Talk:Social Democratic Party of Germany/Archive 1

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There's an inconsistency between the German and English versions. English says "the oldest party"; German "one of the oldest parties". So, which one is more precise? --Menchi 22:16 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * Clarified. It is the oldest that still exists. djmutex 22:57 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * Hrm. Now I'm confused myself. I see that ZENTRUM, as irrelevant as it may be today, advertises itself as "the oldest party of Germany, founded in 1870." Now either the SPD is wrong, which celebrated its 140th anniversary of its foundation in 1863 this year, or the ZENTRUM should be sued for anticompetitive advertising. djmutex 23:11 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * The SPD considers itself the successor of the ADAV (founded in 1863) and the SDAP (founded in 1869). Both organisations merged to the SAP in 1875, which was renamed to SPD in 1890. If you take 1875 as the actual founding date, SPD is the second oldest party of Germany. Zentrum was founded in 1870 and still exists. I think 1869 is the legitimate founding date, because SDAP was a real political party and the predecessor of SPD, whereas ADAV was more like an association. This would mean it really is the oldest party of Germany.
 * (Jan, Germany) --80.134.146.150 22:40, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

M 12:41, 9 Mar 2004. . Jonesy (Deleted reference to SDP being the second richest party in the world - no evidence. The Chinest CP is not the richest party either - apparently the KMT is.)

No Evidence? What about the "Deutsche Druck- und Verlagsgesellschaft" they are the holding company the SPD uses. What that company owns is already enough to put them in one of the first places. But perhaps you are right an evidence containing listing of all their known shares of companies might be a better idea. In the spirit of Wikipedia we should collect some suggestions from other users: gavar

I am not entirely sure how this helps your point. This does not prove that the German SDP is the second richest party in the world, merely that is has a certain degree of wealth. Nowhere on the internet is there anything that backs up your assertion. Furthermore the KMT (that is, the Chinese Nationalists), are frequently described as the richest party in the world, which also contradicts your assertion that the Chinese Communist Party is the wealthiest. Unless you find evidence that the German SDP actually is the second richest party in the world, then it should not be included in this article. Jonesy 16:44, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC) - My Source of Information in this case (which was not the Internet) might be outdated. I am looking further into the matter as some sources on the internet as I found out today are in fact saying that KMT is No.1. Have you actually found a source saying this is no.1 this no.2 or are you saying its not possible to rank partys' wealth. gavar - My actual point was merely this - there is no evidence for the assertion that the German SDP is the second wealthiest party in the world. However, you have brought up an interesting point, which is it's pretty much impossible to find out which political organisation is richest. For example, in the United States of America, there is a division of political funding in that you will have funds for the Democratic/Republican parties to run for Senate and Congress, and other funds for a Democ/Repub presidential campaign. How exactly do we define the wealth of a given party? To be honest, I don't think it is a particularly important point, funding for parties changes from year to year, it's difficult to know how wealthy a party is, and we don't have any reliable sources to tell us. I suggest we simply wrap this discussion up and simply don't include this piece of information.

A list of chairmen before 1933 would be nice, but I'm not able to find it. Elizabeth A 18:15, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

The section on the Schröder government certainly doesn't seem NPOV to me. The fourth paragraph in particular goes off the rails, and the rest of it reads like an advertisement for the WASG.

Added link to English portion of party website
I think it would be most helpful, considering this is the English Wikipedia, to have a link to the English localized portion of the SPD website. Therefore, I have added it. --Dragon695 03:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Page name
In order to achieve consistency with other political party articles, shouldn't this article be renamed Social Democratic Party (Germany)? Lincolnite 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== Factual Error? i like cows and thats what made this all happen, Otto von Bismarck had the party outlawed for its pro-revolution, anti-monarchy sentiments in 1878; but in 1890 it was legalized again''" From what I remember of A-level history, Bismarck didn't actually ban the party did he? He banned anything that promoted "class warfare", and made permits a requirement for public meetings; or have I got the wrong end of the stick?MJ 16:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This is my recollection as well. The SPD was not allowed to hold public meetings, and so forth, but they did have candidates who stood for office, and were elected to the Reichstag and so forth. john k 16:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Two little changes
1. "In 1966 the coalition of the civic CDU and the liberal FDP lost its majority and a Grand Coalition between CDU and SPD was formed under the leadership of CDU Chancellor Kiesinger."

The coalition still had a majority. In the 1965 federal elections CDU/CSU and FDP together won 294 seats while the SPD gained 202 seats. CDU/CSU and FDP had different opinions on taxes and economy, also chancellor Luwig Ehrhard lost support in his own party. He was forced to resign and Kiesinger built the Grand Coalition.

I changed this: "In 1966 the coalition of the civic CDU and the liberal FDP broke and a Grand Coalition between CDU and SPD was formed under the leadership of CDU Chancellor Kiesinger."

2. "Later, to contest the early federal election called by Schröder after the SPD lost heavily in a state election in his home state of North Rhine-Westphalia [...]."

The homestate of Schröder is not North Rhine-Westphalia but Lower Saxony, as it is said earlier in the article. The SPD held North Rhine-Westphalia since 1966, for this reason their defeat led to early federal elections.

I changed this: "Later, to contest the early federal elections called by Schröder after the SPD lost heavily in a state election in their traditional stronghold of North-Rhine-Westphalia [...]."

Max, Germany 83.189.58.150 18:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Lemma changed
Hi,

I also made "of Germany" bold, because the "D" in SPD means "of Germany". Therefore it is part of the party's name. That's what I think of it as a german - hope this is ok? Regards, --Bmhm 19:39, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Chairmen of the Social Democratic Party

August Bebel and Paul Singer, 1892-1911 - link of Paul Singer leads to another person named Paul Singer. I am not privy to the original Paul Singer's life and times but it is obvious that he could not be a forming member of Elliott Associates in 1977.

Policies?
While it's platform are in the info box at the top, I think it would be a useful addition to add in something on its policies. The CDU page has it, and while I realize a German political party isn't the most important category of subjects on English wikipedia, some similarities, especially useful ones such as policy, should probably be included.

MagicBear (talk) 00:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

So sind sie die SPD Bundesfinanzminister, erst ruinieren sie durch Schulden die Bundeslaender Saarland, Hessen, Nordrhein-Westpfalen (Schuldenerhoehung NRW bis 2005 110.000.000.00 Euro) und dann als Bundesfinanzminster machen Sie von 1998 bis 2008 280.000.000.000 Neue Schulden (September 2008 Bundeshaushaltsdebatte)im Rahmen von Sozialismus Demokratie Partei und weil das nicht noch reicht das Sozialististische Kapitalismus Modell machen sie dann zur Rettung der Landesbanken Staatsbanken, Parteibanken, Staatsfinanzierer am 13.10.2008 gleich auf einen Schlag neue 40.000.000.000.000 Eurocent Schulden Das erfolgt ohne die Partei zu fragen, die Parteimitglieder zu fragen, die 16.000.000 Parteiwaehler (2005) zu fragen, ohne die SPD Bundestagsabgeordnete zu fragen-- was haben die Sozialdemokraten seit dem 9.08.2007 eigentlich gemacht? 60 mal am jeweiligen Sonntag den evangelischen und katholischen Pfaffen und Probst gelauscht?
 * http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/0,2828,583693,00.html
 * http://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/0,2828,583693,00.html

Restructuring of the English-language SPD article
Hello fellow Wikipedians. Since I'm a German citizen and know the German language, I thought it would be beneficial, for the sake of true information, to set out on the initiative to restructure the English-language SPD article so that it more strongly resembles the original German-language SPD article. Now, the SPD article has a structure that resembles more the German-language SPD article, and the information of the modified contents (Party Platform, Internal Groupings) has been translated from the German-language SPD article. If anyone doesn't agree with the changes, please let people know in this discussion, and give feedback, instead of reverting all the changes altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.34.139 (talk) 14:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

14. November 2009 Election SPD-Parteivorstand

 * http://www.spd.de/de/partei/koepfe/parteivorstand/index.html (old)
 * 82.109.84.114 (talk) 13:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Flesh out the article with information from the German language Wikipedia
This article is pretty sparse on information, in particular there's a lack of any description of previous SPD administrations in Germany, and the evolution of the party. Examining the German page, it's very fleshed out. Would anyone be up for bringing that information into this article, someone who can translate German?

Donquigleone (talk) 15:31, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Election results
Is there any reason why pre-1976 results are omitted from the table? Also, why is there no percentage displayed for the last two elections?--FoxyOrange (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Resume
In the resume, it says ”The party… has become one of the two major contemporary political parties.” I am not sure that is a fair assessment. SPD is currently not much bigger than any of the other small parties in Germany. Only CDU / CSU can reasonably say they have distanced themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.55.132 (talk) 06:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)