Talk:Somnophilia/Archive 1

Agalmatophilia
Strictly speaking, this is closer to doll fetishism than anything else. Also, the idea that there is necrophilic element to this just doesn't sound right since a dead body has little if anything in common with a sleeping person's body. Sweetfreek (talk) 06:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The recipient
I wonder what the term is for those who are aroused by being woken up by such caresses —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.105.238 (talk) 03:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Date Rape?
Could it be considered somnophilia when a guy drugs his girl's drink then has fun with her while she's out? Ethan66 (talk) 20:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Possibly. I suppose it would depend on if it is for the purpose of just screwing her in any way or if he does it specificaly because he wants to screw her while she is asleep. 95.109.102.252 (talk) 11:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

New source available
Only few sources exist for somnophilia, so this one appearing today in the NYTimes might be useful: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/health/when-rapists-weapon-is-a-drug.html?_r=0. Because I am quoted in it, I am posting it on the talk page.— James Cantor (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, James Cantor. If you, an expert in the field of paraphilia, with a variety of access to WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, are stating that, then I suppose we have to work with what we got. Or maybe, since this topic is severely lacking WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, we should simply mention it at the Paraphilia article or at the List of paraphilias article, and leave it at that. Looking in the edit history, I see that that Drmies has also edited this topic. Drmies, do you have any opinion on this matter? Flyer22 (talk) 15:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oooooh that list--my involvement, if I remember, is somewhat limited--I pruned the contributions of someone who invented a million paraphilias (someone with a lively imagination) and wrote them all up in a Bangladesh-published book or something like that, and then added them to our article. Somnophilia...is this something I want to try? Drmies (talk) 16:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)


 * LOL, yes, I remember our involvement on that matter, Drmies. I was definitely in agreement with you on how odd it was that Anil Aggrawal labeled normal sexual interests "paraphilias." I don't think it was Aggrawal who added them all to the Wikipedia list, though. By the way, James, if you are wondering if I followed you here from this matter at the Hypersexuality article, I did not. The Somnophilia article was already on my WP:Watchlist, but I can't remember exactly when I put it on there. Maybe it was some time after a big phobia article cleanup matter involving me, PlanetStar, AndyTheGrump, Srleffler, Wiki CRUK John, NikosGouliaros, WhatamIdoing, Stuartyeates, Dougweller and Doc James. Maybe one or more of them have something to state about this somnophilia matter or even the Hypersexuality article. Flyer22 (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Several news sources. or without Cosby. And books.. Dougweller (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, Flyer. I know you follow many of the sexology pages, and I am very glad that you do!  In case it's useful, the NYTimes article spawned several other media pieces.  This one, just out from Arise News, could also be used: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9gfbLFt_N0  — James Cantor (talk) 20:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Additional sources

 * Some additional sources at links above. :) Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Some additional sources at links above. :) Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Cirt, thank you for significantly expanding the article, and with appropriate sources. Great job. How did you come across this article? Does it (your coming across it) have anything to do with the section immediately above this one? Flyer22 (talk) 19:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for complimenting me on my recent Quality improvement project on this article, most appreciated!!! I was researching a case study of Somnophilia and decided to improve the Wikipedia article on the subject matter after coming across this article and seeing the prior version before my Quality improvement project cited only one (1) source and also had a bit of unsourced info and was previously a stub. Thanks again for your kind words, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Relation to acquaintance rape and pornography
James Cantor, this article recently popping back up on my WP:Watchlist and my reverting the latest problematic edits to it after that reminded me that I've been meaning to address this topic's relationship to acquaintance rape and pornography. Or rape in general and pornography. By this, I mean that, as you know, some people have been raped while asleep, whether by a stranger or by an acquaintance, and whether or not they stayed asleep during the entire sexual assault. In the case of acquaintance rape, for example, some women have stated that their boyfriends or husbands would, or try to, have sex with them while asleep; in certain cases, this was so that the man could carry out a sexual request that is usually denied to him by the girlfriend or wife, such as anal sex and/or oral sex. The anal sex aspect is very common, as the Google search "Tried to have anal sex with me while asleep" aspect shows (that search also shows men admitting to having sex with their girlfriends or wives while the women are asleep). These matters, and the consensual cases (where the man has the girlfriend or wife's permission), clearly involve sexual arousal on the part of the male. But how would we classify these matters with regard to somnophilia since they are more so opportunistic...as in being committed by an opportunistic or situational offender (or just an opportunistic person in the case of the consensual cases)? That is, unless the person is actually a somnophiliac. And as for pornography, there is a market that caters to this type of act: Sex with people while they are asleep. Given that pornography has had a significant effect on normalizing or mainstreaming some sexual acts (for example, various researchers have stated that the increased interest in anal sex among heterosexual couples is significantly, though not solely, due to pornography, and that anal sex was far from close to the norm years back; see the last paragraph of this section), one can validly wonder what impact normalizing "sex with people while they are asleep" is having.

I also see that we currently have some rape links in the See also section of this article, which we should, given the article's content and context. Flyer22 (talk) 12:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)