Talk:Snapper Carr

Pre-Crisis
Shouldn't there be some info about snapper's life pre-crisis? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.137.181.163 (talk) 00:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't see why not. Feel free to add some. Lots42 (talk) 10:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Triva And Such
I don't understand the part in the trivia about being a nuisance. Many, many characters are/have been considered annoying as heck but can still be counted upon in a crisis. Heck, I work with just such a real person at the flea market each weekend. It's strange, but a dingbat can be very reliable. P.S. Trivia sections are frowned upon in Wikipedia. Lots42 07:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Changes
I made a ton of changes to improve the article; feel free to question why. Still think the whole thing needs a lot more work. And it'd be neat if we got a Snapper picture that wasn't so crowded with stuff in the background. Lots42 (talk) 10:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed television appearance
A character by the same name is in the Supergirl series, but (according to the reference), they are in no way related. So, its out. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 07:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * But they are related. "Not the same one as the comic books" is true of every version of Snapper Carr that has appeared outside of the comics. The writers merely adapt the character for their own universe, whether it's the Justice League animated series (where Snapper is not shown as a League member) or Young Justice (where Snapper's League membership is never mentioned, and he now has a university degree and public school teaching job). To suggest that "this isn't Snapper Carr" is to say that the Supergirl that appears on the Supergirl TV show isn't "really Supergirl" because the character differs too much from the comics.  To say "it's not the Snapper you know from comics" is correct, as the reference says.  But they didn't call the character "Bob Smith" or "John Johnson", they called the character "Snapper Carr". - Tim1965 (talk) 14:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)


 * So, to restate your argument, you are suggesting that because there is a character from DC comics called Snapper Carr that other series have used a character named Snapper Carr in some capacity and there is now a character in Supergirl called Snapper Carr that the latter must be related to the former? You understand that it is you making that connection, right? And its a synthetic one? I also noted a reference in my earlier post above that explicitly says that the two Snappers aren't the same person"
 * "...Snapper Carr, a veteran journalist appointed by Cat to remake the news division by going old school (not to be confused with the Justice League sidekick); and the comics-inspired Maggie, an out and proud detective for the newly formed Science Police, which deals specifically with metahuman and alien threats."1
 * You'll note that in the same quote that explicitly disconnects Snapper Carr from his comic counterpart it, in the same statement connects Maggie Sawyer to her character. I use the term explicitly because those sorts of sources are pretty darn nifty, as they spell out information in no uncertain terms.
 * So, these two problems - synthesis and reference - spell out the problems of wikilinking Snapper Carr from the series to a person of the same name in the comics. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Characters adapt and change with the times and the medium. Bane's backstory was changed between the comics and The Dark Knight Rises; does that make the movie version not Bane? Or are you going to suggest that Jimmy Olsen on Supergirl isn't Jimmy Olsen because he's black and becomes Guardian? Heck, does this mean that any of the other versions of Snapper seen in the cartoons aren't actually Snapper because their interpretation is different? Common sense states that TVLine's phrasing was meant to be interpreted as "The show takes a much different approach with Snapper than his original comic incarnation"; you can't take the phrasing of one source as gospel. Here are four sources that reference the ties back to the original character, while still stating "it's the same but it's a very different version." Bottom line: It's a DC-based TV series that has a character with the same name as a DC Comics character; it belongs here regardless of semantics. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 14:50, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * common sense doesn't replace references. Ever. The pre-existing reference in the article states:
 * "Snapper Carr, a veteran journalist appointed by Cat to remake the news division by going old school (not to be confused with the Justice League sidekick)"1
 * Not a lot of wiggle room there.
 * That said, you have noted that there are references that say that this is just a very, very, very (did I say 'very'?) different version of the comic book character. In the spirit of compromise, let's split the difference: we use both the quote I listed about that says he isn't, and a quote of your choice that says he is a loose adaptation of the character, and phrase it as follows:
 * A loose adaptation of Snapper Carr appears in the second season of Supergirl, portrayed by Ian Gomez. He portrays the editor-in-chief of CatCo Magazine.
 * Maybe that will work. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:29, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Or we just say Snapper Carr. Because it's Snapper Carr. There's room to talk about how the character differs from traditional incarnations, but at the end of the day, it's still Snapper Carr. See my interpretation below:
 * Snapper Carr appears as a recurring character in the second season of Supergirl, portrayed by Ian Gomez. In the episode "The Last Children of Krypton", Carr is hired by Cat Grant as the new editor-in-chief of CatCo Magazine, acting as Kara Danvers/Supergirl's new boss. Unlike previous incarnations of the character, Carr is portrayed as much older and more cantankerous, frequently clashing with Kara over her reporting skills and talking down to those around him.
 * This shows the character is still Carr and summarizes his role in the show, but also emphasizes the differences between his appearance on Supergirl and other versions of the character. Compromise. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, too in-universe. How about this:


 * A much older and more cantankerous version Snapper Carr appears as a recurring character in the second season of Supergirl''. Portrayed by Ian Gomez as the new, gruff Editor-in-chief at CatCo Magazine, his character frequently clashes with Kara over her reporting skills.""


 * How's that work for you? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Doesn't flow well. One more revision:
 * Snapper Carr appears as a recurring character in the second season of Supergirl, portrayed by Ian Gomez. The character first appears in the episode "The Last Children of Krypton", in which he is hired by Cat Grant as the new editor-in-chief of CatCo Magazine. This version of Carr is portrayed as older and more cantankerous than past incarnations, frequently clashing with Kara over her approach to journalism.
 * We don't need to emphasize the difference in the very first line; after all, there's still precedent for a lot of elements of Carr's character when compared to other incarnations, and we don't know if he's going to stay different or continue to fall in line with other versions as the show goes on (he's only been around three episodes, so it's too early to make that call). This way is more in line with the rest of the media appearances, and breaks it down very clearly. Sentence 1: Carr is a character in Supergirl, and this is who plays him. Sentence 2: Here's his basic role in the narrative. Sentence 3: This is how he differs from other Snapper Carr incarnations. Straight and to-the point. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:42, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we do have to stress that its a different version of the comic character, as per the ref that says so. We say it at the beginning and get it out of the way immediately, so we can move on. It bears pointing out that in no other version of Snapper Carr is he as much of a dick as he is portrayed in the series, so the phrase, "This version of Carr is portrayed as older and more cantankerous than past incarnations" is just plain false.That I am not insisting on calling it a loose adaptation shouldn't be considered turning a blind eye to the difference in portrayal.
 * Additionally, as we have noted that the character is a a recurring character in season 2, its redundant to point out their appearances and in what episodes - being concise is key here. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This is concise. Of the three episodes he's appeared in so far, with more to come, the only episode I mentioned was his first to show when the character entered the story (S2Ep2), which also served to introduce his role within the greater narrative (CatCo Mag EIC/Kara's boss); no mention was made of his actions in S2E3 or S2E4 because they don't add anything of importance. Furthermore, the character, like many of his other incarnations, is still a journalist; the only difference is his age and demeanor. We don't say how different the Justice League or Young Justice versions are in the leads of their entries, despite their differences. Vibe's and Killer Frost's articles don't feel the need to emphasize Cisco and Caitlin's differences in their articles, despite being WILDLY removed in many ways from their original incarnations. Substantial differences between a comic character and their incarnation in another media are fairly standard, and I honestly think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. But I doubt I'm going to change your mind at this point anyway, so do whatever you want. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Rick Jones?
Seems like I read somewhere that Snapper Carr was the inspiration for the Marvel Universe's "Rick Jones" character. Is that documented anywhere, or am I just wrong?

Checkmate section length
Does the Checkmate section truly need to have such detail about the plots of Final Crisis, 52, Infinite Crisis et al? To me it seems like all the paragraphs within it, aside from the the last one, and the sentence between paragraphs 2 and 3 are completely unnecessary, they don't talk about what Snapper was doing at the time, so why bother including it? If there are no objections I intend to delete most of that section, or at the very least heavily rework it. Cassandra Prime (talk) 20:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The biggest problem I had when composing that section was that nothing made sense about the character unless it was placed in context. The minimalist approach was "The character of Snapper Carr appeared in Final Crisis." But that seemed Start class writing. A solid rewrite is probably necessary, but I couldn't do it. - Tim1965 (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Image Change
User:Lots42 mentioned this back in 2008 and I think it is still true today, that the current image of Snapper Carr on the page could easily be better. If its acceptable within Wikipedia policy and fair-use, I could easily find a less cluttered image to use to represent Snapper. I'm thinking the 2019 Dial H for Hero series, the 1999 Hourman series or the JLA: Year One series could work well, if any of those titles are acceptable in terms of relevance/fair-use when compared to the current image. I've not dealt with changing images on wikipedia before so I'd very much appreciate input on the matter. Cassandra Prime (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Be bold! I think all you have to do is add the new fair-use image, and then add the new image to this article. The lack of link to the old image will draw attention of bots and will (in a few days) delete the old image from the Wikipedia servers. If the old image continues to be used in the article to illustrate the Golden Age version of Snapper, that image's page should be edited to reflect the new fair usage. - Tim1965 (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)