Talk:Social communication disorder

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Rapin and Allen
Who are Rapin and Allen? --DanielCD 04:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be Isabelle Rapin, a neurologist who studies autism and epilepsy, and who often works with Oliver Sacks. Doris Allen is a cognitive psychologist (I think) whose specialism is in language and its dysfunctions.--Bronwyn Gannan 04:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

Copyvio
I'm removing the apparent copyvio text from http://www.mugsy.org/spd.htm, added here for a rewrite (the rest of the text should be examined for copyright violations):

For a while, some language therapists maintained there was still an important difference between children with semantic pragmatic disorder and children with autistic spectrum disorder. They believed the autistic features seen in children with semantic pragmatic disorder were only a result of their difficulty with language.

However, further research has shown that there is probably a single underlying cognitive impairment which produces both the autistic features and the semantic pragmatic disorder. The fact that children with semantic pragmatic disorder have problems understanding the meaning and significance of events, as well the meaning and significance of speech, seems to bear this out. For example, Shields, Varley, Broks, and Simpson (1996a, b) have concluded that semantic-pragmatic disorder is a form of high-functioning autism.

Some researchers would contend this conclusion. For example, Bishop & Norbury (2002) argue that "it is dangerous to assume that all children with pragmatic difficulties have autism or PDDNOS" (p.1) as they identified a subset of children with pragmatic difficulties who do not show other social and communication problems linked to autistic disorder. However, they acknowledge the similarities between autistic disorder and language impairment and argue that a dimensional model such as that proposed by Bishop (2000) may best explain the relationship between these disorders.

Sandy Georgia (Talk) 16:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Lots of changes, but the article became worse
These changes by a random IP address introduced a lot of changes to the article, and every change that I've looked into made the article worse. It attempted to change the name of the article (to Semantic-Pragmatic Language Disorder) without actually changing it. It brought in a fictional character (Rain main) in the lead, surely an inappropriate thing for a medical article. It continually refers to a single web page. It removed some useful references to peer-reviewed literature.

For these reasons I'm going to revert the change. Perhaps someone with more expertise and time can pick out the good parts of the change and apply them. Eubulides 18:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced content (September 2009)
The following content was added Sep 1 by Techgirl101. I have moved it here, in order to source the material if possible, and move it back to the article if appropriate.


 * Semantics is the aspect of language function that relates to understanding the meanings of words, phrases and sentences, and using words appropriately when we speak. Children with semantic difficulties have a very hard time understanding the meaning of words and sentences.


 * This is sometimes apparent from their unusual responses when they are told to do something, and sometimes it is revealed by the questions they ask, and the things they say about words. There is an example here of 12 year old Nerida's interpretation of the word "acquire". In the example, she was unable to detect from the context that she was being asked what "acquire", rather than "a choir" meant.


 * People with semantic processing difficulties have particular trouble with abstract words like 'curious' or 'vague', words that relate to feelings and emotions such as 'embarrassed' and 'anxious', and words that refer to status (for instance 'expert' or 'authority') or degree (for example, 'essential' or 'approximate').


 * They have difficulty with idioms, sayings and slang expressions, often taking them literally or interpreting them oddly. For example, when asked if he enjoyed spending time with his friends, a 14 year old with semantic processing problems replied, "I don't see how you can spend time, and I certainly don't see how you could enjoy it because spending time is not something you can do. You can only actually spend money".


 * Another difficulty children with semantic problems experience is that they may not be able to identify the key point or topic in a sentence, and because of this may suddenly change the subject, very obscurely, apparently thinking they are on the same subject. Here is another real example from a girl aged eleven. Question: "Could you get the book off the shelf and give it to me?" Reply: "The Gulf Stream warms the coast-line"

—Whatever404 (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Really bad edit
This edit seems really bad. The editor deleted essentially all the content in the article, and replaced it with a huge list of literature references. While this appears to be a good faith edit, not vandalism, neither change was appropriate. If the text was not ideal as it was, it would have been better to improve it. The long list of references with no article text seems inappropriate too. Wikipedia is not a directory. References are used to support article text. An article should not contain a long list of "references" that support nothing.--Srleffler (talk) 02:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the long list of citations below, for now. These may be useful to editors of the article, as sources and citations for article content. They should not be simply reinserted as a list. Wikipedia is not a literature directory.--Srleffler (talk) 03:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

PSI vs SPD vs SLD
The abbreviations PSI and SPD are used in the intro of this article, but the rest of the text uses the term "SLD" without any explanation for what it means. Not sure how to fix this because I can't figure out which is correct (or what SLD even means). 192.234.13.46 (talk) 15:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi and thank you for your remark. SLD means Specific learning disability. I checked the History of this article, and in a version of 2010, it said PLI (abbreviation for pragmatic language impairment). Some editor must have changed it into SLD. Now I have changed it back. I did not find any abbreviation PSI. SPD is explained in the first sentence: semantic-pragmatic disorder. With friendly regards,   Lova Falk     talk   18:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I meant PLI rather than PSI, thank you for the clarification and the article improvements. 192.234.13.46 (talk) 16:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Abbreviations matching DSM-V
I was noticing that the abbreviations for pragmatic language impairments were used inconsitently throughout the article. Is there a reason why we do not use the official DSM-V title for the diagnosis? This also goes for the title of the page as well Lbrjohn3 (talk) 06:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Good point. I have changed the text of the article to say social communication disorder (SCD) throughout, as it has been officially known since 2013. CUA 27 (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)