Talk:Sodium-ion battery

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Showed picture of an sodium-ion battery stack isn't an sodium ion battery but a salt water battery of Green Rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Limbo (talk • contribs) 10:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

There is no common Feature! Divergent 2015 (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

There are various types of Lithium ion batteries with different safety characteristics
The table should contain the difference between Lithium iron phosphate and Lithium cobalt at least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8071:2C84:3AA0:D1A9:F8DB:DBAE:9C7D (talk) 08:47, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Google shows wrong stats for sodium batteries
Google shows the stats for the lead-acid battery. My recommendation is that we move sodium ion batteries so it’s first in the comparison between batteries, which would then show the real stats and avoid a negative bias. SecretLars (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite of the Advantages and Disadvantages section.
I've completely reworked the table that compares sodium-ion, lithium-ion, and lead-acid batteries. I've provided better sources and more accurate values and contextual notes. It remains difficult to compare a product that is barely commercialized (sodium-ion) to products that have a history of commercial production. Choosing lab results would be misleading in this table, because lab results are not realizable in commercial production. Perhaps someone would want to add another column providing lab/theoretical values for sodium ion, but then there should also be a matching column for lab/theoretical lithium ion results.

Additionally, I removed the "specific power" row, because those cannot be compared without a equivalent statement of duration of discharge, and I could not find this value for sodium ion.

I also removed some paragraphs that followed. I think that the new table adequately addresses those considerations, or they were also covered in other parts of the article. Leotohill (talk) 00:07, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion to blank-and-redirect Salt Water Battery article to here
The page Salt water battery is low quality and appears to be mostly an advertisement for a single now-bankrupt-but-since-resold company. Three comments on the talk page from 2017 propose that it should be deleted. I'm not very familiar with policy (or with the finer points of battery type nomenclature!), so thought I would raise it here in the hopes that someone more experienced could choose the right path. I propose that the page be blanked and redirected here, and if anyone finds anything useful in the page (I could not) it could be merged into this page. AshleyGittins (talk) 14:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Well, I can't say much about Salt water battery, except that it should not link here. Sodium ion batteries are aprotic, which is the fancy name for not using water, or other liquids that have hydronium ions. There are mostly related to lithium ion batteries. Gah4 (talk) 14:31, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything wrong with having a separate article for Salt water battery, the lead defines the topic well. Perhaps it would be better to change the title to Aqeous electrolyte, or Water‐in‐Salt Electrolyte, the latter being more commonly used in scientific literature. The issue with advertising content isn't related to the notability. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 15:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything wrong with having a separate article for Salt water battery, the lead defines the topic well. Perhaps it would be better to change the title to Aqeous electrolyte, or Water‐in‐Salt Electrolyte, the latter being more commonly used in scientific literature. The issue with advertising content isn't related to the notability. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 15:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, as a matter of fact saltwater contains mostly sodium ions. Any sodium chloride on this planet was seawater sometime in history. Thus, I support the suggestion. As I am not so much into this issue, I suggest someone checks if any goodies from there need to be included in this article. Aruck (talk) 18:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Commercialisation section
I've removed the list of companies from the commercialisation section, as the content was based on primary sources such as patents (and was overtly promotional). Done properly, this section would be based on secondary sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:37, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , you've reverted my removal, commenting on the neutrality of the material, but as you can see here, the primary concern is that it's original research. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:47, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the edits made by Pieceofmetalwork mollify your concerns?  Anyway, in my opinion, in the context of this list of companies, it's acceptable to repeat the company's claims, using their web site as a source. Perhaps the statements should be phrased as "Company x claims y" .  Leotohill (talk) 19:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Somewhat, but there's still an over-reliance on primary sources. Even ones that initially look secondary such as this journal article turn out to be written by employees of the companies concerned. What would really help would be if someone could find a review article setting out who the main players are. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Is the large-scale application of sodium-ion batteries a long way to go? (qq.com) 2023-08-09 24.73.13.115 (talk) 23:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

BYD Seagull is available now.
"Electric vehicles using sodium-ion battery packs are not yet commercially available."

BYD Seagull: "Following its world premiere at Auto Shanghai in the second half of April 2023, BYD has planned to begin sales of the Seagull immediately after its debut, starting in China. ... Top speed: 130 km/h (81 mph)." From the battery section: "Battery: 30.08 kWh lithium iron phosphate / sodium-ion. 38.88 kWh lithium iron phosphate BYD Blade"

--Timeshifter (talk) 03:30, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * https://carnewschina.com/2023/07/03/byd-seagull-sales-in-june-2023 - "BYD sold 23,005 units of the Seagull in June, marking a 60% increase compared to May 2023. BYD sold 128,196 pure electric vehicles in June. Notably, the Seagull accounted for approximately 18% of BYD’s total electric vehicle sales, an increase from the 12% share it held in May. ... The BYD Seagull offers customers three different options, each varying in price. The price range for these options spans from 73,800 to 89,800 yuan (10,200 to 12,400 USD)."

QQ.com article reviewing the latest research progress on Sodium-ion batteries
[https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzUzOTUzMDYxNw==&mid=2247727487&idx=1&sn=71d830ad96e7fdcb40d6d32dabe3fba6&chksm=faca3d69cdbdb47fbd870eee9646eb300fa93383662bf9c35bd4d2e4b960737583b2e90c011b&scene=27 Is the large-scale application of sodium-ion batteries a long way to go? (qq.com)] 2023-08-09

Found via a Baidu search for "sodium ion battery", showing mentions in the last year. 24.73.13.115 (talk) 05:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Cost of sodium
Cost of sodium 2409:40F0:D7:70F0:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2024 (UTC)