikipedia for the diskspace for this particular article, k? *I* found this article, and it made me want to go to the show - my first Rush show though I've been a fan since an older friend introduced me to them over 25 years ago (!) - it was certainly valuable to me. The track listing SPECIFICALLY was very important in my decision to pay the outrageous ticket prices, but in the end it was worth it because I was forewarned/armed. I got good value for the price, in the end. Thanks WIKIPEDIA! KenChasse 03:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Wisdom89, why did you remove the 'unnecessary' details of which track was from which album? Took a bit of time to figure it all out, and I went back to check the tracks on each album, and listed my work on the page for others to enjoy. How does destruction of extra harmless info help the article? For someone who isnt a rabid fan to figure out which track's on which album would take a bit of work and surfing wikipedia for 18 odd albums tracklists and matching them. Is this a test of dedication to the band? If you dont know where the tracks come from off by heart you aren't worthy? Snobbery! (So, I lost track of Rush after Power Windows, so I had to go do the research. Does that not make me a fan?) Additionally others had added links to each album for convenience, no small amount of effort. - KenChasse (talk) 23:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed it because it was unnecessary detail. Also, please don't comment on editors, comment on the contributions. Thanks.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 01:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Contributions dont come from a vaccum, they represent real human effort. Thus my comments on my (and others') effort to produce the content. To quash such efforts out of hand has a detrimental effect on future contributions. Unncessary detail is a highly subjective reason - Im obviously not as familiar with the wikipedia internal microadministration culture as you are, perhaps you can refer to rulings indicating that this is unnecessary. It I agree is an aggregation of detail available elsewhere on wikipedia, but would require reading 10-12 other articles parts seperately to discover this summary of information. Handiness of information is a factor in usability on wikipedia. -- KenChasse (talk) 23:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The first part of the article needs to be corrected. "A Passage To Bangkok" was last performed, in its entirety, on the "Moving Pictures" tour. This tour was more recent than the "Permanent Waves" tour and can be cited by linking to the song list on the "Exit Stage Left" album, which was recorded during the Moving Pictures tour.


 * Fixed. Thanks for the catch.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 17:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Set listings
Set listings seem dubious to me, but I think we can accept the 2007 list as it's published in sleeve notes.

The 2008 listing: what is the source? It looks like somebody's blog to me. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 11:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've decided to remove all statements sourced solely from fan blogs. We need reliable sources. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 12:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Colbert Report appearance
There is no reason to continue to add Rush's television appearance to the set-list for this tour. While it can be viewed as somewhat promotional for Snakes and Arrows, it is not listed as a venue anywhere, especially here.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 05:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)