Talk:Sola Aoi/Archive 1

March 2006
Changed Natural Bust from disputed to Yes. If anyone disagrees please provide references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.213.138.52 (talk) 14:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Natural Bust/Disputed
Hi. I changed it back to "Disputed". This article should serve as a reference:

http://www.asian-sirens.com/blog/comments.php?id=168_0_1_0_C

As you can see, there's a bit of a heated discussion about this. (Warning, adult content, in case I really need to point it out.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.233.131.60 (talk) 16:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Besides, you guys should stop dreaming that those are her real boobs. LOL. No Japanese girl has tits like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuclear armed (talk • contribs) 21:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I bet you don't look hard enough. Take a look at Yoko Matsugane. --Snkcube 01:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, right. My wife went to college with a Japanese exchange student who was very large breasted. Bigger than Yoko Matsugane's or Sora Aoi's. My personal belief is it's a result of a more "western" diet (milk, cheese, fatty foods, all that....not that I'm complaining! 206.156.242.36 16:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Lol. Neither Sora nor Yoko have natural breasts... in your dreams perhaps! Admittedly they look a lot better (more natural) than most western implants, but that is because of the different technique used there. Sub-glandular vs. sub-pectorial, see Breast Implant. The benefit of the Sub-glandular approach is a much more natural shape, and using silicone gives a much more natural feel and movement. The drawback is that you will need to wear a bra much more. aLii 09:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * What a bunch of stereotypical rubbish. So all Japanese women (implying all oriental women) are flat chested and that if anyone of them looks to have breasts larger than a A-cup then it must be the result of surgical manipulation. Meanwhile all western ladies are so large breasted that none of them have felt needed to resort to having large amounts of silicon stuffed into their chests. The point is that women come in different shapes and sizes no matter what ethnicity they are and unless there is clear proof, not unsubstantiated speculation, that someone has been surgically modified, then people should accept what they see and appreciate the beauty that is Sora (and Yoko). I certainly will.--172.143.141.69 01:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Isn't the argument going off topic from what the original argument was. I noticed noone has a rebuttal of an kind for Dr.Lee's well presented article (on the link above). Shouldn't a consensus be reached (or whatever you do here at Wiki ?) and make a decision as to whether her chest status should indeed be 'contested' - which only seems fair as it IS contested, or leave as is; 'natural' - which they don't appear to be at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.47.66.50 (talk) 11:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that, if there isn't any concrete evidence about the "status" of her boobs, then it shouldn't say anything about it in the article. And if her boob's are fake, so what? Are you saying if you came home and found her lying naked in your bed, legs spread apart, you wouldn't do her?--221.112.143.122 (talk) 09:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Na i'm not saying THAT :-) If it shouldn't say anything about her breasts in the article, then it should also not state that she is famed for "her large, natural breasts" as it does in the opening paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.25.181.142 (talk) 13:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Sola Aoi is her actual 'name'
Searching for Sola Aoi shouldn't redirect to Sora Aoi, it should be the other way round. Her official website is http://www.aoisola.net, she has a movie called Solagraph AND she is releasing a single under the name 'So-La'. I also have some printed material that all have her named as Sola not Sora.

I don't know how to change this but it should be sorted because the debate over her name has gone on for ages — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.125.171 (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It's virtually the same damn thing. The 'r' and the 'l' in Japanese are interchangeable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuclear armed (talk • contribs) 21:111, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah but Wikipedia is English and therefore it should be L not R (poster of the 'Sola Aoi is her actual name' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.121.190 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We go with the most well-known name and that's definitely Sora. --Golbez 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

July 2006
What punk albums did she sing on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuclear armed (talk • contribs) 06:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

New Image Needed
I think a new image is needed, this one is quite dated now. She has different colour hair and she's naturally aged too. Not sure how to add images so I'll just add it here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.122.23 (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

S1
I added the citation needed tag because everything on the company's website indicates the opposite of "more hardcore scenes". I don't speak Japanese but the website motif and box cover pictures all give off a more stylish ("#1 Style!") and "kawaii" feeling than other labels, and the videos are no more "hardcore" than typical JAV. They have group sex but not any rape or bondage. (not that I've seen many of the videos) Maybe this changed since their debut a few years ago. Someone please explain this discrepency to me here (or the original source of the information) when clarifying the line in the article. --70.142.60.234 23:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, I don't think the scenes are any more 'hardcore' than her previous non-S1 material. The videos are just of a better quality, and the scenes are sexier in general but that's just opinion. I'm not gonna do it (I'm shy :P) but I think that whole part about S1 being more hardcore can be removed and not just marked with 'Citation Needed' — Preceding unsigned comment added by KyonoRocks (talk • contribs) 21:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think when they are talking about "more hardcore" they are referring to a thinning of the mosaic that S1 brought to the JAV world that left less to the imagination. Whether this applies to Sora Aoi or not is an open question. If you need a citation, there's one on the S1 No. 1 Style page:
 * "All Japanese adult videos are censored by applying a mosaic over the genital areas but in late 2004, S1 was the first company to replace the old analog mosaics with a new thinner digital mosaic they named "girigiri" or risky mosaic (ギリギリモザイク girigirimozaiku)". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.250.77 (talk) 05:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

August 2008
It's NOT her name, you fool. It's her stage name. It means "Blue Sky." Someone is defacing her entry here on Wikipedia and I don't know why. Some of these entries are downright libelous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.136.143 (talk) 03:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

February 2009
I'm sorry to inform you that Sora is the correct romanization, not Sola. It is also not her real name. In Japanese, Aoi Sora. Aoi is a common family name, the family name preceeds the given name in Japan. Aoi Sora = Blue Sky, Sora Aoi = Sky Blue.

btw, whoever wrote the ridiculous "dramatic analysis" of her "films" gave me a good laugh. Her AV films are like every other AV film in Japan; stick it in, squeal for a ten minutes, repeat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.180.43.31 (talk) 11:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've removed the reference to "blue sky" since the kanji for her name are not the same. 蒼井 is just a family name and means blue well. Yes, it's obviously a pun, but it is not intended to be a literal translation. 75.158.37.149 (talk) 18:27, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Sora Aoi and 2010 Yushu earthquake donations, online netizen controversy
May be of relevance: Regards, --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 02:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/stories/japanese-adult-video-actress-sora-aoi-qinghai-earthquake-donations.html
 * http://ent.ifeng.com/idolnews/jpkr/detail_2010_04/27/1460383_0.shtml

Sora and Indonesia
She just got mentioned in today's New York Times regarding a mainstream movie she made in semi-secret in Indonesia due to negative public attitudes there regarding adult actresses. Someone might wanna fit that into her article somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.250.77 (talk) 05:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Sora Aoi → Sola Aoi – According to this guideline for the names of Japanese modern figures, Wikipedia uses the form personally or professionally used by the person, if available in the English/Latin alphabet. This woman uses the form "Sola Aoi" on her official website. JoshuSasori (talk) 05:26, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Web site linked to by the nom is entirely in Japanese. China Daily, Japan Times, Soompi, and Twitch all call the subject "Sora". I got almost 7 million Web hits for, compared to 200,000 for . My preference is to use standard transliteration in the absence of a reason to do it some other way. Kauffner (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The number of hits for one or other version of the name is irrelevant. Please refer to the guideline quoted above. The first priority rule, which I have quoted in bold, is how the person herself renders her name. The site being in Japanese is also irrelevant, since we are only considering how the woman chooses to romanize her own name, and the site clearly displays a romanized version of the name. The name is clearly and consistently romanized Sola not Sora. Furthermore, the same woman consistently uses Sola in other contexts. JoshuSasori (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You say My preference is to use standard transliteration in the absence of a reason to do it some other way. Well, JoshuSasori has provided an excellent reason to do it some other way. &para; The matter isn't quite as simple as JoshuSasori suggests. I only possess one 蒼井そら artifact, a 2006 photobook of and by her that says across its front cover and (twice) in its colophon polgasun aoisora. (A search engine will quickly bring you images of its front cover, and even some critical commentary.) The colophon also says All Photographs and Model:aoi sora. So yes, the same woman uses Sola in many other contexts; but she also uses (or has used) Sora. From what I know so far, on balance I'd favor renaming to "Sola" (cf "Cozue Takagi"). However, my mind's still open to evidence and reason. -- Hoary (talk) 23:45, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The use of the name "Sora Aoi" on behalf of the person comes under rule 3 in the manual of style for Japan-related articles which is linked to above. The first (top priority) rule is to use the form of the name which the person herself prefers. The second priority rule is to use the form of the name in an encyclopaedia entry. The third priority rule is to "Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world". The use of "Sora Aoi" by others comes under rule 3 and the use of "Sola Aoi" by the woman herself comes under rule 1. Rule 1 beats rule 3, so simply by following the rules, there is no question at all that the article should be renamed "Sola Aoi". If we don't agree with these rules, then that should be debated on the Manual of Style for Japan-related Articles, not on this talk page. JoshuSasori (talk) 00:15, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME says, "use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." Here for RS we have the Japan Times and possibly China Daily. Amazon is selling 47(!) of her DVDs, and on almost all of them her name is given as "Sora Aoi". This includes Tsumugi and Siren, her current top sellers. There is also a song about her called, "Thinking of Sora Aoi". As for the manual of style, that should be written to reflect the consensus as expressed in the outcome of relevant RMs, not the other way around. Kauffner (talk) 00:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In other words, you think it's OK to override the manual of style for Japan-related articles. JoshuSasori (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is WP:POLICY to override guidelines like the Japanese MOS, when a POLICY says otherwise. Policies are not recommendations, the only way to override a policy is with a WP:IAR. 70.24.251.71 (talk) 10:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have looked through the common name policy but see only general points. I see nothing which supports the notion of spelling a person's name one way when the person herself spells it another way. This seems to be nothing more than a case of a spelling mistake being propagated. Can you find any example of where a misspelling of a person's name is used as the title of a Wikipedia article instead of the correct spelling? JoshuSasori (talk) 12:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the reason her site is at "sola" is because the "sora" URLs were already taken, as you can see here, here, and here. Kauffner (talk) 21:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That may or may not be the reason she decided to spell her name "Sola Aoi". I strongly doubt it. But even given that was her only reason for choosing "Sola" over "Sora", whatever way she spells her name is the way Wikipedia should spell it. JoshuSasori (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Among other points I could make, I'll just make one: A retailer is not a reliable source. (Although you may not be claiming that it is.) &para; I've notified WP Japan of this discussion. -- Hoary (talk) 01:25, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

The New York Times gives the subject's name as "Sora" in the amusingly titled, "Porn Stars, Clad? They Seem to Appeal to Indonesian Filmgoers". Kauffner (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify, you are claiming that the New York Times is a recognized authority on how to romanize the names of Japanese porn stars? JoshuSasori (talk) 03:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for Kauffner, but I'd point out that the NYT is normally taken hereabouts as representative of middle-brow US publications that have their own house rules (whatever we may think of these), that then put a fair amount of copyediting effort into following them, and whose practice is therefore likely to go down well with en:WP's anglophone readers. Some of the NYT's own particular rules are rather quaint ("Ms. Aoi", "Mr. Hidayat") and ignored here; but it's thanks to middlebrow US convention as seen in the NYT that, for example, WP reverses the names of Japanese people who happen to have been born after 1867. -- Hoary (talk) 04:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am 100% sure that The New York Times, along with every other newspaper in the English-speaking world, follows the absolutely standard convention, of using the person's own preferred spelling of their name, and that this was an error on their part. The New York Times admits they got at least 460 people's names wrong in 2011. Sola Aoi was just another one of them. For all we know they might have even got the spelling of her name from the Wikipedia article itself. JoshuSasori (talk) 06:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. It seems that she sometimes uses (or fails to prevent the use of) "Sora". But it's very clear that "Sola" is her preference. If the NYT and others get it wrong, that's their problem and not ours. And what of people looking here for "Sora Aoi" (or "Aoi Sora")? Such searches are what redirects are for. -- Hoary (talk) 01:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. If "Sola" is how the person chooses to spell her name, then that is the form we should use here. --DAJF (talk) 13:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am amazed by the mind-reading abilities that so many editors seem to have. Check out the cover of her top-selling Amazon DVD: "Sora Aoi is Tsumugi". Kauffner (talk) 16:07, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * On the same web site, I also find her named as "Aoi Sola" and "Sola Aoi". However, the woman's own website uses the form "Sola Aoi", so I don't think it is mind reading to suggest that she prefers that form. JoshuSasori (talk) 00:09, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator. Oda Mari (talk) 16:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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