Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me (Frasier)

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Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 02:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I am requesting that this page be moved back to the original title, "Someone to Watch Over Me (Frasier)". All sources state the episode name as "Someone to Watch Over Me", such as the Frasier Season 2 DVD release and the episode listing on IMDB, so the article should be moved to "Someone to Watch Over Me (Frasier)". It should have never been moved to "Someone to Watch over Me (Frasier)".

Nitroblu (talk) 01:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose, quoting WP:CAPS: "In general, each word in titles of books, films, and other works takes an initial capital, except for articles ("a", "an", "the"), the word "to" as part of an infinitive, prepositions and coordinating conjunctions shorter than five letters (e.g., "on", "from", "and", "with"), unless they begin or end a title or subtitle." – Cyrus XIII (talk) 18:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Counter: This is actually the problem with Wikipedia's naming conventions. Many books, films, and other works deviate from this convention, and so the original titles should be respected and not modified to fit Wikipedia's standards. It should also be noted that the text says "In general..." – Nitroblu (talk) 01:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You should take such fundamental concerns to the talk pages of our Manual of Style, an article about a Frasier episode is hardly the place to have that kind of discussion. The only thing we could comprehensively address here would be whether or not there is a compelling argument for making an exception for this particular article. Given our overall standards of neutrality and consistency though, this would have to be one heck of a rationale. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 07:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose How the episode is capitalized in the episode guide or how a book is capitalized on its cover or title page does not control capitalization elsewhere. The title of a given work might be capitalized differently in different printings of it. What matters is the style guide relevant to the work the title is used in. In this case, it means Wikipedia's Manual of Style is more important than the DVD release materials. Were MoS not to have a relevant rule, I would still be opposed because when the question is merely of style and not addressed by MoS, all instances should conform with the earliest use. Either style ("over" or "Over) are, proper, so it is a mere question of style. Obviously, the title of the article is the earliest use of the title of the episode, so the lowercase version should prevail. -Rrius (talk) 20:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved
Please realized that "over" in this case is not a preposition but part of the two-word phrasal verb "watch over". Phrasal verbs are typically capitalized and this is discussed in the WP:music project for album and song titles in WP:MUSTARD. I know this isn't a music article but the same principal applies. --Wolfer68 (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)