Talk:So You Think You Can Dance (American TV series) season 8

Mary Murphy
Was it announced anywhere that Mary Murphy was returning as a permanent judge? I think that needs a source link.--96.230.114.123 (talk) 23:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Ecco212 (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC) I added a note about Mary returning in the article. Is that source okay?

Some preliminary stuff
Removed an unsourced list of supposed all-stars for the season that almost certainly is a reiteration of a debunked rumor that's been floating around for some time now as a result of a publicity photo from a live event that featured the exact contestants listed. Also, several of the supposed all-stars are ineligible (there are two former season winners for example, and producers are on the record in that previous 1st place contestants will not be appearing as all-stars), the genres of the dancers aren't varied enough (all-stars always dance in their genre) and Nigel Lythgoe has recently stated that the next batch of all-stars will not be selected until the contest is almost down to the final ten contestants. -Snow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.121.238.46   (talk • contribs)  07:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a little input on some issues I ran into will trying to do some rudimentary work on building the tables for the page, now that the season is under way. For starters, during the actual season premiere the second audition city is identified as San Francisco, but on FOX's page Oakland is listed. Is this a case of FOX trying to polish the auditions by attaching the auditions to 'cultured' SF? In any event, anyone who knows the specific venue the auditions took place at (not listed on FOX's page any longer) is encouraged to clarify that information in the table, in which I've temporarily chosen San Francisco. In the same vein, the premier implies two days in each of the cities in question, but the announcement dates reflect only one day. Perhaps it's the standing practice of the show to schedule a single day and only extend to a second if there are just too many auditioners. I'm assuming this is the case for now and adding these dates as well. Still, if nothing else, the order of the dates listed on the site is not consistent with their order as presented for the show. However, since the show itself provides no specific dates, I'm inclined to go with order suggested by the posted dates (that page, btw, now linked to the table in the same manner as in past seasons). -Snow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.126.199.66  (talk • contribs)  07:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In reality, the audition process begins with a general call where assistant producers screen dancers in groups, then select a number of them for callbacks that take place in the following days. This is why the audition call asks that "auditioners traveling to cities for the open calls should make arrangements to stay for at least two days following their initial audition in the event of a callback." But, although this is what happens and although the episodes themselves make it look like the judges spent two days in each city, we don't know if it was only two days, or which days it was, and can only go by what we have sources for, which is the dates in the audition call post on the FOX website. P.S.: Please use the four tildes (the wiggly things: ~ ) to sign your discussion posts! :) MissMJ (talk) 04:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I figured the situation was something along those lines; the show is fairly well-known for it's creative editing -- especially so with the audition portion of the competition. To be perfectly honest, I've never really seen the use in this particular table, I don't think it adds much in terms of relevant general knowledge to the article, but it's become part of the template for past seasons, so it seems like we are married to it.  Someone else is going to have to find the venues though, since I can't find mention of them anywhere. 67.126.199.66 (talk) 05:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)-Snow

To the person who removed Mary Murphy from the auditions table as a guest judge - I understand what you were thinking, she is not technically a guest judge with regard to the season as a whole, but neither is she present at every audition. The only consistently present judge at the auditions is Nigel Lythgoe. Only once the regular season begins will Mary become a permanent member of the panel. Bearing that in mind, if we are even going to bother with keeping that column in the table, it needs to reflect the two judges who are present aside from Nigel at each location, and so I have added Mary Murphy back into the frame. Alternatively, I suppose we could just title the column 'judges' and add Nigel's name in as well, but it seems superfluous and is inconsistent with the model adopted for the last seven seasons. - Snow — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.126.199.66  (talk • contribs)  11:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

This is probably something that will be resolved as the page fills out, but I can't help but think that the content regarding the changes in the judges panel would be better placed somewhere else aside from the lead section. Whether it's own section or not, I don't know, though it seems there are enough facts about the standing of specific judges to warrant one. Whether we need this info at all is debatable to me. I mean, I'm as happy that Mary is back (thrilled really, given who she's replacing), but I'm not sure this page is the place to be discussing her fight with health issues, even if it is limited to a single passing comment. A list of judges somewhere on the page, a note that Nigel and Mary are the two permanent members and  maybe  a single line noting that Mia and Adam did not return as permanent members seems more than sufficient to me. I know that this information has aggregated in the introductory section for the last three seasons, since the panel mix-matching began, but each successive season's seems to get a little more bloated with this kind of information and, again, I don't know how much it adds to an understanding of the show itself. Anyway, thoughts? 67.126.199.66 (talk) 06:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)Snow

Les Twins choreography scandal
Not sure this is important enough to put in the main article. Although there were grassroots attempts at making a big deal out of stolen choreography, Lythgoe already responded and said that the show's judges do not judge choreography, they judge the performance. Also, this "scandal" never made the mainstream media. I think the attempt at getting this information in the wikipedia article is just another part of the grassroots campaign. Porfirio Landeros (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed it. None of it was sourced and the phrasing did not meet NPOV. If someone has solid media sources talking about this "scandal," maybe it can be reinstated (we've had "Controversy" sections in the past, but for actual controversies that were widely covered/addressed on the show), but with much less accusatory phrasing. MissMJ (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Are there even explicit rules about what choreography (original vs others) you're allowed to perform? Neither of these contestants got on the show, so they didn't really profit from stolen material.72.91.221.131 (talk) 09:22, 5 July 2011 (UTC)