Talk:Somebody Else (The 1975 song)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 21:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Really love this song; will start the review soon! --K. Peake 21:14, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

 * Infobox looks good!
 * Band members introduction to the songwriters is not needed because that being solely in the body is sufficient ✅
 * "The track was released on" → "It was released on" plus swap this with the last song written sentence ✅
 * "It was the last song written for the record; Healy developed the song's lyrics" → "The song was the last one written for the album; Healy developed the lyrics" since using "the album" twice in the same para is fine when it's a song article ✅
 * Remove the word downbeat from the lead, as that's not notable here ✅
 * Instead of writing the song is composed in styles, shouldn't it be "composed in the genres of..."?
 * The following sentence uses "genres".  Gia co bbe  talk 12:21, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Remove disco from describing the bass here since it's only an influence ✅
 * "deemed it the best song" → "deemed it one of the best songs"
 * At least five reviews in the 'Critical Reception' section deem it the best song on the album.  Gia co bbe  talk 12:14, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "including those published" → "including ones published" but you should write about some of these lists in prose as well as being in the section table because anything in the lead has got to be written in the body ✅
 * Shouldn't the Ireland chart be mentioned in the lead? ✅
 * "the US Billboard Hot Rock & Alternative Songs" → "the US Billboard Hot Rock & Alternative Songs chart" ✅
 * Maybe you should instead write that the song "was certified gold in both Australia and the United States" while mentioning the certification bodies, plus then add "while it received a platinum certification in the United Kingdom" and adding that body too ✅
 * "It received positive reviews from critics, who highlighted the video's" → "The video received positive reviews from critics, who highlighted the" ✅
 * Add release year of Fight Club in brackets ✅
 * Add release year of The Edge of Seventeen in brackets ✅
 * "citing the track as a significant influence on her second album," → "citing it as a significant influence on her second studio album," plus add the release year in brackets ✅

Background

 * Retitle to Background and development because the second para discusses how the song was developed mostly thematically ✅
 * "on theme of jealousy" → "on the theme of jealousy" ✅
 * First para looks good apart from maybe the sentence about the song's inclusion on the album, as shouldn't that be in the release and reception section instead? ✅
 * "specifically the feelings of" → "alongside the accompanying feelings of" ✅
 * "Healy said that he" → "Healy agreed that he" since the viewpoint actually came from the interviewer ✅

Music and lyrics

 * Audio sample looks good!
 * "of a "bouncing"" → "of a "bounc[ing]"" per alteration of the source ✅
 * Are you sure the term whirling is encyclopaedic?
 * Yes.  Gia co bbe  talk 16:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * [35] should only be next to funk and neo-soul, as the ref being once in a sentence at a point after anything it backs up is sufficient ✅
 * Shouldn't you write electropop instead of electronic pop since you used alternative pop instead of the other source's alt pop to match with the more common term? ✅
 * The word "digitised" uses a "z" in the source in place of where the quote's "s" is, so switch accordingly ✅
 * "The singer delivers "Somebody Else" in a" → "The singer performs in a" to be less wordy ✅
 * "recounting the pain of" → "expressing the pain of" ✅
 * "one passes through after" → "one experiences after" so things are not worded too closely to the source ✅
 * "that one would normally" → "which one would normally" ✅
 * Remove pipe on Billboard ✅
 * "was reminiscent of" → "is reminiscent of" ✅
 * "of a Tears for Fears" → "as a Tears for Fears" ✅

Structure and analysis

 * For the content backed up by [25][22][45], shouldn't the punctuation be inside quotes? ✅
 * "has changed, and the" → "has changed and the" per British English ✅
 * [53] should be solely at the end of the sentence rather than invoked twice ✅
 * Pipe bridge to Bridge (music) ✅
 * "around intimacy, exclaiming:" → "around intimacy, as he exclaims:" ✅
 * ""a couplet that anyone" → ""[a] couplet that anyone" per the source's capitalisation
 * Per MOS:CONFORM: "...if the quoted passage has been integrated into the surrounding sentence (for example, with an introduction such as "X said that"), the original capital letter may be lower-cased."


 * "which she credits as" → "which she credited as" ✅
 * "of this notion, saying:" → "of the notion, summarising:" ✅

Release and critical reception

 * Maybe you should add a sentence after the first one mentioning its inclusion on the album 11 days later? ✅
 * Wikilink British pop music itself instead ✅
 * "named it the record's" → "named "Somebody Else" the record's" ✅
 * "to the song's successful emulation of a 1980s-style sound and said:" → "to the successful emulation of a 1980s-style sound:" ✅
 * "the production, arrangement" → "the production, arrangements" per the source ✅
 * "revealed that despite" → "assured that despite" ✅
 * Wikilink Rolling Stone India per MOS:LINK2SECT and for consistency with the ref ✅
 * "Healy's "sympathetic" and" → "Healy's "sympath[etic]" and" per alteration of the source
 * Per MOS:QUOTEPOV this is an emotive opinion and not a direct quote.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "the songs "enchanting" sound" → "the song's "enchant[ing]" sound"
 * Per MOS:QUOTEPOV this is an emotive opinion and not a direct quote.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

*"praised the song's "moody sheen", writing that it creates" → "praised its "moody sheen", writing this creates" ✅
 * "praising its "depressingly"" → "praising its "[d]epressingly"" per the source's capitalisation
 * Per MOS:CONFORM  Gia co bbe  talk 17:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Is the writing for NME introduction needed for Connick when the last one mentioned is him anyway?
 * Connick is credited as a journalist for both NME and DIY within this article. His comments within this section are sourced from NME.  Gia co bbe  talk 16:37, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "commended the song's lyrical elegance," → "commended its lyrical elegance," ✅
 * "said the song radiates" → "opined the song radiates" to be less repetitive ✅

Accolades

 * Elaborating on my earlier comment about lists, you should start with an overview saying that the song appeared on year-end and decade-end lists of numerous publications, plus pay reference to some in prose like the ones mentioned in the lead ✅
 * Are you sure The Diamondback isn't a violation of WP:RSSM since this is a list of theirs?
 * Yes, WP:RSSM does not make mention of excluding lists, with the only time notability is outright discounted is its use in a "topic which can be sourced exclusively to student media, with no evidence of wider coverage in mass market general interest media".  Gia co bbe  talk 16:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Commercial performance

 * Move to being the section after Music video
 * Which of the GA criteria does this fall under? Or is this a personal preference?  Gia co bbe  talk 16:48, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the layout mostly followed for song articles. --K. Peake 16:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "becoming the 1975's second most commercially successful release at the time." → "standing as the 1975's second most commercially successful release up to May 2020." per the source ✅
 * Mention when it was certified platinum ✅
 * The usage of "in the country" should be after the number of copies for correct flow of the sentence ✅
 * Don't think "at the time" is needed because "becoming" does not necessarily imply that it still holds this ranking ✅
 * Shouldn't it be Bubbling Under Hot 100 without the word singles?
 * Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles is the correct name for the chart used by Billboard.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:21, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Development and release

 * Img looks good!
 * The word "accompanying" is not needed when you have said it is the music video for the song ✅
 * Why is [105] after the first sentence when it does not mention Tim Mattia? ✅
 * Strange... Could have sworn they had him listed as director in the "description" section before.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:26, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "In his interview with Holden," → "Speaking to Holden," to be less repetitive with previous mention of their interview ✅
 * The "almost two or three videos" quote should not be written twice in a row ✅
 * ""it's 2016, there" → ""It's 2016, there" per the source's capitalisation ✅

Synopsis

 * "and an occasional boo" → "and the occasional boo" to be less repetitive ✅
 * It is not sourced that Healy actually walks towards the couch
 * Per WP:PLOTSOURCE regarding GA Criteria 1b.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "does not respond, and" → "does not respond and"
 * This leads to a bit of a run-on sentence.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Img looks good!
 * "skateboard dressed in a" → "skateboard, dressed in a" ✅
 * He traverses cabs and karaoke bars as well as what is mentioned, so shouldn't you add this in?
 * The karaoke part in explored further in depth in the third para.  Gia co bbe  talk 20:23, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "makes him hallucinate" → "leads to him hallucinating" ✅
 * "his performance, and the" → "his performance and the" ✅
 * "several drinks, and she" → "several drinks and she" ✅
 * Introduce Jarrod Johnson II at this point ✅
 * Good catch!  Gia co bbe  talk 17:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "and the video concludes" → "before the video concludes" ✅ but what part of this is backed up by Idolator?
 * Per WP:PLOTSOURCE regarding GA Criteria 1b.  Gia co bbe  talk 17:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Response

 * Retitle to Critical response ✅
 * Img looks good!
 * Wikilink David Lynch ✅
 * "commending its dark tonal style," → "commending the dark tonal style," but no "dark tonal" style seems to be praised by the source ✅
 * "during its "bizarre" twist" → "during the "bizarre" twist" ✅
 * It seems more like the introspective style was mentioned by the source, not necessarily praised ✅
 * Pipe "The Sound" to The Sound (song) ✅
 * Italicise Idolator ✅
 * Wikilink Fight Club and mention the film's release year ✅
 * "of Fight Club." → "of the film." because nobody will confuse a music video for being a film, especially when Fight Club was just mentioned ✅
 * Remove wikilink on The Fader ✅
 * I would recommend putting parts of the Stereogum review in your own words since it reads awkwardly quoting that much ✅

Live performances and other usage

 * Mention the pink light from the December 2015 performance per the source ✅
 * "the band performed the song" → "they performed the song" ✅
 * "THAT GET MONEY'."" → "THAT GET MONEY'"." per MOS:QUOTE ✅
 * "has also been used in several films and television shows, including" → "was used in" ✅

Cover versions

 * Remove American musician introduction on the img text since that is provided in prose ✅
 * "the musician "really" → "the musician asserted she "really" ✅
 * Pipe minimalist to Minimal music ✅
 * Pipe pop to Pop music ✅
 * Remove excess space before "breathtaking" ✅
 * "After tweeting about his discovery," → "After he tweeted about the discovery," ✅
 * "and incorporated layered" → "and he incorporated layered" ✅
 * "as "more sombre and" → "as "a little more somber and" per the source ✅
 * "of the track in the first place;" → "of the track at number one;" ✅
 * "a member of the" → "a member of" ✅

Legacy

 * What is [45] used to back up in the first sentence ✅ plus shouldn't you add more sources for the greatest songs claim?
 * I'm not sure why that's there to be honest. Regarding the second part of your comment, the other sources are presented throughout the paragraph and expanded upon in further detail. This is the lead-in sentence for the para.  Gia co bbe  talk 20:29, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * "and labelled a" → "and has been labelled a" ✅
 * "Jarod Johnson II of Paste ranked the track at number 17 on the publication's" → "Johnson II ranked the track at number 17 on Paste's" ✅
 * Should most genius lyrics really be surrounded by quotation marks? ✅
 * "ten fan-favourite lyrics," → "10 fan-favourite lyrics," ✅
 * Img looks good!
 * "despite being written by a" → "despite the songwriters being a" ✅
 * "they could have recorded" → "they could have written and recorded" per the source ✅
 * Remove wikilink on YouTube ✅

Credits and personnel

 * Good

Charts

 * Good

Certifications

 * Good

Final comments and verdict

 * until all of the issues are fixed, but I would say this is your best one yet especially with the size!!! --K. Peake 15:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words!!! I know it is larger than usual, so I appreciate you taking on the review. I believe I've implemented and/or addressed all of your comments. If there's something I've missed, please let me know .  Gia co bbe  talk 13:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ now, looks good and I don't mind the larger article when it was reviewed on one of my days off! --K. Peake 20:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)