Talk:Snowboard/Archive 1

Safety
''Injuries for snowbaorders are very common, almost as common as std's, especially for upperlimb: wrist, elbows and shoulders. For lower limb injuries occur to the ankle. Beginners are in great danger during first hours of practice. Better start on very gentle slopes and with soft snow conditions even if you are a good alpine skier. Snowboard is a new sport easy to learn when all safety measures are taken.''

''100.000 wrist fractures in the world each season for snowboarders! Be aware wrist guards made for in-lane are dangerous. Shorts and rigid splints could bring bad forearm fractures. The best wrist protection is soft enough to allow normal wrist motion, but is abble to absord loads for hyper extension of the wrist.''

Some of the sentences don't seem to be complete sentences. The claim of 100000 fractures lacks a citation (and sounds like an awful lot). Should "in-lane" be "in-line skating", or is it referring to something else? Andjam 00:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The idea of in-line skate wrist protectors is that it breaks your arm and not your wrist. It is better to brake your arm, because that almost ever cures just fine. Unlike your wrist, which when broken, doesn't always heal well. Especially when the injured is older. If you take a look at it scientifically then, its just a matter of power. When you fall, then there come lots of Newtons on your wrist/arm. When these Newtons are enough then you just brake a bone.


 * Those pesky Newtons! They should stick to watching apples fall off trees instead Ralphy 11:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

"better start on very gentle slopes" sounds like advice from a skier. It is very difficult for even experienced boards to ride a very gentle slope. Gentle blues are the place to learn, not greens.

Stance Width
It may be just me but this and other recent edits sound more like a snowboarding manual rather than an encyclopedia entry, e.g. "A good rider should blah", "blah is recommended". I'm considering editing this. Ralphy 10:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

'Images'
The pictures are pretty bad. At the top, that snowboard is really old and the bindings are on backwards (98/98 Burton Customs with the third strap). Other images are less than spectacular... cap construction boards and step-ins... my boards are all plastered in free stickers, can someone post something less ghey? Ezweave80 01:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I would love a photographer/snowboarder to take a proper picture of a snowboard, but until that time I feel the first image should be replaced, as the previous user Ezweave80 pointed out the picture is of a Burton Snowboard that has been assembled incorrectly and the bindings are BACKWARDS. Wikipedia serves as a reference, and displaying a picture with a snowboard put together backwards and improperly could result in someone seeing this and putting their snowboard together improperly, possibly resulting in loss of equipment or injury. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burtonbluntsnowboard (talk • contribs) 01:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Why is there a photo of a ski resort on a page that is supposed to be about snowboards. A resort would be more appropriate on the snowboarding page. I thought this page was supposed to be about the snowboard itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.247.88 (talk • contribs)

History
"The breathtaking euphoria associated with the first snowboard arcs on a bluebird powder day, or the nervous excitement before dropping into a steep, cliff lined chute, may embed in a rider a sense of belonging to an ancient tradition of extreme athletes. Though their acute emotions may extend back through human existence, the use of a snowboard to experience our dance with danger is, in actuality, extremely new."

This doesn't really sound like something that belongs in an encyclopedia to me... it's a little overdramatic. I think we could do without this entire selection. Thoughts?

Paulbkirk 21:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I definintely agree, pure WP:OR, though I understand the sentiment ;p. User:Dachan02 rewrote the entire section with this diff, which deserves some attention.  The old section on the progression into the Olympics was deleted as well.  Go for it Paulbkirg, or anyone stopping by.  Ultimately, all of this information needs to be cited.  Anyone have a good book with the history of snowboarding?  &there4; here&hellip;&spades; 03:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So I went and removed the section. It was not very encyclopedic. I found a better history page in the history and placed it in the Snowboarding article. Maybe it would be appropriate to have two history pages, one in this article specifically about the development of the snowboard, and another in the snowboarding article about the expansion of the sport. Also there were a few good bits of the section I removed. Maybe they can be incorporated into the history section of snowboarding. Stephenbez 06:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the edits - the page makes a little more sense and flows nicely.

Paulbkirk 16:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * U.S. Patent # 3900204, which defined the modern snowboard, was granted to Robert C. Weber of Hyattsville, MD in 1975.


 * Robert C. Weber of Hyattsville - College Park, Maryland.


 * Robert Weber is probably best known as the person who first patented the modern snowboard. In 1972, after serving a year in Viet Nam as a helicopter pilot for F Troop 8th Cavalry, US Army, he began to experiment with various designs to enable “surfing on snow.”  With the technical knowledge he gained while studying aerodynamics, engineering and meteorology, Robert Weber built a variety of prototype designs to be tested at ski resorts during the winter.  These initial models were occasionally modified on the mountain with tools such as a small hack saw until the desired performance characteristics were achieved.  The next phase of development was to devise a suitable system for mass production.  In 1973, with movie film demonstrating success of the prototypes, an application was filed with the U.S. Patent office.  This later resulted in issuance of U.S. Patent # 3900204 in 1975.  A second Patent application followed with more refinements to the previous designs.


 * In order to become commercially viable, Robert Weber approached several large manufacturing facilities to undertake a first run of thermoplastic molded products. The trade name, “Skiboard,” was chosen and a Trademark was granted for use applied to a single ski device used on snow.  The first major production run was accomplished at National Vulcanized Fiber Industries in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania.  Robert Weber loaded his truck with the new products and began driving toward New England with expectations of making numerous stops at various retailers.  At his first stop in New York City, Harry Vallin of the Vallin’s Ski and Sport, bought the entire truck load immediately.  Harry then placed an order with Robert Weber to buy, “all you can make, as long as you get them here before Christmas.”  This prompted a second production run.


 * Next came sales efforts toward nationwide distribution. A deal was reached with Tom Sims, who was one of the largest sellers of skateboard equipment at the time.  After shipping thousands of units to Sims at the height of the season, Sims declared bankruptcy.  That forced Robert Weber to seek new distribution.  A deal was subsequently made with an undisclosed party (Jake Burton) for an undisclosed amount (tons of money) to sell the Patent.  Robert Weber was then obliged not to engage in the snowboard business again.  Instead, he developed a pilot program for a TV series called, “The Downhill Challenge.”  This was unique at that point because it had several racers start simultaneously at the top and race to finish line at the bottom without having any specific course to follow.  MTV wanted to buy the rights to the program, but before an agreement could be reached, a similar series of races had begun separately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zunev (talk • contribs) 18:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Please add comments to the bottom not the top of comment sections. Please sign your contributions with four tildes: ~


 * Weber may have invented it, but all sources give Burton the credit. Hero invented the steam engine and while he may get a little credit for it, James Watt is going to get top billing cause he made it work on a commercial scale and developed it. Leif Erickson may have discovered the New World but he didn't know it. We therefore celebrate Columbus Day of a guy who sailed almost 500 years later (and knew it was a new route but maybe not a new world either).


 * Maybe the Weber material can go in here, but it has to be short a couple of lines; be footnoted with a reliable source; and explain how Burton got ahold of the patents, if he did or avoided patent infringement if he didn't. If those three lines don't do all of that, please don't bother. They won't make sense and help the article. Student7 (talk) 13:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Intro rewrite
I rewrote the introduction. It seemed too long and most of the information was listed later in the article. Stephenbez 07:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

monoboard and monoski
I would like to bring attention to the articles on 'monoboard's and 'monoski's, they are so terrible that i believe they deserve a complete fresh start. I appreciate someone has put much time and effort into them, but they do very little to explain the concepts of either...if anyone reading this knows something about them then PLEASE have a shot at re-writting the articles. I would do it myself if it wasnt for my complete lack of knowledge and, to be completley honest, the sheer scale of the job. thankyou! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.4.74.65 (talk) 20:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Notable people in snowboarding
I would like to have jp Walker and Travis Rice added to the list because they are both widely known snowboarders and are very skilled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.246.81 (talk) 05:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I alphabetised and tidied up the Notable People in Snowboarding list. I also intend to remove the following names from this list as I cannot find any evidence of their notability in the field of snowboarding: Szász Ábel, Dane Bronzyk, Zane Caudell, Ryan duCharme, Nate Markel, Trevor Wigg. If you have evidence that they are, please let me know. Finally: this list probably belongs in Snowboarding anyway... any thoughts? TheSnowApe (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed section as relatively useless and unhelpful. Many notable individuals are already mentioned inline with a few words about their notability, likely in Snowboarding. A run of the mill list is handled by Category:Snowboarders.  &there4; here&hellip;&spades; 18:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Bindings
The subsection on Bindings seems to be subject to bias. The article describing traditional strap-in bindings is largely a list of the downsides of the system, and can describes it as an inferior design, yet nearly all professional snowboarders still use strap-ins.


 * (note missequencing of articles. No longer chronological in here top to bottom.)


 * I've modified the subsection on bindings. If you can find an actual reference and use it as a WP:RELY footnote, you can rewrite the subsection yourself, since there are none. Delete whatever you feel like! Right now, it seems a bit WP:UNDUE and a bit of a how-to manual, which Wikipedia is not. Please omit references to manufacturers. These seem like plugs (WP:SPAM). Student7 (talk) 13:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've edited the section on strap-in bindings and step-in bindings to remove the bias and uncited claims. I've also removed the company names. It should read better now, but I feel the strap-in section could still use some extra work to clarify what they are. Also, I question the need for a discussion on the history of highbacks, when they have their own section further on. I suggest possibly deleting the section the highback section. Bad mechanic (talk) 15:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Brian darflinger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briandarflinger (talk • contribs) 04:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

There is also something wrong about step-in bindings: as of 2018, you can still find and order some models (K2 Clicker is still available, at least). From the article: "Burton and K2 Clicker step-in binding systems are no longer in production". Source: http://de.k2snowboarding.com/en/womens/bindings/clicker-binding-1718.html?dwvar_clicker-binding-1718_color=black — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.133.190.22 (talk) 19:05, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Bindings
On the subject of bindings I've found that strap-in's are utterly annoying. I'm not saying they weren't working properly, on the contrary they were great. The only problem I had was that each time you had to unstrap (which is virtually everytime you're at the bottom of the hill or the top) you had to strap in. That alone made it annoying as you had to strap in while the rest of your group (if skiers or those already with hybrids, step-ins, or HiBack) were already ready to go. The bindings I had bought were high-quality strap-ins. However, for this upcoming season I want to buy new bindings either Hybrid or HiBack. Im just not sure which binding to choose from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.195.182 (talk) 23:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

what is this?^ this article is a mess we should do away with it. allow the article "snowboarding" to suffice and rework the "snowboard" page into a piece perhaps devoted to the item at hand. arrgh! even the discussions page is a rat's nest.Coraxofcambell (talk) 02:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Citations and References
Two references!? And four citations!? For an article this size!? Von dees (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * All top of the head stuff. Please questionable statements. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 02:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Summary
The intro needs to be re-summarized to reflect the current content of the article. Currently it is biased because it introduces a strong POV on some material and doesn't introduce other subject matter. --CyclePat (talk) 19:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Stance
I miss having mongo foot listed... I think everyone here knows what mongo foot is.. its very uncommong but some ride that way. Front binding has a smaller angle than the rear one. and how about removing this "instructors recommend to ride in forward stance" its like philosophy everybody says something different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.142.216 (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Advertising?
The caption in the ski resort picture seems like advertising. It does not directly or generally relate to snowboarding and does not belong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.231.13 (talk) 01:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

killed that pic, seemed utterly out of place anyway.Coraxofcambell (talk) 02:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Also the link following dual snowboards is an obvious advertisement, I'm removing it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.33.245.81 (talk) 05:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Production
This excerpt "Production: There are some manufactures that perform the entire process of snowboard construction and they manufacture over 500 per day with at least 30 different models. There is a great amount of manual work that goes into it as opposed to all of it being performed by machines and robots." seems vague and not very well written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.223.116.201 (talk) 22:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

A View to a Kill - origins in popularity
The Bond film opens with 007 in Russia. He escapes from his pursuers using a ski from a destroyed snowmobile. The ski is then used like a snowboard. I remember reading that the stunt was performed by an early pioneer of the sport. And the appearance of a single "ski board" rapidly popularised the sport. However there is no mention in this article regarding this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.122.178 (talk) 15:53, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Camber
I feel that camber should possibly be under board type or be focused on more in the article. It also needs updating. I will update it where it currently sits in the next few days however I'd like other snowboarders opinions on the importance of camber is board type and design and where they feel camber should be in this article. Burtonbluntsnowboard (talk) 03:08, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * An anonymous user edited regarding reverse camber, this is already covered in the board construction area and was basically duplicated information with the exception of the part about not catching an edge, which is more due to the detuned edges then it is reverse camber.(they go hand in hand for the most part, but not catching an edge would be detuned edges). I do think that we should look at how we have the article written.  Camber is becoming such a major category of snowboards that I believe camber should be completely re-writtend and be moved from board construction to board type.  Please see "Board Type" in this talk page for more discussion on how we can move camber to board type and re-write the entire board type section. OlafBerserker (talk) 04:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Brands?
I was reading through the talk section of snowboarding, and they had a list of brands... I think this might be useful to include either a top 10, top 20 or a comprehensive list of brands and possibly how many boards and/or pro riders they have, or other info like boards sold/manufactured per year? Maybe a nice table in alphabetical or possibly gross income/most popular/most sold/year started order? What are other peoples thoughts on this? Burtonbluntsnowboard (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That sort of thing can be a little tricky, as it's not easy to say definitely what the real top 10 or top 20 is (depending on your criteria and who is making the distinction). Sections like that can also become magnets for advertising and edit warring. We do have a category for snowboarding companies; I think you'd have to have a good argument why we'd need an annotated list beyond the category page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohnoitsjamie (talk • contribs) at 04:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)