Talk:Social media and suicide/Archives/2015

Decision of Changes
Three major changes:

1. Structure: the first paragraph will be definition to help readers to understand this topic. Then we have two subtopics: social media risks and suicide preventions. The structure of subtopics show as follows:

* Social media risks: * Impact of pro-suicidal sites, message boards, chat rooms and forums. * Correlation between suicide rates and Internet/social media usage. * Cyber-bullying vs Cyber harassment. * Suicide pacts (Traditional pacts and cybersuicide pact) * Suicide notes, webcast and media * Suicide prevention 2. Content: we will add some necessary content, such as definition and cases into articles. * Add suicide prevention part. * Add video or picture. * Make the lead section more definitional and attracting. 3. Format: we will uniform the format of each part.

begin
MiracleKis (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)i think we should start right now. i'll try to find some specific webcast suicide cases and put them in the webcast section. aAnd i can find some pictures too.

Implementing changes in the article
Hi All, Let us start editing the article with the suggested changes. I have been working on Social media risks section. I will ask you guys for peer review before I edit the article. Everyone please post the information on what sections are they working. Grk24ct (talk) 18:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Vagarii (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Hi all, as Dr. Farzan said in the email, I will edit the reference part just as I mentioned in the early discussion.
 * Vagarii are you taking up any other section apart from references?Grk24ct (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Please take a look at my sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Grk24ct/sandbox in which I have mentioned the changes that I am going to implement.Grk24ct (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Yuz82 (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)I will take suicide pact and webcast part and try to post it on my sandbox as soon as possible.

Vagarii (talk) 16:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)I read about the changes Grk24ct made in the sandbox, so what I do is put all the reference in the article to the reference's section, is that right?
 * Thats not required Vagarii. I have mentioned all the references while editing the article. What you can do is go through the main article and see if there is any invalid links with red color and or invalid references which you can find it by clicking on each reference link.Grk24ct (talk) 17:34, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yuz82 (talk) 20:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)I have completed the last three parts of social media risks. I changed "suicide notes, webcast and media" into "media contagion effect". This section talks about the influence of spead of suicide method via chat room, forums and video. And I change "Cyber-bullying vs Cyber harassment" to "cyberbullicide" as well. You can give me some suggestions or make some corrections. Here is the address of my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yuz82/sandbox And how should we allocate other parts? MiracleKis and Vagarii, will you take some? By the way, I use APA style to cite sources.
 * Yuz82 I have reviewed your changes and it looks good.Grk24ct (talk) 00:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

MiracleKis (talk) 23:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)I've already edit some content of webcast, pact and group parts.@Yuz82, after reading your sandbox, i think you can add your "impact" part at the end of old "suicide pact" part. As for citation style, we dont need to care about this. Because all citations are automatically generated when you provide URLs.

MiracleKis (talk) 23:43, 1 December 2015 (UTC) have anyone taken the definition part? I have an idea about this. i think we dont need those sentences which show us some cases. just saving the first sentence and last 4 sentences which begin at "There was a research...". just like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MiracleKis/sandbox. Besides i have found this research, and i can make a citation. is that ok? Since many words will be deleted, i can't just do it without your agreement. pls response to me ASAP!.

Vagarii (talk) 00:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)@Miracle, I cannot see your sandbox, there is nothing in here!

Vagarii (talk) 00:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)@Grk24ct, I am not get what you mean? Because it is seems that if I want to edit the references and citations, I need to get though each section to edit them, not just edit those in the reference section.

MiracleKis (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)ok, i paste it out. "Social media and suicide have an important relationship. There was a research study conducted by the School of Public Health at the University of Sydney, Australia. This study was conducted in order to research whether there is a correlation between suicidal ideation and social media exposure to suicide stories among young adults (14-24). The study concluded that one of the most mentioned sources of suicide stories were social websites. This in mind, there was also a reported rise in feelings of hopelessness and suicidal tendencies among the participants surveyed." i just delete some content which has real cases. i can also add more details of the conclusion of this research.

Vagarii (talk) 01:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)What we do at the end is edit the article in the wikipedia, not just in our sandbox right? @MiracleKis @Yuz82 @Grk24ct
 * Yes, I have already made my changes in the main article.Grk24ct (talk) 00:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Yuz82 (talk) 01:12, 2 December 2015 (UTC) I added some definitions under some sections and make an adjustment of the structure. I think we should make the first paragraph more concise and improve the "prevention" part of this topic.

Vagarii (talk) 01:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)why I ask because it is hard to keep the style of citation and reference the same, so what if you guys paste the parts which you correct in your sandbox into the social media and suicide article, and I check them all the same format? And also, I will work on the lead section of the article.

MiracleKis (talk) 01:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC) as i have said, citation and reference are automatically generated. we just need to use "cite" fuction in wiki but not manually cite by ourselves. Guide: click "edit" in each section (not edit source), then you will find a tool bar at the top of screen. put your mouse at where you want to make a citation and left click. click "cite" in the tool bar, and provide your URLS. That's all we need to do. If you just want to make a hyper link, you can click "link" on the left of "cite"

Vagarii (talk) 01:28, 2 December 2015 (UTC)@MiracleKis, thanks, so what we do is take charge of each one's part and do the reference and citation as you said, it's sounds good, I am working on the lead section right now. But I still what to ask do we just edit in the sandbox or edit on the target article at the end?

MiracleKis (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2015 (UTC)I think we can just edit on the article if you are very sure or your editing won't change too much on the original content. Otherwise, we need to check in the sandbox.

Vagarii (talk) 02:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)hi guys, I edit the lead section, could you guys give some advice on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vagarii/sandbox? What else we should do?

MiracleKis (talk) 02:46, 2 December 2015 (UTC)i suggest that you could add some conclusions (one or two) from the study which mentioned in the end of original content. here is the link of that study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3477910/

Yuz82 (talk) 03:11, 2 December 2015 (UTC) I think the leading paragraph should be concise. I mean we can limit the words to several sentences so that it's easier for readers to capture the main idea of this topic.

Vagarii (talk) 15:18, 2 December 2015 (UTC)@Yuz82, actually i think the leading section is not too much, and I check the standard of good leading sectionHow_to_create_and_manage_a_good_lead_section, it show that we need to cover what the article can provide to the readers. In stead of concise the leading section, may we can find some images or video adding to the leading section. What is you guys opinion?

I have edited the Discussion and support group section as it had two invalid references to wikipedia pages for the following terms 1)Defense Centers of Excellence and 2)Suicide prevention lifeline. Grk24ct (talk) 01:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)