Talk:Social system/Archive 1

Informing WikiProject Sociology
, Erkan Yilmaz 21:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Dragon Realms info is completely wrong
I'm not sure what the policy is for this (I don't really edit wikipedia, just followed a link here) but almost everything mentioned in the DR section is completely wrong. Should I just remove that section? 64.245.107.130 (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Missing References
I see that the introduction section of the article "The first who formulated a systematic theory of social systems was Talcott Parsons where it was a part of his AGIL paradigm yet the social system is only a segment (or a "subsystem") of what Parsons calls action theory; however, Vilfredo Pareto had used the term "social system" earlier but only as a sketch and not as an overall analytical scheme in the sense of Parsons." needs references.

I will now find the reference about Talcott Parsons (figure)

this link to the book 

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3968935;view=1up;seq=38 Parsons introduces action theory on page 18 of his book 

--Mayssoun saleh (talk) (talk) 17:12, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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I agree with your opinion that need to find and add the reference about Talcott Parsons .I read the book <Parsons, T. (1951) related pages,i think that's related to "action theory" what have been mentioned in this article.great reference!

I read the paragraph"Approaches of Parsons and Luhmann" of the article:" while Niklas Luhmann considers communication processes which constitute a social system."need a reference. I am trying to find it,hope you can help me to check whether the reference i find is right.

The link is to the download of the book 

http://pittcat.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?BBID=6365726

According to the summary ,i guess this book can be related reference.

We can add this reference:

^Brunczel, Balázs.(2010). Disillusioning modernity: Niklas Luhmann's social and political theory. New York : Peter Lang.

Kimiyu01 (talk) 04:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Great job,guys,i will be responsible for adding references,hope you can keep to give me suggestions. We need add the below references

1.This section‘By 2000 EverQuest became the first virtual world to reach 500,000. By 2000 this number ballooned to almost over two million users. Because of the addictive nature of the game, and the amount of time needed to be a Hero in this world, the game was coined[by whom?] EverCrack.’ lack reference,i find the Ever Quest official web which include the overview of EverQuest can be used as reference.

EverQuest overview: https://www.everquest.com/game-overview

2. The 2.5 section introduce WOW ,but it doesn’t have related reference, here is the reference from WOW official web :

Wow Game guide: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/

3.The section 2.6 talks about Second life,i think we need to add a reference about the Second life: Here’s the reference from Second life’s official web: Second life Guide:http://secondlife.com/whatis/?lang=en-US

Mayssoun saleh (talk) 21:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Perhaps,you can add the reference about Ultimate Online. I find some other area that can be improved.Based on the good article criteria:’illustrated ,if possible ,by images’,i find the article need to be improved by adding some figures.The whole article does not have any images,i will try to add the images which are relevant to the topic and list these images below,hope you can help me decide which one is suitable. Kimiyu01 (talk) 04:58, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I figure out where need to add figures,the article listed many games,but did not post related images.Here'is the images related to games:



Kimiyu01 (talk) 16:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good,Thanks for adding images.Besides,Thanks for your suggestions of adding the Ultimate Online reference. Here's the reference: Ultimate Online: http://www.uo.com/

Mayssoun saleh (talk) 21:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC) I find that the article lacks external links,it listed these games,but didn't give the related links.I try to visit the official web of these games.I will add these  URLs to the article.DO you think that's ok ? External links that can added: 1.Dragon realms official website http://www.play.net/dr/ 2.Ultimate Online official website : http://www.uo.com/ 3.Ever Quest official website: https://www.everquest.com/ If there are some other external links i forget to add,please help me. Kimiyu01 (talk) 16:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC) I think need some other external links,i have find the links,these below also can be added to external links: 4.World of Warcraft (WoW) official website: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/ 5.Second life official website :http://secondlife.com/

Mayssoun saleh (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Thanks for your help. After we finish adding references、external links、figures.We can move on to find another area which need improvement.

Kimiyu01 (talk) 22:48, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Hi ,guy,i find a new problem,obviously, this article is not well written and the section 2.1 Dragon Realms seems to have bias. The introduction on Dragon Realms the author gives can not persuade readers very well. I’m planning to add some content about Dragon Realms which can‘verifiable with no original research’ ,but i’m not sure where can i find the right definition and introduction about the Dragon Realms,Adding relevant contents seem to be a hard job,i have no idea.

Kimiyu01 (talk) 22:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Here’s Dragon Realms’s official website,there’s introduction about Dragon Realms.hope it can be useful! Link： http://www.play.net/dr/

Mayssoun saleh (talk) 23:01, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Thanks guy ,that’s useful.I will add this section to the article：‘DragonRealms is a high fantasy roleplaying game that features a vast and detailed world to explore, amazing creatures to meet and fight, and a wide variety of professions and races to build your character from!’ this citation is from the website about Dragon Realms,thus we need to add this to the reference.

Kimiyu01 (talk) 23:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC) OK, will add the website as Dragon Realms’s reference Link:Dragon Realms http://www.play.net/dr/

Mayssoun saleh (talk) 23:11, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Well,It seems that we have finished our improvement plan. In order to make others read our talk easily,we can summary our plan of improvement.i will address what i have done with your help. 1.According to the criteria of ‘verifiable with no original research’,I find that the article doesn’t contain a list of all reference,so we need to add the related references.

Here's references added:

1.Parsons, T. (1951). The social system. New York: Free Press.

2.Brunczel, Balázs.(2010). Disillusioning modernity: Niklas Luhmann's social and political theory. New York : Peter Lang.

3. EverQuest Overview: https://www.everquest.com/game-overview

4. WoW Game guide: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/

5. Second life Guide:http://secondlife.com/whatis/?lang=en-US

6. Ultima Online: http://www.uo.com/

7. Dragon Realms http://www.play.net/dr/

Add some missing external Links:

4.World of Warcraft (WoW) official website: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/

5.Second life official website :http://secondlife.com/

Mayssoun saleh (talk) 23:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Then,i will summary other improvement i did with Mayssou's help.

Add missing images:

According to the good article criteria 'illustrated ,if possible ,by images’,the whole article doesn’t have any images,I add the images which are relevant to the topic.

1.image for Dragon Realms

2. image for Ultima Online (UO) 3. image for EverQuest

4. image for World of Warcraft (WoW)

5.image for Second Life

Add External Links:

1.Dragon realms official website http://www.play.net/dr/

2. Ultima Online : http://www.uo.com/

3. Ever Quest: https://www.everquest.com/

Add Missing content:

This article is not well written and the section 2.1 Dragon Realms seems to have bias.The introduction on Dragon Realms the author gives can not persuade readers very well.I added content about Dragon based on the criteria ‘verifiable with no original research’.

'Dragon Realms is a high fantasy roleplaying game that features a vast and detailed world to explore, amazing creatures to meet and fight, and a wide variety of professions and races to build your character from!’can be added to the part of Dragon Realms.

Kimiyu01 (talk) 23:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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I will add an image for social media networks i uploaded it from flickr within Creative Commons-licensed content to the wikimedia then to here :) here is the image --Mayssoun saleh (talk) 03:39, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Article cohesion
A strange article, lacking cohesion. A mash-up of two stub articles: one on Parsonian social systems, the other on digital/ online social 'systems'. Solution? Break into two stubs? Delete? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 09:28, 23 September 2014 (UTC)