Talk:Soarin'/Archive 1

Merge with Soarin' proposal
I think Soarin' should be merged into this article. Many of the other Disneyland/Walt Disney World attractions are covered on a single page, even when the rides are very different (see Space Mountain and Haunted Mansion). These rides are exactly the same, other than the name. Bytebear 01:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree Phydend 01:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

From the Talk page at Soarin':

Why does this need it's own article? The ride itself is the same as the original at DCA. --Lyght 05:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it almost certainly will change (not speculation) to a different film in the near future, possibly to be announced in October 1, the time that Disney usually reveals any Disney-ish details for the next year. WBHoenig 00:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, there has been rumors about the change and it will happen. The merge would later need to be forked.  --Napnet 20:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Although the film will change (almost certainly), the ride is still the same. Most (if not all) of the rides common to the parks have one page with the differences highlighted, for example Space Mountain, which is a different ride in almost all the parks worldwide.  So these articles should be merged. Phydend 01:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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Even if the film were changed, it still should not have it's own page. Phydend hit the nail on the head. Bytebear 05:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll agree they should be merged. The only difference is the name, and yes I know the film will probably change someday, but its easy enough to add descriptions for each version, Tower of Terror is a good example. What about the buildings and queues, are they different from each other? --blm07 18:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The ride at California Adventure is in its own building (if I remember correctly it looked like an airplane hangar, but not sure it's been 2 years), the one at Epcot is in The Land's building. The queue in California is dedicated more to flying with airplanes hanging above the line and facts and figures about firsts in flight on the walls, the queue at Epcot is more based on conservationism with video screens giving facts about the rainforest, desert, etc.  The queue videos are the same, however.  Phydend 20:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and merged the two articles. Turns out that about 90% of the text was identical (other than individual updates - making them out of sync). A merge was the best solution. Bytebear 00:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, but it should be unmerged if a new film goes in there. It will then have nothing to do with Soarin'. 68.18.30.95 20:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
The trivia section needs to be cleaned up, and probably woven into the article instead of just a bullet list of information. References are also needed. Bytebear 00:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm that Michael Eisner is in fact the golfer in the film? Bytebear 07:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I seem to recall hearing that in the History Channel's Modern Marvels episode featured WDW (and the ride Soarin'). I have a copy of that DVD so I'll look into it. MoodyGroove 20:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

No, there is no confirmation that it was Michael Eisner, it is a theory passed around by CM's at the attraction (like myself). The camera is too far from him to actually make out his face. --Apollo2686 (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

While I agree with the intent of the revised trivia section, the core problem remains. None of the items listed is sourced with verifiable information. Simply knowing that it is unfortunately isn't enough. For example, in the Camarillo sequence, the article needs something that confirms that those are indeed avocado trees and that the grove used in the sequence was bulldozed and redeveloped. Please do not remove the flags/templates unless they are being replaced with a source for the information. Thanks. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 12:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Music
While waiting in line at Soarin' in WDW in Orlando, one of the songs they played was the musical score from Band of Brothers. MoodyGroove 20:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Illegalities
According to this article, Disney broke the law at least twice: Flying over the Redwood Creek and and Downtown Los Angeles areas, I was just wondering if this was true, and if so, how many other times Disney has technically "broken the law" for attractions? Applepwnz (talk) 05:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I doubt very seriously that Disney broke any laws in preparing the ride-film for the attraction. That's why I tagged them to get a source. Honestly, I'm at the point of removing the entire section because it's trivia, with no verifiable citations, for that matter. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 16:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That section was loaded with unsourced statements and first-person word usage, both which are frowned upon here. I've commented out the section, but not removed it. It can be reinstated once the so-called facts are facts and any first-person usage is removed. --(GameShowKid)--(talk)--(evidence)-- 16:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No complaints from me, GSK. Thanks. I think a lot of what was added may come from park folklore, which like any urban legend is completely beyond reproach *sarcasm off*. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 18:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section gone
While this section was removed over a year ago I managed to get it printed before it was gone. I have copied the info from it up here to give better discussing about this. Aside from it lacking sources as mentioned in the previous 2 comments I was on this ride recently and there are other things I have discussed in the following info below.

San Francisco

"Disney had to get special permission from the state of California in order to fly the helicopter over the Golden Gate Bridge."

While this section could be right (it is a major landmark of the state) it still of course lacks sources

Redwood Creek

"It is illegal to fly a helicopter of Redwood Creek. Disney had to pay a fee in order to film this scene."

I dought it would be illegal flying over a creek because thousands of other videos flying over creeks in a helicopter have been done elsewhere with nothing wrong.

Monterey Bay

"Sea lions can be heard, but not seen while flying over Monterey Bay."

I listened hard at this scene. The only sounds that can be heard (apart from the music and ocean) are seabirds

Lake Tahoe

"When the flight passes the top of the mountain, we see a sea of clouds on the other side. Due to weather conditions and budget limitations, Disney was unable to film a clear picture of Lake Tahoe."

While I do see the fact about the clouds (it was winter) I dought about the budget limitations.

Yosemite

"Disney had to get Congressional approval to fly a helicopter in Yosemite Valley. Also, the hang glider is computer generated because it would have been unsafe to fly a hang glider that close to a helicopter."

The hang glider in my opinion did not at all look computer generated and rest is unsourced.

Palm Springs

"The computer generated golf ball features one of the attraction's hidden Mickeys. The ball is rumored to have been hit by former Disney CEO Michael Eisner, though it is hard to tell because of the camera angle."

It is correct about the hidden Mickey of course and the ball certainly did look computer generated in my opinion and the second half is the same as mentioned in a previous comment on this page.

Camarillo

"The "orange trees" in this scene are actually avocado trees. The field filmed in this scene was demolished and turned into housing tract in 2002."

I checked this part and the trees looked more orange coloured among them. Also I checked Google earth and found this area and much of it did not look demolished at all (the satellite shot was taken 2007).

Anza-Borrego

"The horseback riders are riding to the edge of a cliff."

I did notice that but this is WP:OR so this would not belong anywhere.

San Diego

"At the very beginning of this scene you can see the shadow of the helicopter on the side of the aircraft carrier. The number on the carrier deck, 74, identifies the carrier as the USS John C. Stennis."

This is correct about the shadow and I have seen the Stennis many times before (it is based in Bremerton Washington not far from where I live) and the number is all right 74.

Malibu

"In this scene a "sea air" scent is injected into the air."

Well of course this is correct but this is also the same scent in the Monterey Bay scene.

Los Angeles

"This scene is exceptionally fast because Disney illegally flew over downtown Los Angeles. They had only one attempt, hence the dizzying film in this sequence."

I did notice that it is fast alright but as mentioned in the previous review Disney would probably not breack the rules like this (especially there studio is close by).

Disneyland

"At the time of filming, Disneyland was closed to the public for a Cast Member Christmasd Party. The Christmas Fantasy Parade is halted so that the helicopter could make several passes over the park. Disney's California Adventure was being constructed at the time, so that area is completely dark. The final hidden Mickey of the attraction can be observed in the fireworks at the end of this scene."

Why would the helicopter want to make several flyovers here? No reason was given. It is correct of course about the hidden Mickey. I can't believe that a Cast member christmas party would be that major. It looked more public as well to me.

Pre-show

"The pre-show is hosted by Patrick Warburton. It was filmed in theater B (which can be realized by the placement of the emergency exit stairs and placement of the carriage). In the scene where the lady buckles her seatbelt, her son is already buckled in. In the following scene she buckles his seatbelt. In the sequence with the carriages taking off, the worklights are on, the canopies are up, and the carriage does not move at full speed, which indicates that it was powered up into maintenance mode."

We already have the Patrick Warburton part mentioned further up the page. For the second part I cannot really indentify the placements at all. For the third part this is once again WP:OR. For the last part that secne looked a bit computer generated in my opinion and no one ever can see it being powered into maintenance mode.

Aside from all the above an exact Google search comes up with no results of things relating to any of this info so I can be sure all of this was made up. trainfan01 —Preceding undated comment added 02:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC).