Talk:Sonia Chadwick Hawkes/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Caeciliusinhorto (talk · contribs) 09:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I will review this article Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 09:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Okay, everything looks like it is supported by citations to reliable sources. In spotchecking references, I find:
 * Christopher joined Sonia at Longbridge Deverill for the final season of excavation in 1960, which Paul Ashbee described as a "honeymoon joint enterprise". I don't have any reason to doubt this, but the Ashbee source does not explicitly date this to 1960 or support that it was the final season at the site.
 * Good catch, there was a reference for that extra detail which was missing, Hawkes 1994. The quote is The excavation of the site, directed for the then Ministry of Works, took over a series of seasons from 1956 to 1960, during which year I was assisted by my late husband Professor Christopher Hawkes. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * A major piece of work on Late Roman zoomorphic belt fittings, "Soldiers and settlers", prompted much debate – this needs a secondary source; as does describing the paper as "influential".
 * I've added a reference to the obituary by Welch, and removed the primary source. I've also removed "influential", since while I think that can be gathered from the description in the obituary it's perhaps just a little beyond what it says. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Sonia collaborated with her husband, Christopher Hawkes, as a researcher and they co-edited Greeks, Celts and Romans and Christopher contributed a section to Sonia's article on the Finglesham Man. Christopher's health began declining in the 1980s, and around this time Sonia and he spent time travelling in Europe. – that she collaborated with Christopher Hawkes on an article on the Finglesham man isn't in Ashbee. You should be able to just cite this to the article in question, though, I imagine.
 * Ashbee mentions Greeks, Celts and Romans, so I've duplicated that reference closer to that bit of text and added Hawkes, Davidson & Hawkes 1965 to reference that the Hawkeses worked together on that. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The British Council webpage on Landscape of the Megaliths (currently ref 25) seems to be for a different work than the one which was dedicated to Hawkes; the one illustrated in Nicholas Hawkes' article is this one, which the V&A dates to 1937, not this 1934 work which at any rate is oil-on-canvas, not a lithograph.
 * I'm kicking myself for not spotting that. It was staring me in the face. Anyway, I've swapped the British Council reference for the V&M. The intention was to give readers a look at the picture if they want. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Other comments:


 * Per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV the description of Hawkes as a "discerning systematiser of the great array of Anglo-Saxon grave furnishings" needs attribution; I also don't see why there's a citation to the Welch obit as well as Ashbee after it.
 * I've clarified in the text that the quote comes from Ashbee. With Welch, that more accurately cover the start of the sentence (that Hawkes was a leading authority in Anglo-Saxon archaeology) so I've shifted the reference earlier so it doesn't look like it relates to the quote. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Images are all fine – the photo of Hawkes has an acceptable fair use rationale and I cannot find a free alternative; the others are freely licensed. Nothing obviously missing from the article. I didn't find any issues with copyvio in my spotchecks, and Earwig doesn't see anything either. No issues with neutrality or stability.

The following are minor details, none of which are strictly required by the GA criteria:


 * "post-graduate", "re-assessing" – any reason for the hyphen? I wouldn't, and nor does the OED.
 * My own personal quirks there, and I probably change whether their hyphenated in my own writing on a regular basis. I've removed the hyphens as the OED is a good standard to work to. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * "appointed Curator of Scunthorpe Museum" – per MOS:JOBTITLES, "curator" should be lowercase here.
 * Now lowercase. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:" you should be using double-quotation marks rather than single quotation marks in several instances – at any rate you should be consistent: you use both double and single quotes at different places for both quoted text and work titles.
 * I've fixed one instance, and will look into what to do with the conference title (Problems relating to the Iron Age in Southern Britain). Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The conference title is now in quotation marks, and I think the usage is now consistent. Richard Nevell (talk) 16:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Titled artworks are considered major works by MOS:ITALICTITLE, and so Landscape of the Megaliths should be italicised rather than in quotation marks.
 * Now in italics. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Generally this seems to be pretty close to GA standard; I have a few quibbles about sourcing but assuming they are all cleared up I imagine this should be pretty easy to promote. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to read the article and give it a thorough check. It's handy to have another pair of eyes on the article. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Your changes all look good, and I'm not seeing any other issues on a second look through. Congratulations – I'm happy to promote this to GA Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Richard Nevell (talk) 19:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)