Talk:Social web

Predates?
This article predates the quoted article by nearly a decade:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,985581,00.html

"The idea is that we will lead the transformation of the Web into a social Web,"

MR. RHEINGOLD'S NEIGHBORHOOD
The reference mentioned above: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,985581,00.html is a nice reference from 1996. The quotation is apt.

But which article mentioned above is the predated one? Is it the The Social Web Research Program at http://www.fit.fhg.de/~hoschka/Social%20Web.htm dated 1998? This is a nice historic document.

The other reference is CSCW research at GMD-FIT: from basic groupware to the social Web at http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=290576 This is not good at all in the sense that the material is not generally accessible. I do not have an ACM account. (Михал Орела 15:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

New definition of Social Web
I have added a people-friendly definition of Social Web and give Flickr as a first example. I now propose to give a few others grouped appropriately. For example, MySpace, Bebo, and Facebook are all in the same category of "I want to tell you all who I am and what I do and what I like". (Михал Орела 16:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

just corrected spelling of MySpace (Михал Орела 07:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

The 7 Social Attributes
I like these. I wondered where they came from. I googled: social attributes identity who are you, and found a direct source at http://connollyshaun.blogspot.com/2008/05/7-key-attributes-of-social-web.html (date of last access 2008-07-01)

At the very least one ought to have added this reference. (Михал Орела 08:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

"To-Do List" Group 3, Social Theory
As part of a course on social theory at the University of Pittsburgh, my classmates/fellow editors wish to propose an overhaul of this page in the following areas:

1. Revision of the article abstract/introduction

2. Inclusion of a segment on the history and development of the social web -- Ethan

3. Expansion of the segment on the technology that make the social web possible (XRI, etc.) -- Erik ---If Erik is not doing this, I think we should eliminate it.
 * This section is not necessary Erikmhatter (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

4. Creation of a segment on social interaction and group mechanics through the social web today and how it is facilitated. Inclusion of a listing of the various options/interactions today's social user has an opportunity to partake in -- general, through forums, chat rooms and social networking sites with friends and strangers alike, as well as special interest sites that bring similar individuals together to discuss hobbies - combined with social web today

5. Addition of a segment on social gaming and augmented reality as it relates to the social web (with mentions of games played over social networking sites). This section will include information pertaining to the rewards (both physical and social) for completing these social games (or exploring their social implementations/reaching out to others) and for sharing your results with friends and strangers alike. -- Erik and myself (Russell) --- I also think this can be eliminated now.

6. New section on the fully realized interconnectedness of the social web: the constant presence of opportunities to link into facebook, twitter, and other social networking sites. The ability to share your interests and discoveries while browsing the web with others via that networking.
 * Tagging and Social Bookmarking references — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsoruss (talk • contribs) 01:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

7. New section on social web in relation to web 2.0/3.0 - not important to our topic

8. Revision of segment on identity and provision of new information in relation to the social web (creation of separate online identity vs extension of personality into the web). We plan to incorporate the Proteus effect into this section, making its rather stub-like article unnecessary. - Melanie --- not relevant. Attaching info to stub of Proteus Effect.

9. Addition of a segment on social interactions that begin on the web and then carry over into real life. Examples include dating websites, ebay, and craigslist. Explain what types of relationships come out of these. - Melanie

10. Creation of a segment on social interaction/feedback mechanisms built into websites not originally intended for that purpose exclusively. Examples include allrecipes.com, where individuals can share their feedback on recipes shared by one user. - Russell - combined with social web today

11. New section on collaborative efforts through the social web -- example includes open source projects that include a community of developers advising each other and working together on one project. - Erik can mention in social web
 * This section now exists Erikmhatter (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

12. Additional section on crowd sourcing through the social web -- tie-ins with social or augmented reality games and marketing research and surveys, focus groups, Facebook polls, etc. - Erik - combined with social web today
 * This section now exists Erikmhatter (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I've added a small section on social art, as it deserves at least a mention. Erikmhatter (talk) 22:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thumbnail image of share buttons added. Erikmhatter (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

This is by no means a complete, exhaustive list, but this will be the general framework for our contribution to this page. Rsoruss (talk) 04:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * This seems like a good plan. Also, try to discuss things here and interact with one another, rather than just "declare" things. Check out how the Talk:Economic globalization group is doing that.
 * Keep in mind that you will be graded as a group, so while individual activity is important (it will "weight" your grade), you are welcome to help your colleagues with their sections. By editing only your own section, you run the risk of it being in a different style than those of your colleagues. also, keep in mind that the lead, while not the largest part of the article, should summarize all the other sections, so it is a section that is usually best written in collaboration by all editors editing the article.
 * Don't forget to reference all content you are adding. Usually one reliable reference per sentence is enough (but if you build your sentence relying on multiple sources, you'll use more than one ref per sentence).
 * You can receive email (or other) notifications whenever this page is changed. See Syndication for how-to.
 * Other things to keep in mind: 1) you are welcome to ask for suggestions and advice from others; try doing so by visiting the talk pages of the WikiProjects listed above 2) if you mange to significantly improve the article over the course of five days, you can list it at T:TDYK and see your work featured on Wikipedia's main page (this will also net you extra credit).
 * I will be looking forward to seeing the sources you plan on using.
 * PS. Don't forget that you should all be editing individually, so don't have your colleagues post your sections for you. If this happens, they will get all the credit, and you will get none. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 17:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * A note to my fellow group members: not sure if this is obvious, but you can access all of Pitt's online article databases via remote login. This will make it convenient to access the wealth of information available to us through databases (including google scholar, JSTOR, etc.) from home! I've found google scholar to be the best source of information for what we're doing. I've pulled off a number of good articles on social marketing, gaming and identified some terms that should be present in the article, notably "tagging" and Social bookmarking (i.e. the bookmark bar pic I sent around). I can send or post specifics later if anyone would like! Rsoruss (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I would argue that we need to condense some of these topics, or at least reign them in -- I feel that any social gaming section we do should only relate to facebook/social network games and tagging, for example. MMO social groups and habits have their own wiki pages and its too much for us to try to cover in this article (not to mention, its somewhat outside of the range of the Internet exactly). Thoughts on this or any other sections that should be condensed or expanded?--Rsoruss (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * One way to start is to remove all unreferenced content. Or move it here, and see what is worth rescuing (referencing/rewriting). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 18:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ongoing edits include History paragraph, but I'll looking at some sources ("Designing for the Social Web" by Joshua Porter and the already referenced Kim Won article "On social Web sites") that would give the lead paragraph some cited info. I'm also thinking of integrating the classifications paragraph in the current social web paragraph, what do you guys think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsoruss (talk • contribs) 22:33, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Edits to history section are for the most part finished on my part -- I'm tempted to completely remove the "Social Web as a Future Network" section, since a lot of it is unverified or uncited and it doesn't seem necessary since we're already including information in other sections about how the social web is developing -- any input? --Rsoruss (talk) 23:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

GA nomination done. Tyod (talk) 10:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Added the subtopic--Rsoruss (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I moved the template to the top of the page, per style. Good job guys, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 20:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I've added the sections on collaborative efforts. Erikmhatter (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great -- also just found this source, which should solve our lead paragraph definition of social web problems: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/XGR-socialweb-20101206/ -- there's a lot to be mined here, I think--Rsoruss (talk) 13:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Pictures/Graphs
I like the picture that's been uploaded to the main page a lot, and I decided to look around the web for some additional ones. The two I've liked so far are this and this. I was also considering adding a graph to the history section that would give more exact dates for the transition from static web sites to two-way conversation and then multi-way conversations. What do you guys think?--Rsoruss (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Images are nice, as long as they are relevant. But remember that images have to be free. See my comment to Erik here for what I mean, and guides that explain how to work with images. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 18:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Temporarily shelved sections

 * Temporarily moved these section to the talk page so we can determine if they're worth inclusion in the article anymore. In the case of the "future of the social web," I feel it will need to be reworked if it is to be reincluded--Rsoruss (talk) 01:28, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you have made some good progress with the article, but remember, folks - this is supposed to be a group project, and I am not seeing much of the group activity. That worries me... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 02:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I want to commend you on recognizing that the Proteus effect is off topic, and merging it to the Proteus effect article. Such actions does count towards extra credit. You may want to consider if the other sections cannot be saved in a similar fashion. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 18:42, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Social interactions
Social interactions through the social web have become a vital part of life for many Internet users, as many social websites support a small number of default groups and assign new members to one or more of them, also allowing members to explicitly form new groups, and/or join them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsoruss (talk • contribs) 12:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The Social Web as a future network
The use of the term in this context was introduced in 1998 by Peter Hoschka in a paper called "CSCW research at GMD-FIT: From Basic Groupware to the Social Web". The paper identifies 6 research topics relevant to the Social Web: personal representation and virtual identities; mutual perception and social awareness; formation and establishment of norms and conventions; self organisation of groups and communities; social construction of community knowledge; software agents as mediators in social processes.

In July 2004 the paper "The Social Web: Building an Open Social Network with XDI" describes how the introduction of a new protocol for distributed mediated data sharing and synchronization, XDI, could enable a new layer of trusted data interchange applications. The key building blocks for this layer are I-names and I-numbers (based on the OASIS XRI specifications), Dataweb pages, and link contracts.

Perhaps the best analogy for the Social Web is the worldwide banking and credit card system. This infrastructure has evolved over centuries to facilitate the global exchange of a very sensitive form of data — money — by establishing a common means of exchange among trusted third party service providers — banks. The Social Web takes the same approach for exchange of private, sensitive information by establishing a common means of exchange among trusted third party service providers — i-brokers.

Quick review of the History para
Good start. But: Keep up the good job, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 21:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) only the first sentence uses the term "social web", and it is uncited
 * 2) the rest of this para is about social media, not social web. One of your tasks should be to clarify this distinction (what is the difference between social media and social web)?
 * 3) do not capitalize words unless they should be capitalzized. Neither social web nor social media should be capitalized, they are just regular words.


 * Thanks for the feedback Piotrus -- I'll look for a source to cite for that first sentence but as I understand it the social web is a term that encompasses interactions that occur primarily on social networking and social media sites. Because of that I felt it made sense for the history section to relate heavily to the development of such sites. I'll keep my eye out though! --Rsoruss (talk) 16:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Classmate Reviews
Hey Guys,

I was reading the economic globalization page, and it got me thinking that maybe we could mention something on how the web impacts other countries. Not a lot since were focusing on the social aspects of the web, but I think it would be something interesting to consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjc106 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey fellow group mates, I think if we have time we could examine the impact of the social web on other countries, but I think we should first pin down how it affects interpersonal communication, if we look at that. I think we're off to a good start, but we need to tackle a few things which have been brought up -- most notably the lack of the term "social web" from many of our entries. I think we need to just do a better job of tying them together -- for example, social media and social networking sites largely comprise the social interaction that makes up the social web, and so while they are independent terms they are important to the explanation of what social web is. I'm not through editing history, so thanks for the feedback guys! Also, I'm not sure what to do about the proteus effect...at this point it's been said its not that related, so should we cut it? --Rsoruss (talk) 22:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys so far what you've done looks really good. The history section was really easy to follow-it was brief yet still covered all of the major events. I saw the section of "social interactions" was really short. If you're planning on adding to it that'd be great but if not I'm not so sure its necessary becuase its so short. Other than that it looks great!!--Ler321 (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys I agree that some of the sections are relatively short but other than that, the article is informative and easy to read! Ebw7 (talk) 03:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys -- yeah some of the sections are a little brief but we'll be adding to them shortly!--Rsoruss (talk) 22:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, I think you did a really great job so far. I just wanted to mention that the origins of the web were for government use and though it was government, it was also a social process. I would probably mention the purpose of the web started out to communicate over distance and thus was always a social vehicle. Brucesbeckerman (talk) 18:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bruce, a good suggestion -- the source referenced doesn't give a great overview of the original intent of the internet, so there's definitely room for expansion and clarification there!--Rsoruss (talk) 22:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey! Your group seems to have done a really great job! I was reading your article and considering what could be added and it dawned on me. So with the social web extending into our lives as the years go by, we've all heard or witnessed types of crime, harassment, and other unfavorable things. I think it would be a nice (word choice..?) addition to say something about the possible perils that come along with the social web. But all the sections read very nicely, very well worded.Sandere0 (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Some spotchecks
In addition to what I wrote on the history section, here are some other thoughts:
 * intro (WP:LEAD) should summarize the article, not introduce new concepts
 * definition of what social web is should be referenced; while the lead first para has an end reference, it is not clear if this covers more than the very last sentence
 * Proteus effect - seems mostly unrelated (too detailed), it should probably be split off to its own article (assuming it is notable). Remember, this article is about social web, and should not into too minute details of some obscure related phenomena
 * as I told you earlier, some old content of this article is junk, don't hesitate to move it here and out of your way
 * "The first is an open global distributed data sharing network similar to today's World Wide Web, except instead of linking documents, the Social Web will link people, organizations, and concepts." - the first what? This unreferenced sentence is one of the examples of what you may want to kill (at the very least, it needs rewrite & referencing)
 * "Open social networks using FOAF has been around since 2000." - so how is it relevant? And unreferenced
 * "Perhaps the best analogy for the Social Web is the worldwide banking and credit card system." - perhaps yes, perhaps not; in either case, "perhaps" is not a very encyclopedic style. Also - says who? Unreferenced, raises possible WP:NOR issue...
 * "Earlier uses of the term include:" - lists with one bullet point should not really be lists...
 * "Social interactions" - relevance?
 * "Web to Real Life" - and an entire section that does not even use the term "social web" at least one. Either it needs to be adapted (rewritten with sources that use this term), or it should go. Remember: "social web" =/= "social media", "Internet", "world wide web"... it is something more specific that you need to clarify
 * did I mention earlier that you may want to start by (re)moving a lot of the existing content? It creates an illusion that there is meat to this article, where in fact there is just a lot of junk that will get in your way. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 04:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * PS. Try to focus on the "social" aspect. Our course is, after all, social, not CS. Fortunately, the nature of social web is quite social indeed - don't get distracted by some CS-related technicalities. You are doing well so far, but make sure to use sources that talk about social web. Google Books and Google Scholar, as I demonstrated in class a while back, are your friends. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 14:12, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey group,

I checked out the changes. Sorry I havent been much help since Monday. Im still on vacation, but I managed to get on a computer. Ive been checking my email and trying to check this on my phone. So if you guys think there is ANYTHING that I can add too, please do not hesitate, I will manage to complete it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjc106 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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