Talk:Sober (Selena Gomez song)/Archive 1

Standalone article?
An editor expanded this redirect. The redirect was restored. I resorted the article. We're now going back and forth, so let's discuss here whether or not this article is appropriate. Thanks! Your thoughts? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * It is not notable. What makes you think it is?Kellymoat (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I've posted notes at WikiProjects Pop music, Rhythm and blues, and Songs to encourage discussion here. WP:GNG seems applicable, but I'd like others to help decide and give the article a bit of time to undergo improvements by the wider community. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:40, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not concerned with anyone writing a better article. I said in my first redirect that it was well written. I am waiting for someone to say something regarding the reason WHY this deserves a standalone article. Kellymoat (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I said WP:GNG above, and I don't think this content could be squeezed into Revival (Selena Gomez album). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:49, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * But WHY do you think... this isn't Twitter. You aren't limited to 150 characters. What specifically makes you think GNG applies. Also, this is an a song. Even if GNG applies, does it meet notability guidelines for musical works? Kellymoat (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I've said why already, so I'll let others respond at this point. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:53, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Saying "I think GNG applies" does not answer the question. You think GNG applies, HOW?
 * Is it a hit song - no. Is it a single - no. Is it the name of the album - no. Is it one of the top ten downloads on iTunes - no. Is it a viral video on YouTube - no.
 * There is nothing, other than you saying "I think GNG applies", that you have said to justify an article. Kellymoat (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of references here to make an article. Gomez is herself very notable. I don't see why this shouldn't exist. Brianyoumans (talk) 20:05, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited. Therefore, saying "Gomez is notable" does not mean anything. And these references you mention, are they standalone articles about the song, or are they about either the artist or album?Kellymoat (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello there My apologies for the late response, I just got out of a lecture. My name is Giacobbe, and I'm the editor who expanded the page in question. My decision to create a separate article for "Sober" was the first step in a plan to declutter it's parent album Revival, with the goal of promoting it to WP:GA status.
 * In regards to your concerns over WP:GNG; "Sober" was leaked several days prior to the record's release date, prompting multiple news outlets to report, review, and analyze the song. As her favorite song on the album Gomez gave numerous in-depth interviews surrounding the track's unique background, inspiration, writing, and recording prior to and after the album's release, along with charting on the US Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart. In addition to that, a substantial amount of music critics highlighted "Sober" as a standout in their reviews and analysis of the song and Revival, many writing at-length about the composition and lyrics (much more than what should be included in the "music" and "songs" section of the Revival article), which were notable for the buzz they caused over their proposed connection to her relationship with Bieber.
 * Combining information from her interviews about the unique inspiration & recording process behind "Sober", media coverage stemming from track's leak, charting on Billboard, added information taken from reviews of Revival and moving part of it's parent album article to here, there is notability and more than enough info to support a separate article. The articles creation will help allow both articles to reach GA status, with the eventual goal of making Revival and it's songs a WP:GT. Hope this helps clear up any concerns, and I look forward to working with you going forward.  Gia co bbe  talk 23:29, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

See also: Articles for deletion/Sober (Selena Gomez song). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:28, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Collapsing and marking this section as resolved per Articles for deletion/Sober (Selena Gomez song). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:06, 18 March 2017 (UTC)