Talk:Sociology of health and illness

Anonymous 10/30/2013 Hey, I don't use the talk page very often, so I realize this formatting is all wrong, but it looks like it's been a long time since anyone edited this page. There's a big problem on it that I can't fix myself- this page has very little to do with sociology of health and illness; it's got a lot of irrelevant information on the situation of healthcare around the world and very little on how it relates to sociology. I don't know how to put a sticky at the top of the page that says something like that, but if anyone sees this it would be nice if they could put it up there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.171.152.227 (talk) 22:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

starting out
This article is about to undergo some serious work, stay tuned --Dam59 (talk) 15:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Looking forward to seeing your "to do" list fleshed out here soon! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 01:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

This is our Plan of Action
The topic we are interested in is "Sociology of Illness". We plan to outline our wiki page as follows;

1. Definitions of Sociology of illness

2. Methodology, Research, Important people/researchers

3. Elaborate on relevant terms - Morbidity, Mortality, Co-morbidity, Epidemiology, Pandemic, Prevalence, Incidence...etc

4. Regions- Each person will explore patterns of illness within their continent Asia- (Alicia) Some of the most frequently occurring diseases in Asia are spread by mosquitos: Japanese Encephalitis- a brain disease which, in many areas of Asia, 70% of adults have been infected with at some point Typhoid/Malaria- very common among children throughout Asia, with a high mortality rate --Acq123 (talk) 00:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Africa- (John) Im going to focus on the patterns of HIV/Aids and Malaria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaster89 (talk • contribs) 22:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Europe- (David)
 * N. America- (Nell)
 * S. America( Starr)Northern South America- Hepatitis D: it is a cause of very severe liver disease with distinct histologic features (morula cell) http://www.pnas.org/content/90/19/9016.abstract Mortality as high as 70%
 * Malaria: lower altitude rural areas and forested/jungle areas have higher risk of malaria. Non-forested coastal areas are higher risk than high altitude areas, but not as high risk as forested/jungle areas. The highest risk areas of malaria, in and around the Amazon Basin. http://south-america-travel-tips.com/health-in-south-america/malaria-in-south-america/ T.starr.green 02:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaster89 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC) Jeaster89 (talk) 22:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)T.starr.green 02:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Just to clarify...is your focus on sociology of health as a research area / academic discipline, or are you actually looking at the sociological aspects of diseases / health care, or is it something else entirely? The above plan seems to cover both, and if you do that you risk trying to cover too much material and in the process not adequately covering either topic. A similar sort of thing happened with a previous article assignment, History of the family (take a look at that talk page for details), and it's probably a good idea to address this now as opposed to after most of the work has been done. Also, what do you mean by "elaborate on relevant terms"? Most of those terms have their own articles for that purpose, so your focus should be more on how they relate to whichever topic you're writing about. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Valid points, and thanks for raising them up, Nikkimaria. It is important to understand the differences between possible focuses of the article, and decide which ones you want to cover and how. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Focus
I think that we need to read some source material about what the sociology of health and illness is before we start focusing on the region parts of the article. Expanding the other sections should be done by all of us so that our individual sections on each region are more coherent. I would suggest that you use the Google Books preview of Peter Conrad's The Sociology of Health and Illness 7th edition--Dam59 (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * David, while you explained this to me in an email, I think it will be quite useful if you - and your groupmates - explain here (and likely in the article, with references), how sociology of health and illness differs from medical sociology. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:03, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sociology of Health and Illness is different from Medical Sociology since the former attempts to explain how different cultures respond to disease. Sociology of Illness (or Health and Illness) should be a unique article since the Medical Sociology article should study the effects of medical institutions on health.Our proposed article would bring in aspects that are outside the medical field.  How do different cultures deal with illness?  Are there differences in prognosis between culture groups?  Our article will be able to investigate places where no medical institutions exist but still examine how the people deal with illness.--Dam59 (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

alcoholism in Russia
I found this really cool map that shows alcohol consumption in the world. I have read an article dealing with health in Russia under threat of increased alcohol related deaths. Some should look for articles on alcohol use and health in other regions so we can use this cool picture for the wikipedia commons. Image:Alcohol by country.svg --Dam59 (talk) 15:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd expect that alcohol related problems would be useful to discuss. Feel free to add that map to the relevant section, but try to not overstress the issue to much - it is, after all, only one of many issues that sociology of h and i looks at. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Just as a clarification david, you're going to handle russia correct? Including it in Europe so I don't need to put it in Asia? Also i'm volunteering to do Australia and Oceania since a lot of the studies and whatnot intermingle Asian countries and Australia/Oceania. --Acq123 (talk) 20:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I will do Russia. I was hoping some others would add a blerb about alcoholism in their sections so i can include this map that shows alcohol consumption across the globe.--Dam59 (talk) 22:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I ADDED A SECTION ABOUT ALCOHOLISM UNDER N.A SO FEEL FREE TO ADD THE ALCOHOL MAP. ALSO, CAN SOMEONE PUT MY CITATIONS IN THE REFERENCE SECTION. I CANNOT SEEM TO FIGURE IT OUT --NellRoss4 (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * No need to shout :) If you have a problem with references, go to Tutorial (Citing sources). It explains how you can create footnotes. More information is at Footnotes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Early draft review
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draft review
I think we should divide the corrections/critiques that Pitor gave us on our draft so that we can fix them by the 16th.

-Starr —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs) 01:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Help!
I was finding more reliable sources for my section and on the reference appears 3 times on the reference list....how do I fix it?

-Starr —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs) 02:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are asking what I think you are, the answer is here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 02:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge?
I was unaware this page existed as well as medical sociology. It is quite a good article, superior to the other one, which remains quite minimal. Although there is some slight difference between the two fields, they are very similar, almost synonymous. Would it not allow for a more consistent project if medical sociology were added as a subcategory to this page, or vice versa? --Tomsega (talk) 11:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a few sections above this the consensus was that the two topics were different enough to merit separate articles. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think they should stay separate, there should be an explanation above as well as in this article why they have different focus (briefly and simply: medical sociology is about the study of medical professionals, while sociology of h and i is about the study of sick people). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

hey
im going to cite my section and finish it up tonight after work...lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaster89 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Confused
okay i cited my source and it is saying that my section is still not sited...i dnt understand (Jeaster89 (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC))

its probably because Pitor put that their to remind you to cite so maybe he would have to remove that. T.starr.green 04:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)
 * Anyone is free to remove the notice -- Coasttocoast (talk) 06:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Feel free to remove it once every sentence is referenced with a reliable source. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

General comments

 * The history section discusses the history of medicine, and doesn't really relate to the development of the idea that you can apply sociology to medicine. Who first used the term? Which sociologists have contributed to the field? When were the major ideas in the field first proposed? This section fails to tell the reader anything about the history of this area of sociology.
 * The "International perspective" section fails to develop common themes and use the case studies presented to develop these themes. You need to have a few paragraphs on the same topics in each section, each discussing one sociological theory or effect - for example you could discuss the importance of poverty in each region you mention, or the effect of religion, the effect of traditional medicine versus professional medicine. Presently this reads like a jumble of facts with no underlying themes and little interpretation. A case in point is the section on AIDS in Asia and Africa. The section on Aisa discusses the effects of culture on the spread of HIV, whilst the section on Africa discusses the effects of the disease and seems to entirely ignore culture, only briefly touching on poverty as a cause of disease. Is this supposed to indicate that African cultures are unrelated to the spread of HIV? Or that poverty is not a problem in Asia? The two sections talk past each other and do not contrast and compare the examples in order to illuminate similarities and differences. Tim Vickers (talk) 00:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Roughly, I agree with Tim. Here are few more remarks:
 * Regarding the history section, I agree with Tim; also the "Patient-Practitioner Relationship" and "Role of health professions" section s are rather irrelevant there. Remember: this is about sociology of health and illness, not medical sociology. The section should describe 1) historical evolution of society's attitudes to health and illness and 2) the history of the sociology of health and illness.
 * The "International perspective" has improved in its structure, but as Tim notes above, it shows a lack of common approach, likely a result of the lack of collaboration and standardization between different group members. It is a good start, but now you need to unify the content of individuals sections. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I strongly agree with you both. The whole article still needs a lot of work particularly regarding collaboration. Piotr, I know that the GA nomination is due today, but seeing as we need to rework the sections, what should we do? Nominate it anyways? --Acq123 (talk) 02:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Nominate it; the reviewer, User:Nikkimaria, is experienced with our assignment and I am sure she will give you much advice. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything said. We definitely need to discuss how social change has historically impacted health and illness. Making the international section flow from region to region should also be addressed; Socio-economic status is a term applicable to all regions. Maybe someone can add how illnesses or risk factors in specific areas correlate with the majority SES of that region. Every regional section would need to first describe the average SES (% lower, middle, upper class, % ethnic groups, etc...). Then you would need to find illnesses that correlate with SES and explain how/why. A larger introduction and a more thorough historical analysis is necessary. I think we should turn the article in as is, and after it is reviewed we should then reconstruct/edit it. If we redo all of it now, it will be less cohesive then it is. --NellRoss4 (talk) 02:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can fix anything now, please do so. The more you fix before the formal review, the better. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion
Maybe we should each just give short summary of our individual sections so that we can expand our lead (intro). T.starr.green 02:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

alot
i feel like we have alot to change that is going to take a substantial amount of time and we only have about an hr and a half to finish....i understand how the international sections need to collaborate but i think for now until we get the edits we should just focus on the thing that we have time for. (Jeaster89 (talk) 03:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC))
 * If you cannot fix everything today, that's fine. What matters from now on is that you address the review comments in a prompt fashion in the coming days. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

ok good. I added some information to the historical background, but I just found an abundance of info and was unable to look through it all and add it. Im glad we still have time. T.starr.green 04:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

we can still continue to edit once we have nominated it correct? and starr, do you have references for the historical info you added? --Acq123 (talk) 04:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

yes. and yes i just cited it. but, I'm still doing something wrong with the multiple references :-( T.starr.green 05:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's what you'll want to do for multiple references: the first time a certain ref appears, format it the way you've been doing - (for example). The next time the same ref is used, all you have to write is - that will get you the proper multiple reference format. However, if you're going to be referencing different pages in a book, you can't do it that way - you'll have to either cite each page individually or add a separate section for large reference works (like books) that are cited many times. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, you'll want to go through and make sure your references are placed after the punctuation - for example, "The sun is hot.[1]" instead of "The sun is hot [1]." Nikkimaria (talk) 05:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Using templates and makes it much easier
Hello all, impeccable work on the article so far, Kudos all round.

I would however give a few pointers on how to correctly CITE and how to use and this;, then whenever you want to ref page three you simply put in  and to ref page 21 use

Then we need to split the references section at the bottom in two: ==Notes== and ==References== in ==Notes== we'll stick the reflist template, and since it is a particularly large amount of references will split it into 4 columns by writing it like this: this will automatically list all the 's throughout the article and sort them into 4 even columns for us.

Under the ==References== We'll list each of the books like this:. That way when people see "Hopkins 2003, Page 3" listed under ==Notes== they'll know to look for it under ==References== for Hopkins name.

If you've done it all properly it should look like below.

Copyright problems
The South American section needs to be properly rewritten to address issues raised (WP:COPYVIO). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The African section also has problems: lots of sentences are taken directly from here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And North American section has problems with content from the source as well. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC

Hey i fixed the African section. I dont know where the sources went or content....? (Jeaster89 (talk) 01:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC))
 * I am not sure why you have removed about half of the article content . You should be rewriting your section on Africa. Can you explain how your last edit is fixing the problem - you have changed a lot of content all over the article? It seems to me you've restored one of the old versions of the article (including the problematic South American section). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 02:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

This article isn't a joke, so don't treat it like one.
What the hell is going on with this article?! This should be treated like any other academic paper that you would write and that means you cannot simply use Plagiarism to finish your section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dam59 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we purposely plagarized parts of this article. If we cited a source directly...we thought we were allowed as long as the part has a reference and is cited. (Jeaster89 (talk) 19:01, 26 November 2009 (UTC))
 * Copying and pasting text from a source, and then attributing it, is still a form of plagiarism. See our online syllabus, section on plagiarism which contains further explanations and resources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Whatever the case may be...I fixed my section and piotr said my edits were good..(Jeaster89 (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC))
 * I said they are a good start, there is still a lot of content to be rewritten. One of many sentences that are taken exactly from the source in the African section, still present in the article: "The impact that AIDS has had on average life expectancy is partly attributed to child mortality, as increasing numbers of babies are born with HIV infections acquired from their mothers" (source). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:41, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I am addressing the issues with my section. T.starr.green 02:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)
 * At this point South America is not a copyvio anymore, but it needs to be expanded. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not trying to sound like an asshole but I am just concerned about our grade and am sure we can all fix this. I think it is going to be really hard to get GA status.--Dam59 (talk) 14:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that Africa still needs a revamp. MLauba (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed; the GA review cannot go forward till the problems with Africa and South America are resolved. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:33, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Africa section will be finished by tonight..now that i have read what piotr sent me, i understand what can and cant be done. (Jeaster89 (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC))

I just need to add things in my portion connecting it to sociology.....otherwise the content explaining the diseases I was looking at is there.T.starr.green 05:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Group. Our meeting went well today, but I wanted to give Piotr and our GA reviewers an idea of where we are headed. Dan will be updating the History section. This will be a chronological analysis of social change in relation to health and illness. He will also incorporate the sections on Imhotep and that other section, I forget the name, into the historical analyses. The professionalization/profession section should come next. Starr's section on Methodology is below this. This will explain how we will plan to address the topic we presented in the introduction. Jon is adding pictures that relate to our article. Maps and tables of regional disease is the image theme that is working for us so far. Alicia is adding information to the introduction to make it a formal thesis of what our topic plans to address. I am editing each section, formatting to the wiki style and editing for grammar, sentence structure, and narrative voice. Lastly, each group member is reorganizing and editing their regional section to flow in unison: First, the most prevalent diseases are explained in detail, including the relationship between HIV-AIDS and their region. Second, a brief description of typical religion and tradition is related to social changes in health and illness. Third, a discussion of local economy is important. A description of the class system in relation to their medicinal practices, i.e. rich Europeans might go to a private doctor while poor Latin Americans might see a Shaman. Each section should conclude with an understanding of the regional society and why those aspects of society play a part in local health and illness patterns. All of these tasks should be redone by Tuesday at midnight. The entire article should be perfect by Friday at noon. The article must be submitted by Tuesday, the 8th. Tada!--NellRoss4 (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Have the plagiarism/close paraphrasing concerns been addressed already? If so, I can post a more detailed GA review for you to work on...Nikkimaria (talk) 00:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yess they have been adressed..and everything has been re-written from scratch (Jeaster89 (talk) 01:00, 1 December 2009 (UTC))

Guys if possible i think that whenever we have addressed something that nikkimaria pointed out in the GA review, we should comment under that bulleted point on the review page to let her know that the problem has been fixed. --Acq123 (talk) 03:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

ok will do T.starr.green 03:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

HIV maps
Do we want some of these maps?
 * Image:ChinaHIVAIDSmap.svg
 * Image:People living with HIV AIDS world map.PNG
 * Image:AIDS and HIV prevalence.svg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dam59 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think that the first and second would be good.T.starr.green 01:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

but if we don't need both. then definitely the second. T.starr.green 01:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Someone should add the world map of malaria onto our page. It is on the Malaria wiki page under Epidimiology. Those maps match the other maps we use. I would add it myself but I forgot how I did it the first time. --NellRoss4 (talk) 02:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

response to detailed review
I have addressed some of the issues reported by the reviewer that were within sections I wrote.--Dam59 (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok good. I'm still trying to work on the content of my sections, but I should be able to look at the issues of my sections by Friday before we meet Friday. Hope that is ok. T.starr.green 03:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I'm still working on the lead but will have it done early tomorrow. Also, as I'm writing it it doesn't make sense that we have a role of health professionals section since our intro says that that it part of the sociology of medicine. any objections to me deleting it? --Acq123 (talk) 05:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * no objections--Dam59 (talk) 05:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Try moving it to another article instead of just deleting it. You put some work into sections that may be off topic - no need to waste your work; there is room on Wikipedia for most good faithed contributions (and extra credit in the course for them as well). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

no objection to moving it to another article. I will finish my section tomorrow also. I'm having difficulties finding detailed info about the religion and traditions in South America, but I'm sure I'll find something tomorrow. T.starr.green 06:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Piotr- I added the Professional aspects of our article to the Medical Sociology page. Does this give me extra credit for editing another page since I originally wrote this section?--NellRoss4 (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but please include a proper reference there. Leave me a note on my talk page when you are done and I'll evaluate the section for extra credit. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 07:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Question?
I want to define effort reward imbalance and I was wondering should I use quotes or just try to reword the definition? T.starr.green 03:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Never mind I decided to just write the definition in my own words. T.starr.green 04:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Pictures
I added more pictures and added the traditional, religon, and economical aspect to my section. is there any other specific pictures you want. (Jeaster89 (talk) 04:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC))

Final Edits
Nikkimaria- Our group has responded to your editing suggestions and we were hoping you could confirm that we are ready to re-submit our article. Thanks for your help. --NellRoss4 (talk) 00:40, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Resubmission is unnecessary - if my concerns have been adequately addressed (which I will check shortly), then the article will be passed as GA. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 00:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey everyone! How should work on the things that still need fixed in the article? T.starr.green 00:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Nikkimaria- could you give more specific examples on your review so we can know what we specifically need to change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs) 00:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC) T.starr.green 00:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * check out the GA review and detailed review sections above.--Dam59 (talk) 14:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC

Hi Group! I am not sure if we are meeting this week, so I wanted to try and communicate our plan via wikitalk. Here is what we need to accomplish;

1. GET RID OF vague words like "all, some, also, furthermore" or words that sound biased, phrases like "has been", personal pronouns like "we", and our argument regarding Medical Sociology's difference to our article.

2. EDIT CONTENT FOR jargon and verbosity, flow of information esp. from section to section, and transitions to make more sense to our audience. Also, refocus regional section to match proposal stated under Methodology. Tone should sound encyclopedic and not conversational. Also, accuracy of information should be updated to current times and paragraphs should be 4-6 sentences.

3. CORRECT CITATIONS BY placing them directly after punctuations without space, cite Africa section, add page numbers and ISBNs for books, do not use tertiary sources, esp. E-Notes, web citations need access dates, Imhotep needs a citation, and referencing in general needs to be consistent in format. --NellRoss4 (talk) 19:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Nikkimaria: I've addressed editing/biased phrasing in the methodology and South America sections. I have also added page numbers and ISBNs to my book sources. I just have to add a brief part about religion in South America. Does it look ok? T.starr.green 06:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * South America still needs some serious grammar and style checking. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Group: Is there any specific tasks you want me to do? T.starr.green 06:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Oh yeah.....I have been using MLA format for my references. What is everyone else using? T.starr.green 06:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Note to students: Even if you think your individual section(s) is perfect, a) that doesn't mean it is, and b) that's not good enough to get the article passed if other sections still have problems. You should pitch in to help resolve problems in other sections; your grade depends (I believe) on your contribution to the article as a whole. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed; it is after all a collaborative assignment. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:28, 8 December 2009.

Well I think we all thought that before we moved on to another group members section that we should address the problems in our specific section first. That's the wrong idea?T.starr.green 03:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I added my citations to the certain paragraphs in "Africa" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaster89 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

If we do not have to resubmit our article for GA status because it will increase levels with the improvement of the article, then why are we still at start-class. This article does not feel like start class so there definitely is a lack of motivation to make the article better if it is not considered better.--NellRoss4 (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Anybody can assess articles, with the exception of FA-class, and if very few instances, A- and B-classes. See WP:ASSESSMENT for details. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 03:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Piotr- Are you saying that our article is A or B class? T.starr.green 07:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Sociology of health or medical sociology
I am knowledgeable on sociology in general but totally uninformed with respect to these areas... is there really a justified distinction between the sociology of health and medical sociology? Could these pages be merged, for the benefit of having one unified strong article, and 'medical sociology' perhaps included as a subheading?--Tomsega (talk) 23:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * David explained the difference in an above post, so ill paste it here. Hopefully this helps "Sociology of Health and Illness is different from Medical Sociology since the former attempts to explain how different cultures respond to disease. Sociology of Illness (or Health and Illness) should be a unique article since the Medical Sociology article should study the effects of medical institutions on health.Our proposed article would bring in aspects that are outside the medical field. How do different cultures deal with illness? Are there differences in prognosis between culture groups? Our article will be able to investigate places where no medical institutions exist but still examine how the people deal with illness"

T.starr.green 20:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, that seems reasonable, thank you.
 * It's interesting how this article is an absolute flurry of activity, when we can't even get a GA reviewer for the main sociology article!! (hint hint, anybody) --Tomsega (talk) 00:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Btw, somebody with a good knowledge of the difference between sociology of health and medical sociology should probably sort out the medical sociology article itself.. I'm not sure it acknowledges these differences appropriately..--Tomsega (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE
Hey everyone!

I just wanted to tell you that we have until about Monday to make any last minute changes to the article. Also, I believe we can do any extra credit blogs until that time also.

Hope everyone has a good finals week and a good break.

T.starr.green 20:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by T.starr.green (talk • contribs)

Blahhh I have mono and am in my death bed. Sorry for my lack of effort during these last few days, but I am too sick to think. --NellRoss4 (talk) 08:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

corrections
There were alot of stuff i tried to fix and left a comment but the red x is up and im not sure if you looked at them or not. (Jeaster89 (talk) 21:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC))

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