Talk:Sonata in C major for piano four-hands, D 812 (Schubert)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 05:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 05:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC) 
 * @Whiteguru: thanks, appreciating your effort & looking forward to see your review. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I know little about the "GA" scheme, but how on earth could this be considered a good article (in English, not WP:GOBBLEDYGOOK) when it has no samples of the score. I'm pretty sure the Schubert duet I do know is in F, but I can't check anything from this. Imaginatorium (talk) 06:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I started Commons:Category:D 812 – Sonata in C major for piano four-hands ("Grand Duo"), Op. 140, adding an image to it (feel free to add more which may be eligible for the EN-WP article!), which I have now inserted into the article. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Now added a score example (Joachim's orchestration: start of first movement) to the article too. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)



Lede

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * This work was published nine years after the composer's death;
 * more readily appreciated as a piano piece with orchestral effects is an important inclusion given modern renditions of this op.

History

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * The Deutsch catalogue lists three compositions, all for piano four-hands, which Schubert composed during his first couple of months in Zseliz;
 * Hints at days of unrequited love;
 * Finito: his only public concert after the passing of Beethoven;

Movements

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * music meter for 2 / 2 does not render well. Unfortunately there appears to be no html entity for 2/2 meter . (Or any other time signature)
 * (nothing can be done about this.)

Reception

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * The matter of the missing symphony is mentioned: the Gmunden-Gastein Symphony;

19th century

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * Schumann raises the matter of symphony succinctly;
 * The reminiscences of Beethoven are noted;
 * Orchestrated versions are noted.

20th century

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * The need for orchestration begins to be validated;
 * (Later) validated criticism arises: 'Schubert's Sonata was void of pianistic characteristics'
 * The piano duet version of D 812 is listed by varia performers with times;
 * Chamber and Symphony orchestral presentations are noted;

21st century

 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * Pianists recording the Grand Duo in the 21st century are noted;
 * modern exegesis does not reflect well: androgyny, the femininity alluded to by Schumann
 * reflections are included: the idea that Schubert would have unconsciously written for orchestra while composing the Sonata.

End Matter
* Francis Schonken * Graham1973 * Hyperman * JackofOz * Nemo bis
 * 1) Is it is Broad in its coverage?
 * Quite so. Many external references cite: Schubert’s Symphony in C Major was originally written as a Sonata in C Major for piano four-hands, D. 812, and remains one of Schubert’s most important works for two pianists. .
 * 1) Is it Verifiable with no original research?
 * Extensively referenced with multiple sources.
 * 1) Does the article meet notability guidelines?
 * Yes
 * 1) Does it follow WP:NPOV Neutral Point of View?
 * Yes
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * This article started life on 12 July 2006;
 * It has a total of 369 edits;
 * 1146 page views over 90 days;
 * Minor edit warring is noted during 2020
 * 1) Top editors are
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * This article started life on 12 July 2006;
 * It has a total of 369 edits;
 * 1146 page views over 90 days;
 * Minor edit warring is noted during 2020
 * 1) Top editors are
 * Minor edit warring is noted during 2020
 * 1) Top editors are
 * 1) Top editors are
 * 1) Top editors are


 * 1) It is illustrated by images ?
 * Lede image: is given into the public domain by the copyright holder;
 * History image: is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported;
 * Movements image: photographic reproduction of a two-dimensional, public domain work of art in the public domain;
 * Grand Duo cover: is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer.
 * Joachim's orchestration: is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer.
 * Gold and Fizdale photograph - there are no known copyright restrictions, and conforms to the collection's wishes.

Overall

 * Extensive coverage of what is called the most important work of Schubert for four hands; well referenced and sourced. Meticulous attention to MOS.

Conclusion

 * --Whiteguru (talk) 01:54, 26 February 2021 (UTC)