Talk:Son Goku

Space uniform
I saw Gokuh on his space uniform while he was replacing the plate with glue on the spaceship gravity chamber while going to Namek. Also, there should be a picture added in here. People need to be aware of the great show that changed a lot of people's lives. --Cyberman 03:17, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Should I make a note of this?

"The name is often misromanized as Son Gokou" (And indeed it is; I've seen that on the net) WhisperToMe 06:56, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

There is also a Son Goku (Dragon Ball) article (longer)! Marc Mongenet 01:36, 2004 Jul 23 (UTC)

Merge...
This "article" about the Japanese pronunciation of the name of a character in a Chinese novel seems to be entirely and anime/manga disambig page that goes into too much detail. The interwiki links to Dutch, Japanese and Portuguese Wikipedias deal with the Dragon Ball character, the Chinese legend and the Dragon Ball character, respectively. Either it should be merged (although simply making to redirect would be just as good) into Sun Wukong or Son Goku (Dragon Ball) should be merged here, as it concerns the overwhelmingly more common use of the term in English. If no one presents any arguments against me, I will go ahead and make this page into a redirect in 1 week (if I remember). elvenscout742 15:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a better merge might be "Son Goku" into "Son Wukong", since those two are related, whereas "Son Goku (Dragon Ball)" is not. Deleting the "Son Goku" article is another solution, of course. Daishokaioshin 06:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The pages shouldn't be merged at all, leave them as they are. Son of Kong 1:44 AM


 * Hmm, I see your point, Elvenscout, but at the same time, looking at the Son Goku (Dragon Ball) article, I'm still not convinced that a merge would necessarily be a good idea. The Goku DBZ article is already enormous as is, and I think merging the content of this article would only serve to disrupt its focus on the singular DBZ character to a much more general article on anime characters using the name "Son Goku," but spending the majority of the discussion on the famous DBZ character.  While the article here is certainly, as you say, more or less an overly long disambiguation page, I think it serves its function in informing the reader on the larger history behind the name "Son Goku" without disrupting the focus of the DBZ Son Goku article.  Thus, I would recommend keeping things as is.

(Edit: Actually, Daishokaioshin may have the right idea with merging "Son Goku" into "Son Wukong," and then just making Son Goku redirect appropriately.) Ridan Krad 10:32 AM, 4 April 2006 (PST)

The Sun Wukong article makes mention of what's in this article, to a lesser degree, and with inks to appropriate articles. I think this article doesn't really need to exist. Onikage725 21:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that this article should be merged with Sun Wukong, NOT the one in Dragon Ball. The reason being is that, while Goku from DBZ is an anime character, Sun Goku and Sun Wukong are essentially the same character, just pronounced in different names in the Japanese version. Does Wikipedia need an article for EVERY Japanese word, even if it is a proper noun of an existing article? I don't think so. Observation 08:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have proposed a merge of this page into Sun Wukong, with the reasons given by Elvenscout742 above. ian-Kiu-Biu 06:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * i agree with the merge, as to the reasons given by Observation
 * Z3u2 22:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed the merge tag. After going through the contents of this article and the Sun Wukong article, I suggest renaming this article to Son Goku (Saiyuki), making it parallel to Cho Hakkai (Saiyuki) and Son Goku (Dragon Ball). The Alakzam the Great stuff, among others, should be removed, for the reasons given by Onikage725 above. ian-Kiu 06:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have merged the son goku stuff over there, this page have no reason to stay, with no ref. If ever a new page should be created, it should be Other Fictional appearance of Sun Wukong or Series referencing Sun Wukong with the whole list there moved to the new page. MythSearchertalk 17:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

A Worm in Journey to the West
Something is wrong with the page about Journey to the West. Whenever I try to access it, my computer says that a worm attempted to access my computer. After that, the pictures on Wikipedia don't load properly unless I restart my computer. I would put this comment on on The Journey to the West page, but I'm scared that going back to it might mess up my computer. Its possible that there might just be something wrong with my computer, but I think someone should should check the Journey to the West page and make sure that its working properly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.196.242.114 (talk • contribs).
 * I had no problem with the page. Note that I am under Linux, with Firewall but without antivirus, so I can't guess what is triggering such alarm. -- ReyBrujo 03:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Goku redirect dispute
Just recently, the redirect page (Goku) was redirected to this article. I think it would be most suitable if Goku was redirected to Son Goku (Dragon Ball) instead of Son Goku because most of the articles that link to the Goku redirect page is intended for Son Goku (Dragon Ball) only, not several other characters named Son Goku. Just look at what links to Goku - most (if not all) pages that link to Goku is intended for the Dragon Ball Goku only. S GF  F  (If  you're  stressed, then count to ten and have a cup of  coffee  with Esperanza.) 01:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Hopefully it changes by the time you read this but out of all the amazing pictures and shots of goku in 276 episodes of DBZ alone, this one doesn't even look like him. He's wearing a plain blue shirt which he never does, his neck is fat and wide like he has a thyroid problem, thats not how he usually looks, and it looks like Puar's ear or something in in the picture. Please someone find me a good picture, i'll look for one i dont' care just that has to get changed.

Monkey King
The thing is that the Monkey King (i.e. the character from the original Classical Chinese novel Journey to the West) is called/named "Son Goku" in Japanese. (If you look at the Monkey King page, and look on the right where it gives his name in hiragana, it reads "son gokuu".)

See also, for instance, this item from the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. There are many other such examples: here is a Yoshitoshi print from 1882 with Son Goku in it.

So it's entirely reasonable to include the Wikipedia article about that character (The Monkey King) as one possible meaning for "Son Goku". Now, the page about that character happens to be filed under Sun Wukong - the Chinese name for that character; but there's nothing I can do about that. (And that's probably the right call anyway, since that is the character's name in the original language of the original novel.)

Anyway, someone who's looking at that MFA item, or that print, or any of a vast number of similar Japanese items, and wants to know who "Songoku" is, and comes here to this page is not likely (unless they happen to know classical Chinese literature well - i.e. not likely) to recognize that a "See Also" entry for "Sun Wukong" is anything to do with the "Son Goku" they are looking for.

Hence my entry:


 * Son Goku The Monkey King (Sun Wukong in Chinese)

which seemed to me to be the best way to deal with the fact that one meaning of "Son Goku" is the Monkey King character from 'Journey to the West' - and link to the Wikipedia page for that character.

Your edit comment "this goes against the very essence of MoS:DAB" is rather ironic, in light of this extract from MoS:DAB:

"''for every style recommendation above, there may be pages in which a good reason exists to use another way; so ignore these guidelines if doing so will be more helpful to readers than following them."

It would seem to me that the entry I added is precisely "more helpful to readers", for the reasons given above - because Sun Goku really is his name. Noel (talk) 03:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Although I didn't agree with his revert, the policy seemed pretty solid at the time. But now that you have pointed this out, there is not reason why it shouldn't be changed back. I'll do that right now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghostexorcist (talk • contribs)


 * I'm not trying to start a fight here. When it comes to disambiguation, I am a stickler for the rules. Does it look better now? We can't mask links like Jnc did before, that's why I have made a compromised edit just now. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Doing it with the redirect works fine for me.


 * PS: In general, being an absolute stickler for the rules inevitably winds up doing something silly - like sending a person for jail for life for stealing a $.50 candy bar. Common sense really is needed to limit the application of any rule - as the MoS:DAB specifically calls for. Noel (talk) 05:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry for barging in, but shouldn't the entry be more specific that it is the Japanese pronunciation of the kanji for Sun Wukong? The or seems to be rather odd in describing something that should be the origin of the two. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  01:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Not for disambiguation pages, which are only used for navigational purposes. Leave explanations to the articles. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I mean something like * Son Goku (Journey to the West) Japanese pronunciation of Sun Wukong, the main character in Journey to the West media. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 03:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I'd call it a "pronunciation". The thing is that the same ideogram may be read completely differently in Chinese and Japanese, just like the symbol "3" is read 'three' in English, and 'trois' in French - I wouldn't really call that a 'different pronunciation'. It's the exact same thing with Chinese and Japanese - a given character can mean the same thing in both languages, but stand for completely different words. Noel (talk) 05:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * This is the same character (the monkey king) and is originated in China, it should be rather safe to call it a Japanese pronunciation of the kanji(or more accurate, Chinese characters in this case). —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  06:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Only if you think "trois" is the 'pronuciation' of "3" in French... Most people would consider 'three' and 'trois' to be separate words (albeit ones with the same meaning); it's not a pronunciation difference. Similarly, the ideogram 三 ("three") is read as 'san' in Chinese (roughly; I'm not showing the tonal stuff), but 'mi' in Japanese.
 * Oh, and the names of many of the entities in Journey to the West are written with slightly different characters in Japanese and Chinese. Although many (most?) characters are the same (graphically) in Japanese and Chinese, there are some that differ (i.e. there are kanji characters which do not exist in written Chinese) - and also some which are the same graphically, but have different meanings! Kanji and Chinese characters are not, in fact, exactly the same thing.... Noel (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)