Talk:Someone like You (Adele song)/Archive 1

Single cover
Could we not use the Brit Award single cover, for the cover on here? --SATURDAYmight. (talk) 20:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

????
Confused here. How come 19 to 1 is the biggest jump? Didn't My Life Would Suck Without You jumped from 90-something to no.1? Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC).

Credits
"Someone Like You"
 * Recorded at Harmony Studios, West Hollywood, CA
 * Tom Elmhirst – mixer
 * Dan Parry – assistant mixer
 * Adele Adkins – songwriter, producer, vocals
 * Dan Wilson – songwriter, producer, piano
 * Philip Allen – engineer
 * Tom Coyne – mastering

Sorry, didn't have time to source and format it. I'm sure you know how to (alphabetize etc). If you don't, let me know. By the way, you have done an amazing job with the article. Oran e  (talk)  23:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Song has passed 2 million paid downloads in the US
http://www.billboard.com/news/rihanna-becomes-fastest-solo-artist-to-20-1005384962.story#/news/adele-s-someone-like-you-atop-hot-100-passes-1005405372.story Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

For expansion
My love is love (talk) 17:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/glee-recap-adele-makes-mash-off-a-resounding-success-20111116
 * http://www.billboard.com/news/glee-tugs-at-heartstrings-with-adele-mashup-1005528982.story?page=2#/news/glee-tugs-at-heartstrings-with-adele-mashup-1005528982.story?page=2
 * http://www.australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Glee+Cast&titel=Rumour+Has+It+%2F+Someone+Like+You&cat=s

Controversy?
The controversy part is well written and documented, but I question the wording of "Controversy". It sounds like in just a few (maybe only 1) stores in the world, the employees are tired of customers over-playing the song. That's an inconvenience for some store employees, but that doesn't indicate any controversy regarding the song's content, musicality, or presentation. Efeinberg (talk) 23:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Gizmodo article
- here's an article that explains partially why the song is so powerful and, per its title, "The Real Reason Adele’s ‘Someone Like You’ Makes Us Weep". It might be a good addition. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Someone like You (Adele song)
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Reference named "nz": From Lights (Ellie Goulding song):  From Glee discography:  From Adele discography:  

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Meter
What's the time signature of the song? I have a MIDI file which says 2/4, but most scores say 4/4.--77.1.173.70 (talk) 02:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

TL; DR
This page is just about one song. It is longer than the article on Tolstoy's War and Peace, and contains four times the number of references! What is more, it's longer than the article on Adele herself. People, get a grip; don't you have some Pokemon characters to document? KazKylheku (talk) 00:03, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't be so elitist. Either edit the page or refrain from commenting. Btljs (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Capitalisation of "like"
Y2kcrazyjoker4 Unreal7 and Kww recently moved the page from "Someone Like You" to "Someone like You", citing Manual of Style/Capital letters. I dispute that move, since even Adele's own website capitalised "like". A Google search also yields far more "Someone Like You"s than "Someone like You"s. Shuipzv3 (talk) 05:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I second this - aside from looking extremely awkward and the song's title is in fact capitalized, reputable media outlets such as Billboard refer to it with the 'Like' capitalized. MOS/Capital Letters is a guideline, not policy, and thus there are exceptions - this should be one.  Toa   Nidhiki  05  19:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with users Unreal7 and Kww, "like" should be with small letter. See this and this as pretty good examples.— Tomica   (talk)  20:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nobody disputes that "and" or "the" (or their variants) are in the set of words that should be uncapitalized in titles. But "like", in my experience, is not in that set. – Smyth\<sup style="color:gray;">talk 15:04, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think there's some confusion - I moved it from "Someone like You" to "Someone Like You", not the other way around. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 04:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I need to get my eyes checked. Shuipzv3 (talk) 05:10, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Change back to capital. It looks awkward with 'like' without the capital L. Till I Go Home (talk) 10:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone like You, per Unreal7 and Kww. — Statυs  (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * like looks strange., Is it classified as a preposition? &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  <sup style="color:black;">[talk]  22:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Per Like, Like#Preposition; Preposition#Conjunctions, it is a preposition. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  22:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I also found "Someone like You" to be instantly jarring. Furthermore the article is blatantly inconsistent with itself, as every instance of the title in the article body is capitalized.

I believe the Manual of Style rule is over-simplistic. There is a discussion going on about this right now at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Capital_letters. – Smyth\<sup style="color:gray;">talk 15:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Now in Archive 11 of that page. And the outcome? Guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * We have both right now: "like" in the title and "Like" as the second word of the lede for example. I'd change them, but someone's bound to revert the edit. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In fact we have multiple inconsistency throughout the entire article. But there are many titles with "like" that have been given this "Wikipedia Rules (ok)" treatment and to me they all look equally unnatural and out of line with conventional use. Is this how the title is written for the purposes of copyright protection? In general, I think Wikipedia should follow what the composer or publisher has written. I assume the word "like" here is used as a conjunction. So the relevant MOS rule seems to be:
 * 'The words that are not capitalized (unless they are the first or last word of the title) are: ...
 * Short coordinating conjunctions (and, but, or, nor; also for, yet, so when used as conjunctions)
 * But this rule doesn't clearly tell us what counts as "short" and gives only three-letter examples Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Isn't "like" a preposition in this title (per like)? The MOS:CT rule for prepositions of four letters or fewer is to use lowercase. Incidentally, I notice that the page was just moved. I'm not sure that was a good idea. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:17, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That move was just reverted at my request. If the page is to be moved from "like" to "Like", prior to some substantial change in the MOS:CT guideline, I think that should only be as the result of a formal move request. (Please see WP:RM for instructions.) —BarrelProof (talk) 07:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * "Someone Like You" would actually change the meaning of the title, because it would imply that 'Like' was a verb; ie. 'Please can someone manage to like you?' like "I Really Like You", like. Btljs (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Really?? Only perhaps if you're a non-native speaker of English. No native speaker is ever going to say "someone like you" intending a verb. We now have another discussion at Talk:Someone like You (Van Morrison song). I still think this arbitrary style rule is making a number of article titles look amateurish. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not arbitrary - it's very clearly defined. What you mean is you disagree with its application in this particular case. My point is that if you have a rule (which we do) then to change its application in a case where the word is also used as a verb is going to mislead people who are used to the rule. I don't understand your aspersion on non-native-speakers, who tend to be more accurate in their use of grammar than those who grew up with the language. Consider that "someone like you" is part of a sentence, e.g. "Is someone like you?" (preposition) or "Does someone like you?" (verb) so without context there is nothing to differentiate between them. It isn't necessary to differentiate between them in a title of course, but since we have to decide whether to follow an existing rule or to break it, this is not a good time to break it. Btljs (talk) 19:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Policy discussion in progress
There is a policy discussion in progress at the Manual of Style which affects this page, suggesting that the capitalization of "like" should be removed. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — Llywelyn II   16:58, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

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