Talk:Social influence/Archives/2012

Social influence
Social Influence - how people are influenced and or motivated by others has 3 key elements. All people are motivated by fear, reward and love. Motivation through the use of "fear" is largely negative in nature, based upon self-preservation and provides little or no discretionary effort. People are looking to get out of any environment dominated by fear motivation and those that use fear as a motivational tool will constantly need to increase the energy they expend on fear motivation as their subjects will get numb or use to the threats/fear being utilized. Motivation through the use of "rewards" is largely positive in nature, based upon self-gratification and provides a medium range of discretionary effort on the part of the one being motivated. Reward motivation however has 2 major drawbacks, one - as people obtain more position and wealth, rewards must be increased just to maintain the same level of motivation and two - the same reward over time becomes an expectation and results in a deminishing return. Motivation through the use of "love" is entirely positive in nature, based upon selfless acts and provides for an infinite amount of discretionary effort by the one motivated by same. Selfless acts where one is truly looking out for another, and putting their needs and wellbeing ahead of one-self, create trust. "Usually people of good genes (looks), significant sums of money, good jobs and so on will possess social influence on other, "ordinary" people."

Retouching
Alright, this thing really needs a retouching. And I'm not going to do it. Yeah, maybe I'll add a couple of thing, but I'm not good enough. RaphaelFaunus 05:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This article does need a lot of work, it focuses too much on influence from personal qualities, and leaves out influence from reputation, connections and the Bully Pulpit.--RLent (talk) 16:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I restructured the article a bit. I think the section on conformity ought to be deleted, the article is not about conformity, but the ability to influence. A link to article on conformity should suffice. The article still needs work, but I think it is a little better.--RLent (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Needs many parts to be flat rewritten. Much of the current article reads like an 11th grade social studies essay that got a B-. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.181.134.212 (talk) 19:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, this article needs a lot of work. Part of the problem is that it is such a broad topic. It needs to address conformity, persuasion, socialization, peer pressure, leadership, etc. I disagree with RLent about omitting conformity. This is a central part of social influence as studied by social scientists. --Jcbutler (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I intend to revamp this article as a part of my university course project under the direction of Robertekraut. Feedback on what needs to be added will be greatly appreciated. I'll provide some sort of outline in the near future. Careid (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's my layout so far.
 * Varieties of Social Influence
 * -Compliance
 * -Identification
 * -Internalization
 * Instances of Social Influence
 * -Conformity
 * -Minority Influence
 * -Self-Fulfilling Prophecy
 * -Reactance (anticonformity)
 * -Obedience
 * -Persuasion
 * Factors in Social Influence <- The most disorganized section. I'm still working out how to address this.
 * -Charisma
 * -Bully Pulpit
 * -Peer Pressure
 * -Psychological Manipulation
 * -Psychotherapy <- I will likely move or this one, since professions with normative slants could introduce a slippery slope.
 * -Reputation
 * -Emotions
 * Social Structures
 * --Social Networks
 * --Gladwell on Social Structures


 * I intend to rearrange Factors, Instances, and reorganize the bottom of the article, which seems to be going in every direction. I also want to perhaps introduce a History of Social Influence Research. Careid (talk) 02:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Influence of public institutions
The article should maybe include a brief section on the influence of major institutions, such as Government, School and Church. ADM (talk) 10:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

TV influence - Perceived Reputation
The article has a comment about movie stars but has removed a somewhat similar comment about television where the scriptwriters put words into their actor's mouths (such as West Wing). It has been stated elsewhere that if 'President Bartlett' were to have stood for President of the US then he would have had many votes. The power of such 'fake' charisma and a pretended 'pulpit' should be dealt with properly.

The reference to 'Bully Pulpit' refers to the media. Should the power of the 'colourful' let's say somewhat Christian, evangelist in his pulpit get a mention.

I also note that there is not mention of Advertising, Propaganda or Disinformation as influencing factors.

MayBBetter86.160.136.146 (talk) 12:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Reference mix-up
I don't know how references work so I can't change it, but the reference link to "Fear or romance could make you change your mind" (Ref #4) goes to an unrelated article. A quick Google search yielded this, which appears to be the true article. --Marshmello 23:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshmello (talk • contribs)

Social Structure
I found this article that discusses the varying social structures to social influence that I thought was relevant to this page. I included the main points. Please let me know how it can be improved. Thank you. Starfounder (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)