Talk:Sofia Coppola/Archive 1

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Ad More Information
Information should be added for Lick The Star as well as the whole article beeing expanded somewhat --Jimmyjrg 10:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

The cinematographer / DOP for Lost in Translation was NOT Roman Coppola -- it was Lance Acord. --User:rikki_rockett

Irish/English
Although I'm sure her mother isn't Italian, does anyone have a source for her mother's specific ancestry? I couldn't find it online. JackO&#39;Lantern 19:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Eleanor Coppola? no she isn't Italian -- - K a s h  Talk 22:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Lost in Translation

 * Commentary like this belongs in places like Aint It Cool or Perez Hilton, not an encyclopedia. Some people liked this film quite a bit and had an equally strong reaction.  Just because you found the film boring doesn't make it a fact that it is boring, nor would the contrary.  Entertainment endeavors are subject to opinion.  If wikipedia is opened up to debating whether a movie was "good" or not, or whether she should "pay for her adultery", it will simply become the Usenet 2.0 it's critics claim it to be. 216.39.146.25 22:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I also think this is a one-sided POV section.  There should be arguments on both sides, since she has received acclaim, and the criticism doesn't seem to be based on anything substantive.  The point about the cinematography on Lost in Translation is suspect:  the credited cinematographer is Lance Acord.  Roman Coppola worked on a 2nd unit, according to the credits. Slowmover 20:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. Please sign your posts. Slowmover 20:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reverted this talk page so that the relatively old discussion is back in place. There isn't any reason to remove it, and since it's an IP edit who knows who made the initial remarks. Stack 01:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you see the tag at the top of this page regarding removing libelous information? This isn't a movie review site, it's not a celebrity gossip site, and the discussion has nothing to do with encyclopedic information on Sofia Coppola.  It is reasonable to remove discussion about the movie being boring, the subject being an adulterer who will suffer painfully in their life, et cetera216.39.146.25 21:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I see that tag. However, this is the talk page for the article, and not the article itself.  Stack 19:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia talk pages are not internet message boards, and should be used to discuss the article, not gossip.

Sofia's Godfather performances
I agree her performance in The Godfather III is close to wretched, but she deserves praise for how perfect her performances where in The Godfather and also The Godfather II. Dirk Diggler Jnr 17:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh I disagree. She didn't give the best performance ever in The Godfather Part III, but I think she portrayed a teenage girl pretty well. She stumbled, she messed up a little bit, her intonations, her pitch, and the way she said things were messed up, just like people in real life. People in real life aren't perfect, and Sofia knew to project that, or at least i'm assuming. Now some of it was youthful flubs, and in all reality she probably shouldn't have been the one to act that part, but she was, and I think that all things considered, she did just fine. Not great, not spectacular, but that's ok... she did what she could with what she had and what she knew at the time, and that's OK with me.

LLBBooks 12:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with the above - she fit the part very well, like a gawky teenager, unsure of her place in a powerful family. I've just watched the film again, with her father's commentary, and he makes it clear that he saw parallels between the Corleones and his own family, and Sofia was the way he originally envisioned Mary Corleone to be. He also describes the ending as "every father's nightmare" - which could not have been easy for him to direct in the first place, never mind comment on years later! Stereoroid 23:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

no picture?
Why was the image removed? --Jimmyjrg 10:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Because it's been deleted.
 * Peter Isotalo 22:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, does anyone know were a new image could be found? I tried cc's search through flickr but they all seem to be magazine scans that would need to be edited. --Jimmyjrg 00:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have located what I believe to be a suitable image, but I will be consulting with someone as to the legitimacy of pulling an image from a news site. Stack 17:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

New York Stories
Something needs to be added about her role in the film New York Stories, as actress and co-writer.

Johannes.klabbers 13:30, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Why height?
Why is Sofia Coppola's height an appropriate subject for this article? George Lucas is remarkably short, and yet it says nothing about his physical stature in the heading for his entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.175.33.40 (talk) 03:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

Going to remove the height
In the absence of any further comment from anybody, I'm going to remove the height line from the header. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.198.201.234 (talk) 07:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
 * This is an article about Sofia Coppola, not solely her career. I recommend putting the height back, as it is not detrimental to the article's content.  In the future, if you're looking for comments on an action, please wait at least a day, rather than only five minutes.  I will wait at least until tomorrow for a response, at which point I will revert your change. Stack 19:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why is a director's height germane to her role as a film director? Perhaps we should also include her measurements?  Hitchcock was known for his weight, perhaps we should include it in his entry?  Why isn't there any mention of height for any male film director anywhere on Wikipedia?  These questions aren't rhetorical, before you make any further action, please respond to each.


 * It appears that the woman's height is included here because there exists a double standard between men and women, where it's considered appropriate to air the physical attributes of a woman when discussing her career, but unimportant where men are concerned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.116.237.201 (talk) 21:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC).


 * First, I would ask that you create an account so that you can more consistently respond to comments, in addition to giving your comments more credence. Second, I question your thesis that there exists a double standard here, with my evidence being that we list height figures for such males as David Beckham and George Clooney.  While you state the questions in your first paragraph are not rhetorical, I don't see any merit in them (they sound like false analogies to me); I will, however, note that we do, in fact, note Alfred Hitchcock's weight problems in his article.  But...neither Beckham nor Clooney are directors, so to counter your point that we don't mention the height of any male director I point you not only to Alfred Hitchcock again, but also to the one and only Francis Ford Coppola, Sofia's father.  You can also look at Steven Spielberg's height if you wish.


 * Wikipedia is a source of facts. If you know that something on Wikipedia is not factually correct, then correct it.  However, if you wish to point out that you believe a topic is being addressed in an unsuitable manner, please do so on the talk page before making unilateral changes.  I am now replacing Sofia Coppola's height in the appropriate location on the page, and I would be happy to discuss this further. Stack 23:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I did wait 15 days before making an edit. You said nothing in that time.  Now that you've added height to the header of two male directors, add it to the rest of them.  Lucas in particular. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.159.141 (talk) 20:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Check the histories on those articles. If I recall correctly, I've never made a single edit to them.  Please refrain from reverting this edit without discussion. Stack 04:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The new awards succession box
While entertaining, I'm not quite sure the new awards succession box is adding anything to this article. Any other thoughts? Stack 21:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Domino
I recently watched the episode of Faerie Tale Theatre where young Sofia appeared, but she was credited on-screen as Domino Coppola. Anyone knows why? -- Annie D 02:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

She stated in past interviews that Domino was a stage name she chose because she thought it was glamorous at the time. See quotes at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001068/bio

Recent Vandalism
Please watch for factual errors that have been appearing in the last week. If it continues, those individuals need to be warned, if not blocked. Thank You. 70.113.15.64 01:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone messed with the awards box. It now shows both awards as oscar for screenplay. 212.179.2.129 08:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Oscar for Best Costume Design
The award is not technically Sofias. I'm adding it to Milena Canonero's page. 70.113.24.254 16:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Photo of Coppola
Would this be a valid image of Sofia Coppola?

[www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/sofia-coppola-teen-vogue-young-hollywood-party-1Do1VI.jpg]

--216.229.227.141 (talk) 00:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No. See WP:COPYRIGHT ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

oh my mistake! Sorry!

--216.229.227.141 (talk) 00:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nepotism
The section on nepostism should stay. If she returns over 1400 results on google on nepostism it is relevant. It is also relevant because if ANYONE with any sense looks at her career rationally, they would agree that without nepotism, she would probably have never made or appeared in one single film. The removal of the section has been undone.--WaxonWaxov (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why people feel like they need to keep removing this section. As I pointed out above, it is obviously relevant. Try this: walk up to anyone who has seen more than fifty movies in the past 10 years and say "what is the worst example of Hollywood nepotism?" I bet fifty bucks the #1 answer in such a poll would be Sofia Collola.--WaxonWaxov (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There are several problems with the Nepotism section. First, it doesn't deserve its own section. Allegations of nepotism could be mentioned in the intro paragraph, discussed in the acting section, or combined with other criticisms into a "Criticisms" section. Second, it's in the wrong place. Even if it was merged into a "Criticisms" section, that section should still come at the end of the career section. And while I understand that you mentioned the google hits to try to assert relevance, that kind of statistic belongs on the talk page rather than on the article itself. And FWIW, "'Sofia Coppola' shampoo" gets 10x as many hits. I'm going to remove the section and add a sentence to the acting section. --Garrepi (talk) 03:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You obviously care more about down-playing the role of nepotism in her entire existence than I care about up-playing it, so I will conceed the point.--WaxonWaxov (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

listen to me sopia please i beg you
This is for you Sophia, you are so talented and have great vision of what many of us would like to see when we dole out out 10 dollars to be entertained at the movies. I believe you are the perfect person to execute this suggestion!!! First let me say I liked Marie Antoinette, but you missed the mark by casting a boyish actress in the part and taming the sexual content of the piece. It seems the pg-13 rating is all we can expect from our romance movies these days. I know you can do better. I am sick and tired of Hollywood ruining every single epic historical romance movie with the snaggle -toothed, flat- chested, Kiera Knightly! No one wants to look at her, or believe that a gorgeous hunk of a man would find her the least bit appealing!!! Think about it... for those of us who pour into a romance novel at the rate of 3 a week, and the romance novel industry charging us $7.95 a pop, we are craving to delve into a story line where the man is masculine perfection and the female is all we could never be! To be disappointed time and again, with these feminine males and masculine females is a shame!The romance novel market is a billion dollar industry. I have read that more than half of all the paperbacks on the American book market are romance novels. And, a recent poll showed than one in five Americans regularly reads romance novels. We are so excited when a historical romance movie comes out, that feeds our passion for mind numbing romantic stimulation, only to look at the cast, and the rating and know that it will fail to deliver. My suggestion, (sorry it took so long to deliver), is a story such as my favorite The Black Lion a glorious love story about an innocent vixen, blond, busty, and alluring (no Gwenyth Paltrow ugly skinny thing) who captures the attention of a tall handsome brooding knight, and the thought of her, consumes his every thought.The sexual tension is strong and explicit. The story is as old as time, Gone with the Wind, Beauty and the Beast, Casablanca, need I go on?? The only thing we have seen in recent years even close to this ever successful storyline, was the Notebook. The classic male obsessed with female sexual tension story, and look how successful this was! Please, Please, read some of the "dime store" novels in the romance section of the bookstore, and see what billions of us are crazed for. You will have a classic under your belt if you stick to simple rules.... 1. Male must be excruciatingly handsome and masculine. He must be passionately possessed by the female... A Ralph Lauren model type! 2. Female must be beautiful beyond belief, alluring and have a figure that is definitely female, she must go all out to create sexual response in the male... A Jessica Simpson or Julianne Houghe type! 3. Follow the cues from the successful TUDORS series on showtime... and forget this ever so lacking pg13 rating!!!!! (Just cast better looking people)...The porn industry is booming and for those of us who would never rent a porn, and read and re-read our romance novels, please... give us a movie that we can watch and re-watch. Give us an (NC-17) rating romance historical film that will rival the Camelots, Gone with the Winds, and etc... You can do it!!! I know you can!!!Beggin for more (talk) 05:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

What. The. Fuck.--71.205.219.29 (talk) 05:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * How about no. Also, "what billions of us are crazed for"? You grossly overestimate your numbers. Don't expect something so explicitly flesh-oriented from S. Coppola. You should notice her films are predominantly atmosphere. Enjoy shit like Twilight and stick to it, or get a damn boyfriend. I can't believe I read all of that without vomiting, especially at the Jessica Simpson part or the mention of the porno industry. My fucking god. Am I being trolled? --Surfaced (talk) 06:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Bad rewrite/Bad writing
I checked this article a few weeks ago and checked it today. Some fool has edited it, spraying it with 'hers' and 'directress'. No doubt some idiot who equates gender equality with pronounce equality. I changed 'directress' (an offensive, gendered term) back to 'director.' Other corrections for flow need to be made as this is largely a rather badly written article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romuska (talk • contribs) 13:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Awards table
Can we please remove that from her filmography? I think it's uneccesary because if anybody's interested in knowing about the awards and nominations her films have received can look at the articles on each film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glamking (talk • contribs) 19:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

"Acting"
Why is this in quotes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.104.56 (talk) 00:32, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

- I would guess because some believe she was so bad at acting that it shouldn't be called acting. Regardless I'm going to remove the quotes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.227.74 (talk) 01:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It adds WP:UNDUE weight to the section. I've renamed it.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 16:50, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Negative tone
As of 9 June 2013, parts of this article carry a negative tone I find disturbing. The goal of Wikipedia is to inform readers about facts, not to express opinions about people or circumstances. Nothing that a Wikipedia editor might feel emotionally about the subject of an article should leak into the article's text. Propounding one's personal beliefs or feelings is simply not useful here. It is entirely beside the point. Dratman (talk) 01:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I think an exception to the rules is needed here. Keep the negative tones please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.22.230.28 (talk) 05:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Awards
Should we mention that she won the "best prostitute of California" award three years running? She blew a lot of men to win that award 219.90.246.204 (talk) 11:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

No but we should mention she one a coveted "Razzie" for her awful performance in The God Father Pt. III — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.242.174 (talk) 05:05, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Building makes a cameo?
In the July 2013 issue of Elle, photographs shot by Coppola of Paris Hilton at her Beverly Hills mansion (which makes a cameo in The Bling Ring) were featured Usually a building doesn't make a cameo. NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 11:50, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Background Information
All of the bare-bones information is here (films, who stars in them, awards won), but there is a huge lack of supplementary information about any of her work. For example, one sentence on a film notes that despite boos from the audience, the film still got a standing ovation and that critics were ultimately divided. Yet, the Wikipedia page does nothing to back up these claims or explain why this was the case or how Coppola reacted to or felt about it. Additionally, there is a lack of discussion in the article about her background, coming from a Hollywood family. This part of her life had a large impact on her work and successes and failures and is important to discuss even in an encyclopedic article on Coppola. While the page is meant to work as a source of information about Coppola and her work, these are all integral parts of telling her story and getting a well-rounded overview of her life and career. Juliacohen15 (talk) 18:36, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Bibliographic Sources
Proposed sources to help provide more information on Coppola's life, background, and the critical ways that the two have played out in her work.

1. Cook, Pam. "Portrait of a lady: Sofia Coppola." Sight and Sound 16.11 (2006): 36-40.

2. Kennedy, Todd. “Off with Hollywood's Head: Sofia Coppola as Feminine Auteur.” Film Criticism, vol. 35, no. 1, 2010, pp. 37–59. JSTOR, JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/44019394.

3. Lodge, Guy. "Sofia Coppola: 'I Never Felt I Had to Fit into the Majority View'." The Observer, Guardian News and Media, 2 July 2017, www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jul/02/sofia-coppola-beguiled-i-never-felt-i-had-to-fit-into-the-majority-view-interview.

4. Ruby, Jennie. "Women in Media." Off Our Backs, vol. 37, no. 1, 2007, pp. 14-16. JSTOR, JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/20838762.

5. Shostak, Debra. "'Impossible Narrative Voices': Sofia Coppola's Adaptation of Jeffrey Eugenides's The Virgin Suicides." Interdisciplinary Literary Studies, vol. 15, no. 2, 2013, pp. 180-202. JSTOR, JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/intelitestud.15.2.0180.

Juliacohen15 (talk) 18:42, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Carmen Cee Peer Review:

This is a good overview of what you will be discussing in your article. You use a variety of credible sources like JSTOR and The Guardian. I am a little confused however what you will be contributing to her Wikipedia Page. Are you contributing her feelings after she was booed, that one instance in addition to coming from a Hollywood background? The two don't seem to connect unless you are talking about her successes and failures in general/and this was just an example. Overall, you're off to a good start with the sources that you have.

Carmencee (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

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Kirsten Dunst
In the Marie Antoinette section, it says Sofia Coppola first collaborated with Dunst in 2006, when it was in fact in 1999 for The Virgin Suicides. 2A01:CB11:5B6:5C00:CB42:EB9B:84C4:C656 (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Style and influences
Coppola arrived at a career in filmmaking with a background in acting, modeling, and design, all of which have influenced her directorial work. Her background in fashion, especially, has played a large part in the aesthetic tones of her films and has heightened the roles of design and style in her work. Her upbringing in a Hollywood family has also greatly influenced her work, as well as her public reception and image, and she has always had to fight accusations surrounding her background of privilege. After both winning an Oscar for Lost in Translation and showing The Beguiled, Coppola was accused by some critics of displaying the social and cultural privileges of her own childhood.

Coppola has described some of her influences as coming from her own work, with each film actively influencing the next. She points to Jeffrey Eugenides's book The Virgin Suicides, which was the inspiration for her first film of the same name, as the reason for her career in film.

Coppola has had to deal with sexism in the industry, and her quintessentially feminine work has been dismissed as decorative and insubstantial. Coppola has said that she is proud of the more "girly" aspects of her work and that she feels that she has a feminine point of view that she is happy to project. She has cited her upbringing around so many strong men as a possible reason for her strong connection to femininity. She has been open about her experiences with sexism in the industry and has cited them as a reason she favors working in the independent realm. Coppola has also said that big budget productions hinder her creative freedom, and so she prefers to work on films she can control. She has also criticized big studio production for its focus on business rather than art.

Coppola has cited her own perceptions of gaps in the film industry as her own inspiration, explaining that she has always made the films that she herself would have wanted to see as a younger person. She has described this younger demographic of girls as deprived of high-quality videography and as disrespected as an audience. She has also said that she likes making films for a young audience because she perceives them as smarter and more sophisticated than they are often given credit for.

Zoetrope, Francis Ford Coppola's production company, has backed all of her films. Her family ties have proven to hold both pros and cons, which she has articulated. Though she learned from her father and is proud of her family, she has said she is happy to have carved her own way. Coppola has also said that she is aware of her hard work and is grateful for her film education and that her connections in the film industry were helpful because of the lack of female directors. She said that she did what she could and is confident that her work is her own. After Francis Ford Coppola did not assist her in securing the rights to the Jeffrey Eugenides novel The Virgin Suicides, which her 1999 film was based on, much of the criticism surrounding her familial benefits subsided. Coppola usually involves her father in her projects. She has said that she likes being independent but respects him and his suggestions, though in the end always makes the choice she feels is right for a given movie. Coppola professed a love for being behind the camera and is not upset by the divisive reactions to some of her films. She has said that she "would rather do something that some people really connect to and some people reject" and that she never wants to make something that is just mediocre.

Reviews of Coppola's works often included "implied, gendered language" which undermine the body of the critics' arguments, as argued by Todd Kennedy in his article for Film Criticism titled "Off with Hollywood's Head: Sofia Coppola as Feminine Auteur". Kennedy cites multiple reviews of Coppola's work which rely upon allegations of her work as "sugarcoated" and flippant; "[the] implication is that Coppola 1) as a woman, only has the ability to make films because of her economic privilege, 2) only has whatever talent she does possess because of her all-powerful director/father, and 3) because her movies are feminine, can only produce pretty films that 'lack depth'".

Her style of films is described as "slow-moving portraits with bittersweet emotional palettes". Coppola likes to use visuals to convey what the characters are feeling at any given moment. Coppola's films often deal with melancholy stories with a dreamy aesthetic. Her films' aesthetics are influenced by her background in fashion with floral motifs and female beauty at the forefront of the films' set design and mise-en-scene. Coppola's films' focus on protagonists in life transitions and crises in their lives. Her characters feel stranded in their environments and alone even in the midst of other people. Visually portraying the experiences of these characters is one of Coppola's specialties.

Coppola's films often deal with themes of loneliness, wealth, privilege, isolation, youth, femininity, and adolescence in America. Her works utilize the "feminine gaze" and demonstrate a knowledge of feminist film theory, such as Laura Mulvey's "Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema".


 * Nearly all of the sources come in this section come from interviews. The sections suffers as a result, reading more like a huge summary of all of her interviews instead of a general look on her style and influences as a director. The part of the section actually concerning her style contains short, awkward sentences that needed to be rewritten. Way too much of this section mentions her nepotism beginnings instead of her bodies of work. Sofia Coppola is an accomplished director with a verifiable style, a style that is not highlighted well in this section. I think it would be best if we were to instead put these observations made by her into her Career section, if they are not already there.

Ewelie (talk) 00:46, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Link leading nowhere
Hi, I'm not sure where to classify this but this section:

"(for example, she appeared as Saché, one of Queen Padmé Amidala's five handmaidens, in George Lucas' 1999 film Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace)."

has the link Sache lead to "List of Star Wars characters", however Sache is not listed as a character on that page. Is that an issue for this article, or should I also bring up this topic on the List of Star Wars characters page?

Thanks :) &#45;Lis (talk) 20:33, 23 February 2024 (UTC)