Talk:Somali Bantus

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Undiscussed changes
Per WP:BRD, I have reverted massive changes made to the article by a new single purpose account. Among other things, the material conflates the Bravanese people (who only speak Bantu languages, but many aren't ethnically Bantu) with actual Bantus. It ignores the fact that the term "Somali Bantu" is not the common term for the Bantus in Somalia and that it is a neologism which only came into usage in recent years. It repeats a lot of the information already indicated in the article, such as the ostracism of Bantus and land seizures. It also puts undue weight on the discrimination already quite extensively discussed. Middayexpress (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

"kismayo farmers" photo not kismayo and a copyright violation --- removed
this photos purportedly from defenseimagery.mil is not and is taken from http://www.cheap-kenya-vacation-tips.com/bantu-people-of-kenya.html I have removed this copyright violation. Blatant disregard. The link goes to a photo of an army person giving water to a man -- quite obviously not these two ladies. Please stop stealing pictures from online, thanks.

Removemyphotothanks (talk) 04:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The burden of proof is on the user and this photo has been reported. The uploader is a known copyright violator and a number of requests for removal have been lodged against him. I suggest you look up the uploader on wikimedia commons. You are in very gray legal territory my friend, and I recommend you chat with a more knowledgable administrator :) I will not repeat myself again, this is a copyrighted work and you must cease and desist from using it on this page. Thank you. Removemyphotothanks (talk) 05:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone did look it up, and this was the result of the investigation. Nyttend (talk) 12:31, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

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Somali Propaganda
Somalis are obsessed with this Batu thing and different appearances of various Africans. This article called them Bantu, but also said not to confuse them with the Swahili Bantus? Either all are Bantu or they are not - you cannot pick and choose who you want to favor based on a history.
 * I share your sentiments. I have commented about this on similar articles. Personally, I think many of these articles should be nuked or tagged for expert. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

i disagree this isnt somali propoganda the term bantu was never coined by somalis, the somali word for bantus is jareer and i dont think thier is anything wrong with the articles description of the somali bantus. --Gashaamo (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with 's reversion of this IP here. However, I can understand why the IP took issue with this article as discussed here and elsewhere (related articles) by other editors - me included. Perhaps someone should tag this for an expert opinion. I'm also concerned about the use of the images here. I find it hard to believe that there are no other pictures showing the varied lives of these people. All the images used here in my view, put this ethnic group in a rather sub-servant position. Couple with the content of this article, this article does not come off as neutral to me at all. I see that I'm not the only one who believes this after reading this article and other related articles. I would probably recommend a more varied images or chose one that does not attempt to show these people in a sub-servant position. Also, maybe this article should be tagged for expert. Senegambianamestudy (talk) 02:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


 * - Just checking back on this article which is now tagged to invite expert input. Not sure how much expert input will be received, but if nothing happens with that after a reasonable time, the WP:RFC or WP:PR processes are also available. Agree some improvements would be helpful to avoid neutrality problems, but not familiar enough with African culture topics to make any detailed suggestions. Dl2000 (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This article only depicts them as the descendant of an enslaved people without any other relevant information about them. No contributions, no interests. Every ethnicity on earth has those. It even tried to other them from the broader somali identity linkage many times, in one instance saying "Many Somali bantus, especially the descendants of enslaved people converted to Catholism" with no link. In the same breathe failed to mention that the majority of Somali Bantus are of the Muslim religion. It was compiled by people who could care less and just wanted to drive home them being enslave part alone. Example of a bad and biased article edited in bad faith. Researcherofgreatness (talk) 08:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Somali Somali folk are adding false information about the Somali bantu people which are also known as shambara. The shambara are 5 tribes not 6 and they have always lived Somalia as you can tell by the region they’re settled. It’s true they’re bantu who might have captured and brought to Somalia without their wills but that’s not all the bantu. My great great greate grandfather was someone was captured from Kenya and brought to Somalia as slave who was made Shepard as he was a child. He escaped from that and found people who looked like him, and these were the Somali bantu people. They did not understand each other language but they welcomed. Somali bantu are very kind and generous people who would welcome people to their land. That being said, I would not add any more. But remind you Somali to stop adding false information of the Bantus people. We know very well that Somalis came from Somalia and are the slave of Arab named Abdirahman bin off. Just educate yourselves about your true history. Somali is corrupt because you guys... Only somali bantu knows the history of somali bantu (talk) 08:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Jareer
In the Somali diaspora, the term jareer is also used more generally to mean anyone of Negroid heritage: for example, West Africans, Bantus outside of Somalia, Afro-Caribbeans, and African-Americans. (It’s often contrasted with cadaan, which means white person. Also keep in mind that Somalis and Ethiopians themselves are Caucasoids). There’s a controversy within the diaspora over whether Somalis should identify as black or not, and the term jareer is used by Somalis who don’t identify as black, to refer to blacks. This should be mentioned in the article, or else a separate page for the term “Jareer” should be created. 63.231.140.53 (talk) 02:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Sources please. We don't accept original research here. Senegambianamestudy (talk)

this isnt a racial argument but an article on the somali bantu ethnic minority in somalia, I can understand thier are some racial theories used in Europe but none of that exists in africa or somalia for that matter --Gashaamo (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

SOMALIS
Mostly people are misunderstood the somali bantus, the word jarer means Afro/Nappy hair and jileec mean curly or straight hair so there is no clan called jileec/jareer. When it comes to somali bantus they do exist and settle jubba river such as mashunguli, there are also nilotic clans settle shabelle regions hiran middle/lower shabella, bay region, they are Shiidle,Rershabelle,Makanne,Hintire, Kabole,sadax cumar, and etc. People should understand that somali bantus were not slaves even though they had Kingdom called capi di gosćia or nasiib buunde User:Ixuseen cali (User talk:xuseen calu) 17:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The FACT
Bantu tribes are Majindo, Makua, Malima, Mayasa, Mayao, Kiziguas. Somali Nilotic tribes are, Shabelle, Shiidle, Makane, Hintire, Eeyle, Sedah Omar, i hope this is clear point [Xuseen Cali] (Userxhseeen cali) 17:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)