Talk:Social parasitism (offense)

Social parasitism (biology)
Animals can also be Social Parasites. Could Someone add information about this form of Parasitism. User:JohnJohn
 * What do you have in mind? "Society/social" normally applies to humans. Mikkalai 20:07, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think there is something called "brood parasitism" it is typical of some species of birds. Essentially one species lays her eggs in the host species' nest leaving the host mother to rear her young. I think it may also be intra-specific nest parasitism. My Biology text authored by Sylvia Mader labels it as a form of social parasitism. User:JohnJohn 30 April 2005


 * This is described in Parasitism. I am adding a note, please see if this works. Another option would be to rename this article into Parasitism (social offense) or some such. What do you think?  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 03:45, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I've been doing some superficial research on the subject. Social Parasitism appears to be a biological term as well as a social offense. Before renaming, however, it may be that the subject is already covered in another article with a different more technical title. For example, some one might call kleptoparasitism "theft parasitism." Nevertheless, if we are going to rename this article I suggest: Social Parasitism (Biology) and Social Parasitism (Social Offense). Britanica defines social parasitism as one species taking advantage of another species of the same kind. For example, ants taking advantage of other ants (not of the same species). User:JohnJohn 1 May 2005.


 * Great. A couple of notes though: 1) WP:RULES WP:NC is not to capitalize captions unless they are proper nouns, etc. 2) I have just created a redir Social parasitism (biology). 3) I'd like to reduce the redundancy in Social parasitism (social offense): perhaps Parasitism (social offense)?  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 07:49, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The Russian term is actually without "social". It was probably added by the original creator of the article to distinguish it from parasitism (HS, did I guess it correctly?). The Japanese usage is without "social" as well. So the second version IMO is fine. As for Social parasitism in biology, I would suggest to make it the main article and create Social parasitism (disambiguation) to link to Parasitism (social offense). Mikkalai 19:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Yep, you're correct, Mikkalai. Thanks for giving a hand in avoiding double redirs in Special:Whatlinkshere/Social parasitism.  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 21:47, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Broader focus
Sam Spade very reasonably mentioned that the topic is in fact much broader than what was covered in the article. Following his hint, I immediately came up with two more well-known usages of the notion, see my recent edits.

Please help to elaborate the subject further, since I am not a political scientist or something. Mikkalai 23:06, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your pleasent note and quality contribution. Sam Spade 06:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Internationale
The French version of the Internationale is not irrelevant, it is the original version of the text. It is certainly at least as relevant than the Russian one. Rama 07:53, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't have particularly sentimental attachment to any version but think that English belongs here since this is English WP, Russian - because the section talks about the USSR. If you feel French is absolutely necessary here (I'm not at all convinced, though), why not add another column?  &larr;Humus sapiens&larr;Talk 09:11, 10 May 2005 (UTC)


 * The section does not speak of the USSR. It is about the Socialist and Communist movements. The fact that the Internationale was at some point the hymn of the Soviet Union is a sidenote, here. The original (hence French) and English version would therefore be the ones which should be featured. Rama 09:50, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

No version of the Internationale has such lyrics as far as I know. I'm going to remove it. --MaeseLeon (talk) 22:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Bourgeois Bias
I landed on this page by following the thread of classes which are parasitic. Primarily this currently does and always has applied to ruling classes who live off the labor of the working classes. This page is totally oblivious to this major fact of human society and thus expresses the said bias. Further by ignoring the main case and focusing on the inhumane cases such as the Nazis it functions as an aggressive misrepresentation of the issue which suggests that those who point out the parasitism of the ruling classes are equivalent to those who characterize the handicapped as parasites, which is a clear and big lie.


 * Should have dated above, sorry. Supplied reference for a right winger referring to Katrina victims as a parasite class. Should add that yes, in some sense, all of the regressive and backward elements of society are parasites on it whether ruling or underclass. Actually the two tend to be fellow travellers as the poor and ignorant are most frequently themselves conservative until pushed to extremes at which point they snap into a shallow and easily reversed defense of their class interests. Lycurgus (talk) 06:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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Deleted South Africa section
Deleted section that stated that apartheid South Africa officially classed blacks and coloureds as social parasites. If such a controversial assertion is going to be made, it needs a reference. I am not aware of any such official classification. Booshank (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources please
Any further changes here are fine, but please bring any WP:RS on the subject. There are none two so far. My very best wishes (talk) 20:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Parasites in the Russian Federation
The article says: In 1961, 130,000 people were identified as leading the "anti-social, parasitic way of life" in the Russian Federation.

I'm having trouble parsing this. The Russian Federation is the non-communist government which succeeded the communist Soviet Union in 1991. People could not have been leading any way of life "in the Russian Federation" in 1961 since this was 30 years before it existed. Neither does it make sense for the Russian Federation to "identify" any parasites since it is not aligned with communist ideology.

What is the sentence trying to say? Was this statistic derived in post-Soviet times? Then it should be "by the Russian Federation", or more correctly by the researcher. Was it the communist government who identified them? Then it should say "in the Soviet Union".--159.20.91.198 (talk) 05:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * "Russian Federation" indeed existed in 1961 - it was one of the constituint republics of the USSR (full name "Soviet Federative Socialist Republic of Russia", but I think that is usually called RF); however I doubt that there was specific statisticals collected for RF in 1961; much probably the numbers were for all USSR--MiguelMadeira (talk) 17:04, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Merge Request
I noticed several Merge Request. For example Herbivore men and Parasite single. Those articles have far more substance and I think that merging would be wrong. Instead I suggest excerpts and full article links --Krischik T 20:43, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Other uses of Parasitism
According to at least one commentator, it may be the new social paradigm — involving class warfare and exploitation of electoral processes — of myriad and disparate countries around the world. See Oligarchy, Kleptocracy and Elite capture. Referenced and useful to our readers. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)