Talk:Society/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ganesha811 (talk · contribs) 21:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article, using the template below. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here. This is a tricky article to get right, so forgive me if it takes a few days to get started - I have to do some background research to assess comprehensiveness and the sources. —Ganesha811 (talk) 21:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Of the universe, I noticed you've been less active recently. Can you confirm that you are available and have time to fix issues arising from the review, such as the sourcing issues below? Thanks! —Ganesha811 (talk) 07:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ganesha811 Yes, I do! Thanks so much for the time and effort. I'll work on it soon. Of the universe (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Great! Will go over the rest of the sourcing issues and some other notes today. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ganesha811, FYI I've come down with COVID so I may be slow to work on this for the next week or so. Of the universe (talk) 03:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that, feel better! —Ganesha811 (talk) 04:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Of the universe That's a bummer. I hope you'll be alright and get well. — Alex26337 (talk) 04:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ganesha811 I added more information on Reference 66, and I shortened the quote to include only what's essential to the article sentence its reffering to. - Alex26337 (talk) 19:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for helping out! —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I also fixed the issue for Reference 69 (I'm just doing what I can to help). I'll note anything else I fix if/when I continue. - Alex26337 (talk) 20:04, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ganesha811 I improved References 37-39 (And additionally, reference 40). - Alex26337 (talk) 21:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ganesha811 Question: If the problems noted down have been resolved, are you going to remove them from the list (or a better idea, strikethrough the problems so there is a record of what was a problem)? - Alex26337 (talk) 21:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Feel free to strike them through yourself as you resolve them, or just use ":*" to reply to each comment as you fix them. —Ganesha811 (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like we're getting very close on sourcing - thank you for all your hard work, @Alex26337. Once we've wrapped that up, the onus goes back on me to do a final comprehensiveness and prose check, and then I think we'll just about be there. —Ganesha811 (talk) 21:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I have hesitated to make a comment about this review, being occupied with other matters which will likely prevent me giving this the attention it deserves. However, the issue of cultural bias impacts this article significantly, as it likely does all social science articles. The basic outline of the topic is firmly in the mainstream Western tradition of sociology, beginning with the three theoretical orientations (not really "paradigms") used to define society. While Sociology 101 classes may continue to begin by teaching the 19th century Western canon of Durkhiem, Marx, G.H. Mead and Weber, a WP article should find a way to acknowledge from the beginning that these conceptions have excluded other perspectives. Similarly the types of societies should not be limited to definitions based upon levels of technology; pre-industrial, industrial, and post-industrial, which are also rooted in a 19th century Western POV. - WriterArtistDC (talk) 05:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this thoughtful comment - I will consider it as I assess comprehensiveness. Beyond the Alatas piece below, do you have any other recommended works that describe or outline these other perspectives? —Ganesha811 (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ganesha811 Alright, after at least a week, I finished the remaining reference-related tasks. Additionally, I went over and properly formatted all the references, sources, and further readings as I worked on this article. It feels really amazing to help promote this article to the GA-class, especially because of three things: (1): this is my first time doing something at this extent, (2): this is a Level-1 Vital article, and (3): as of now, I'm less than 50 edits away from Extended-confirmed status. I know there's still that one task with expanding the Industrial society section, so I'll try to look into that. Although, while I have been trying to get at least one task done per day, school is about to resume, so I may be working less frequently. As usual, if there are any issues regarding this article's references, fell free to tell me; and thanks or noticing my contributions! — Alex26337 (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You've done remarkable work! We're very close to GA status now. Thanks for your contributions so far. —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have a concern regarding me helping out on this article. I realized that, for this article's remaining tasks, its been hard to keep my mind on them and formulate a proper solution, because I'm not good at expanding articles as I am improving maintenance tasks and information connected to and regarding references. To me it seems the pressure to keep up with this article is increasing, and I don't want to abandon this article that's very close to being promoted. This brings me to two things I want to say - (1): To @Of the universe, I want to personally thank you for expanding the industry section, since that's been on my mind for awhile. I'd recommend listing your completed task in the table below. (I'd do it myself, but I want you to take the credit). (2): To @Ganesha811, is there a place where I can ask other editors to help with the remaining tasks for this page? I don't want to bear this guilt of not being able to help with everything. - I'll still keep watch on the article and this nomination page, and if the oppurtunity presents itself, I'll continue to help out. — Alex26337 (talk) 12:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your hard work! I'm sorry I haven't been able to help more myself. I'm still planning on expanding the Industrial section more before I mark it finished. — Of the universe (talk) 13:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No guilt required! Wikipedia is a hobby, not a job, and you're under no obligation to do more here, especially as you weren't the original nominator. Just take a break and help out whenever you feel like it. But don't feel required to find a replacement or feel any guilt, Wikipedia should be fun. —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)


 * it would be great to wrap up this review in the next week, given it's been open since the beginning of the month. Do you have the availability/time to make the remaining changes/adjustments over the next seven days? I think we're very close and can definitely get to GA here. Thanks! —Ganesha811 (talk) 15:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ganesha811 I will try my best! I am feeling better but now behind at work due to COVID. I really appreciate your in depth review, and I wish I had been able to be more responsive. This is my first time having my wikipedia editing substantially reviewed, so it has been a very valuable experience for me. I think I'll have more time to finish things up after tomorrow. Of the universe (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok! I'm not strict on 7 days, but let's say we'll give ourselves until the end of the month. At that point, if we're not finished, I'll have to close the review. Hopefully won't be an issue. I'm glad you're feeling better! —Ganesha811 (talk) 18:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like we just need one more thing under 'Coverage', I'll do a final prose check, and we're all set! —Ganesha811 (talk) 14:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * This article now meets the GA standard. Congratulations to the two nominators here, who both contributed a great deal, and to all others who worked on the article. I'll promote it now! —Ganesha811 (talk) 21:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)