Talk:Social protection in France

When and what were the "first laws"?

The article says that the first state welfare benefit laws in France were in the 19th century - but it does not give the dates of these "first laws" or give any real information about them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:B5E6:6400:2CC2:C9B5:3C98:FC65 (talk) 12:36, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Social protection in France → Welfare in France – The term social protection in this context seems nothing but a bad translation of French term for welfare, protection sociale (the French article is at fr:Protection sociale en France). Social protection is a term much less used than welfare; as our article states, it's a specialized term used in UN speak. Category:Welfare by country is the primary applicable category - note we don't even have Category:Social protection. This article is also clearly a part of Welfare in Europe series (there is none, nor will there ever be, social protection in Europe series...). Category:Social protection in France should be deleted, too (see the cat link for relevant AfD), with Category:Welfare in France remaining as the main category for this article after its move. Let me present some popularity usage in sources: 1) "welfare in France": 350 Google Books hits, 2) "French welfare": 4,180 hits, 3) "social protection in France": 75 hits, 4) "French social protection": 450 hits. In case anybody wonders about the use of term social protection outside France: "social protection in the United Kingdom": 1 hit, "social protection in Germany": 22 hits, "social protection in Spain": 7 hits... respective welfare variants get 10-100 hits more. (On that note, a French speaker should investigate whether an article on welfare is correctly interwikid to fr:Bien-être, I don't think so, but my french is just intermediate level). Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 06:05, 14 March 2013 (UTC) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC) Several different sets of terminology may be used to cover the topic, including:
 * Oppose. The nominator's position is based on an assertion that "the term social protection in this context seems nothing but a bad translation of French term for welfare". That's patently false: in Ireland, for example, these matters are the function of the Department of Social Protection.
 * social protection (e.g. Ireland and France)
 * social security (used in the US to refer to retirement/disability support, but it also has a broader meaning as set out at social security)
 * social insurance, where support is provided on an insurance basis
 * social welfare (see 7 million hits on Google books)
 * welfare, an American usage
 * Given the diversity of usages, Wikipedia should follow the terminology used in the country under discussion rather than trying to impose the American perspective of omitting the "social" context. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.