Talk:Solomon in Islam

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I tried to reword this in a bit more of an encyclopedic fashion. I had to assume the person who originally wrote this used the Qur'an as the source. If someone sees something not in the Qur'an, please correct it.


 * Ok, so does this article being named Qur'anic account of Solomon instead of Islamic view of Solomon mean that i can not include hadith based views in it? In that case, do we also need Hadith's account of Solomon? --Striver 07:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I see no reason why this article should not be Islamic view of Solomon, it seems far too exclusive otherwise and its not like Islam ignores the Qu'ran or anything. Homestarmy 17:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * My sentiment exactly, no reason to narrow it down to the Qur'an. --Striver 18:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, can a admin make the rename?-striver
 * nm, i just did it.--Striver 00:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Names
It is utterly ridiculous to retale the Islamic tradition using Jewish names. In islamic tradition the names are Sulayman, Dawud, etc. We are not translating names from books. We are using them as they are, not to make confusion.

If assuming that both Bible and Qu'ran speak about the same historical perosns, Solomon and Sulayman as characters from mythological tradition are different. To say that Solomon ruled Jinn is as culturally ridiculous as to say that this poor Kazakh man wears a kippah. Mukadderat 05:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * We are not using jewish names, we are using the most accepted English name, this is the english wikipedia. The article is named "view", since that is the standardized way of presenting views. If you have a problem with the Qur'anic view, take it up with its author, wikipedia is not interested about "truth". --Striver 14:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "Most accepted" is dubious claim. Wikipedia writes "Suleiman is is a male Arabic given name that means "Man of Peace". I.e.., it is a separate, acceptable name used in English language. Likewise Qu'ran in not "most accepted" English spelling, which is Quran. I explained my reason: it is Islamic tradition, where the name of the mythological figure who ruled both mortals and Jinns is "Sulayman". Personal names are not translatable. We dont write Solomon the Magnificient. We write "Suleiman the Magnificent. I don't have problems with the Qu'ranic view, it seems you have. That wikipedia is not interested about "truth" is your opinion, very dubious IMO. Mukadderat 16:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I also protest your unilateral move done without any previous discussion in this talk page. The page referred to Sulayman, who is among Prophets of Islam, for very long time, since 2003 and has majority of wikilinks to the title with this name without any objections. Mukadderat 16:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This issue has been disscused and lenght at Islamic view of Jesus, were after a long dispute, it became clear that the correct name of the article was not Isa or anything else, but Islamic view of Jesus. As you can see, i received a barnstart for it on my main page. Please do not move this article against decisions made by the consensus of the wikipedia community. I am going to yet again to move the article to the name agree there. If you do not agree, please try to change consensus at Talk:Islamic view of Jesus before unitarily deciding what this article should be named. --Striver 06:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see any vote for consensus in this page. All I see you "being bold" Mukadderat
 * Not on this talk page, on Talk:Islamic view of Jesus. --Striver 06:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Suleiman the Magnificent case is named so since that is his most prominent english name, while the most commonly known english name for the subject of this article is Solomon. --Striver 06:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually the Jewish name would be Shlomo. Also Shlomo ruling over demons does exist in Jewish tradition. Drsmoo (talk) 01:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Riddles
The section regarding the three riddles posed to Solomon by Bilqis doesn't seem to have an Islamic source, amirite? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.119.123 (talk) 01:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Solomon's Edifice might been constructed on the sea bed between Yemen and AfricaLink title
Quran informs us that the Sun worshiping of Saba kingdom was discovered by a Hoopoe. They hid their worshiping, but when the Great King Solomon was informed he sent a letter ordering them to stop their doing. The distance from Jerusalem to Saba is about 2000 km, Hoopoe could not take the risk of traveling this distance without permission or an excuse.

Hoopoe came late to Solomon that meant the hoopoe was not a super Hoopoe but only a bird with the ability of an ordinary Hoopoe.

So the Hoopoe is one main Key to know where the Edifice was.

Between Saba and the surroundings there were mountains, Solomon’s hosts passed through the valley of Ants. Saba could be seen from the air so it was logic to be seen by the Hoopoe if his flight was close.

Rough levels for the area are as the following: ( -23 m) - Sea bed near the beach

(+43 m) - Beach (+1330 m) - Marib dam (+2110 m) - Nearby mountains (+996 m) - Desert behind mountains The hoopoe is an ordinary bird with a limited speed. During his flight he saw the people of Saba kingdom worshiping the sun; he flew closer to make sure; that made him late to attend the council of Solomon. Hoopoe was absent and nobody knew where he was. He could be punished by Solomon; Hoopoe cannot take a risk by flying from Palestine to Yemen without reasons or permission.

He was late and without excuse, so his flight must be short and close to both Solomon’s council and Saba.

The distance between Solomon’s council and Kingdom of Saba must not be long.

The same Hoopoe took Solomon’s letter to Saba. It was not difficult for the Hoopoe to carry it and he did not get tired, it is not a long distance.

It was a brief letter but they knew it was from the Great King Solomon who was very famous, people in Saba must know him well. Saba was also famous and strong kingdom. They hid their sun worshiping. If their doing were public then many must knew about it. Solomon’s hosts were huge nobody discovered the secrete worshiping. Saba succeeded in hiding their doing until Hoopoe discovered their doing.

The situation of Saba went critical, they sent a gift, but when Solomon rejected it, they preferred to go to him that was safer than to let Solomon’s hosts entering Saba. They were very close, Saba could not stand against Solomon hosts from entering Saba,

Solomon refused the gift and asked his soldiers to bring the throne of Saba before their coming. If Solomon was in Palestine, then the arrival of the Queen would take long time. Time was another important key, Saba was close therefore the Queen will come soon, and the bringing of the Throne before her coming meant many things. It is prove of Solomon’s power.

Two extraordinary Solomon's soldiers replied him: The first was a demon, but the second was one who had a knowledge from the book, the second’s ability was more powerful than the ability of the demon

Any thing is easer with knowledge support, but without knowledge any thing appears more difficult, the second soldier was faster than the Demon.

Demon said he could bring the throne before Solomon stand up from his seat, it was a period of time until finishing the council (End of council)

The second time was shorter which is until the return of Solomon’s Terminal hosts (During the council time)

Some body understood that the second time is “within the twinkling of an eye!” (this is as shown in the translation) but really this time is very short, and there is an important word mentioned which declare that the bringing of the throne took longer time than the time required for just twinkling of an eye, the meaning of this word is “then when “ َ فَلَمّا رَآهُ مُسْتَقِرّاً عِندَهُ ! Then when (Solomon) saw it placed firmly before him,

Any creature’s ability is controlled by what he was given by Allah, maybe he is faster because of his ability or his knowledge but at the end it is to a certain limit. The abilities of soldieries were limited, and they were obeying Solomon’s orders. Second soldier was faster but he needed time. Both times were correlated by council’s events; Soldier’s abilities were not out of time. Abilities were of bringing the Throne during the council time, by logic, Saba was not far from the Solomon’s council, if it was then time required to bring throne might be longer than the council time …

Solomon Edifice is close to Saba

But where could it be? The suitable place for containing the Edifice and the huge and many Jinn’s made around the Edifice must be wide and far from people. Only jinn were there when Solomon died. Quran informs us about many other keys, Quran informs us about the builder of the edifice, the material ….. So, the Edifice can be known where it was. Notice the following very important points

The Edifice was built not by human but by Jinns and demons, they were builders and divers. Edifice was a tall building constructed from glass and copper, this kind of building which was done by builders and divers of Jinn must not be over land, but so like building must be in water where glass is a Prime building material, on land, buildings were made of stones and woods, in water the builder must know diving and they must be not human, in water tall building is essential for ventilation

Solomon asked Allah to give him a unique Kingdom. No one before or after Solomon has a kingdom in the sea, Only Solomon has a large kingdom both in land and sea,

Jinns made many huge status ,structures,… and others around the Edifice, these things are essential for building in the sea. But on land they could harm peoples during construction and after that it will be a famous place for people to visit. No body discovered these Jinn’s structures yet, the possibility of being on the sea bed is very logic, if these things were on land many people must know about , and many people must go there many times, and so like places can not be forgotten easily, the Edifice was far away from people, it was only for Solomon to worship far from people.

Quran informs us that " Allah let a Font of molten brass to flow for Solomon; and there were Jinns that worked in front Of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from Our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire." , as known in the sea bed there are many volcanoes, so the molten copper are there available for jinn to use for their made,

Solomon could order the wind to blow his ship from the Edifice to the holy land or where he wanted, the wind made his travel fast, the one month trip could be done during a few hours because of the ordered wind. Edifice was far from the Holy land.

Solomon died in the Edifice and no human asked about him, his Kingdom was large and no body knew where he was. If his Edifice was on land human or birds could enter the Edifice, that means Solomon used to be alone there in the Edifice for worship, and Edifice was far from birds and humans.

When Solomon died no human or bird entered into his Edifice, any human can know that he was dead, and that means Solomon was far from humans (the land) he was under water in his Edifice (made of glass), jinn stayed out side and around the edifice in the hard work.

When the queen of Saba wanted to enter the Edifice, she thought she was entering into water, that means she passed over a bridge of glass over water,

Many stories about Solomon were accompanied with the sea, like his ring and the fish, also the jinn and the bottle….

Conclusions: The Edifice was constructed on the sea bed, while its entrance was above water surface to allow air come in and out, and there was only one gate, where no body enter their except Solomon. Solomon trips from/to the Edifice and the holly land was by using wind ships ordering the wind to blow to wherever he wanted Now, due to the subsidence of the sea bed, the Edifice is completely under water and is covered by sediments, this also happened to the structures built about the Edifice

Old Peoples thought Gazan area was the place where Solomon’s hosts were gathered, Gazan is very close to Saba, there are many valleys, mountains and islands. The beach is nearly flat, where the sea bed is shallow, this area has not been discovered yet by archeologists

The Edifice and the surroundings (Jinn made) are cover by sediments in the bed of sea between Yemen and Africa needs someone to discover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.252.112.255 (talk) 06:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


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 * Interesting, I can see what you mean. For example, the distance between Makkah and Madinah is long enough for a person traveling by foot, if one considers the Hijrah of Muhammad and his followers, and that is little compared to the distance between Al-Arḍ Al-Mubarakah (الأَرض الـمُـبـاركـة, "The Land The Blessed", where Solomon lived, where Abraham settled with some of his relatives, like Lot, where Moses and Aaron tried to migrate to from Egypt in the west, and where al-Masjid al-Aqsa {{{lang-ar|الـمَـسـجـد الأَقـصى}}, "the Place-of-Prostration the Farthest", it is argued that there was no 'Mosque' [defining it here as a building used for Salah] during Muhammad's lifetime} is located) and Saba’ in Southern Arabia. Also, however, the hud-hud (هُـدهـد) did have an excuse for being temporarily absent ...

Leo1pard (talk) 04:53, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Islamic views on Abraham which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 20:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Calligraphy of his name
People often put in calligraphic representations of names of prominent figures such as Muhammad, Isa (Jesus) and Ali, but I don't see any for Sulaiman. I would appreciate it if there was, so that I could put that as the first image, like is the case for the other articles of Muhammad, Isa and Ali. Leo1pard (talk) 07:20, 8 May 2017 (UTC); edited 04:08, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

STOP CHANGING THE EDITS BACK TO BEING WRONG
Suleiman was a prophet of the JEWS NOT "ISRAELIS" He was king of PALESTINE NOT ISRAEL!. ISRAEAL DINT EVEN EXSIST BACK THEN all the Jews Christians and Muslims lived in Plaestine MERO LALA (talk) 15:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Sulayman
he was a king of the world not just a Israel,Please edit this part 103.78.254.9 (talk) 02:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We can only add to Wikipedia whic has been covered by WP:Reliable Source. If you can provide one, Editors will be glad to add it. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Ahistorical edits and vandalism related to an alleged "Kingdom of Israel" or place called "Israel"
Contrary to what some have said in the edit summaries of their edits which are actually POV and vandalism, there is no actual evidence for the existence of any such location in history called "Israel" or "Kingdom of Israel". In fact, the entire wikipedia page of Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) makes it clear that the historicity of such a place is only speculation with very little evidence and the second paragraph literally says the following:

Whether the United Monarchy existed—and, if so, to what extent—is a matter of ongoing academic debate,[11][12][13] and scholars remain divided between those who support the historicity of the biblical narrative, those who doubt or dismiss it, and those who support the kingdom's theoretical existence while maintaining that the biblical narrative is exaggerated.[14] Proponents of the kingdom's existence traditionally date it to between c. 1047 BCE and c. 930 BCE.

That's besides the fact that the current article is about the Islamic narrative of Solomon, so even if one wants to argue that there may have been a place called "Israel" hypothetically, the Islamic narrative does not support such a claim nor does it acknowledge that Solomon had the title of "King". In the Islamic narrative, "Israel" is the name of a person and his tribe, not a geographical location or a political entity, and Solomon is the leader or ruler of this tribe. For example, the prophet Muhammad is said to be born in Mecca, Hijaz, Arabia, and not in Mecca, Quraysh (which was his tribe). Hijaz and Arabia are geographical terms. The proper geographical term for the birth place of Solomon is Canaan.

Clearly the people who keep reverting the proper terms are doing it for their own judeo-christian political and ideological agendas and need to stop vandalizing the article with misinformation. 69.157.246.44 (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Greetings, before we can even discuss the matter, I feel the need to remind everyone participating to follow the etiquette. Always assume good faith and avoid pesonal attacks.
 * Thanks for joining the talkpage. Here, disputed edits, can be discussed. When Consensus is reached, changes can be done.
 * "there is no actual evidence for the existence of any such location in history called 'Israel' or 'Kingdom of Israel'."
 * Did anyone said that the state Israel has anything to do with the mythological kingdom of Solomon?
 * In the revision on 22:14, 15 January 2024 it is stated: "In both the Quran and the tafsir (Tabari) speak of Israelites in Arabic. Of course, it is not the post-modern state Israel of today's world, but it is understood as the legacy of Israelites."
 * Here, it is made clear that 1. Israelites do exist in Islamic sources 2. it is not about the talkpage.
 * After a few more edits, on 01:11, 20 January 2024 the following point was made: "More Jewish vandalism. 'Israel' was never a location in actual history or in the Islamic narrative."
 * This gives evidence that the author assumes that someone is pushing for support of the state Israel. However, it has been made clear at the beginning, that noone was talking about the state Israel. Maybe there is a miscommunication happening, often the result of using edit summaries instead of talkpages. Therefore, the advise to go to the talkpage. Nonetheless, objection has been raised against the infobox entry 'Israel'. I would like to adress them:
 * "there is no actual evidence for the existence of any such location in history called 'Israel' or 'Kingdom of Israel'."
 * Noone said there is. 'Israel' in the infobox does not suggest he is.
 * "That's besides the fact that the current article is about the Islamic narrative of Solomon"
 * Correct! I assume the User is saying that according to the Islamic concept of Solomon, since there is no kingdom called Israel, Solomon cannot be the king of Israel, which is a good point. It is possible to say that the Islamic Solomon is the same as the Biblical one, thus the proper Wiki-link would be Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy). However, it is about the Islamic concept only. Canaan could be accepted as the region in which Solomon might have been born, however, he did not rule over the entire region of Canaan. If we talk about his kingship, it makes more sense to speak about 'Israel' since he is the king of Israel (which the modern state is distinct but named after). I am open for suggestions.
 * Please be remindful to carefully read the responses, and provide reliable sources for each positive claim. If a User does not comply to the guidlines, there is no obligation to engage with a User ignoring the rules. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)