Talk:Sonia Gandhi/Archive 3

Completely Biased Article
This article keeps in line with authoritarianism of the UPA. Its a shame that even in a wiki page we are not informed even about the "alleged" malpractices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.134.56.85 (talk) 11:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I support the proposal! Controversies section has to be added!

Why Wikipedia is also hiding her educational background.........??? How the hell is happening this bullshit in our country? This lady really deserves only one title that is W...e -- unknown user 22:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Education
what the fu*k is this..why this article is protected... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.215.135.199 (talk) 15:12, 26 August 2012 (UTC) Can someone write on her educational qualifications, such as 10th grade pass 11th grade pass or which ever applies to her? We need to know the educational backround of our honourable leader. 128.233.111.111 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I support the proposal! Controversies section has to be added!

Sonia khan gave a sworn affidavit as a Candidate that She Studied English at University of Cambridge. According to Cambridge University, there is no such Student EVER! Upon a Case by Dr. Subramaniyam Swami filed against her, She subsequently dropped the CAMBRIDGE CREDENTIAL from her Affidavit. Sonia Gandhi didn't even pass High School. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.7.168 (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Controversy section
Why is there no Controversy section for this person ? Why is it removed. Why should the wiki authors behave authoritarian ? This is against wiki policy. A controversy section should be allowed ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nithya (talk • contribs) 12:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I forgot to mention in my edit summaries, but I have integrated the criticism of the subject into the article, as WP:CSECTION suggests. Thank you.  Yes Michael? •Talk 20:48, 13 May 2011 (UTC) she is big revolutionary woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.230.144.184 (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I support the proposal! Controversies section has to be added!


 * Yes, controversies section has to be added back! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.137.52 (talk) 14:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This article NEEDS a controversy section. If any more objections to even LISTING controversies are raised, it would be easy to start imagining some underhanded hush-them-up deals to going on. milindsmart (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT - After reading the POV guidelines, it seems Controversy sections are not encouraged. I do not agree with this principle. I do not see any way of including BOTH positive and negative points in the same topic, because in this case at least, her achievements and other positive points are in different domains as against controversies involving her. Should we have a separate section titled "Education" and fill in all the disputed material there? I do not see how its any different, but if that's the right way to do it, so be it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milindsmart (talk • contribs) 03:15, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

COMPLETE ABSENCE of ANYTHING even remotely against Sonia in this article
The article seems totally protected by Coterie who have authority in wiki. Whilst allegations are present, they should be included in the page. Allegations are allegations. They have not been objected and whilst incriminations are not acceptable, it would only be fair and right to publish allegations. I have made my point ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nithya (talk • contribs) 12:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Even articles like Gandhi, Mandela and 14th Dalai Lama have e ntire sections and subsections dealing with controversies, criticisms, and yes, even UNPROVEN ALLEGATIONS. But no, not this one. Sonia Gandhi has been a poster girl for controversies, criticisms, corruption, illegal wealth and several such issues in India. In its current form, this article is nothing but POV-pushing B.S. and a joke. It seems some Sonia-loving editors have managed to hijack this article and are on some sort of mission to keep it COMPLETELY BIASED and free from even a shred of neutrality. Funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.3.77.210 (talk) 04:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * See the last section in this talk page; WP:CSECTION. The criticism is integrated into the article, I can pick out the sentences for you if that is a problem for you. Also see Yeddyurappa and L.K. Advani, where there is no criticism section. I am sorry to hear you feel this is humorous in any way.  Lynch 7  18:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, so the "her detractors called her renunciation a political stunt", the one sentences about how she got into the voter rolls in 1983 without even being an Indian citizen and the one phrase "office-of-profit controversy" is what you call your "criticism integrated throughout the article"?! You're making me laugh again. But what about the real issues and the biggest controversies to have dogged her? CORRUPTION allegations (EVEN IF they are allegations, the prominent/good articles I mentioned also have enough numbers of such "allegations"; in fact MOST controversies related to politicians/celebrities across the world are almost always invariably termed as "unproven allegations"; after all, nobody's holding his breath for the day "concrete incontrovertible proof" emerges that Lawrence of Arabia was indeed homosexual or Lewis Carroll was indeed a paedophile or the 14th Dalai Lama is indeed a CIA agent etc etc etc ... and yet all these articles mention these "controversies/allegations" prominently), education controversies (such as the incident in which she claimed on her election form and Parliamentary website that she was "Cambridge-educated" without bothering to clarify that "learning English from some private language school in the town of Cambridge" does not quite mean "Cambridge-educated", her accepting the Order of Leopold from the Belgian monarch and the resulting controversies, the supposed undue influence her Italian family members and relatives have enjoyed with the Indian government with more attendant corruption controversies, the reports of amassing billions in ILLEGAL WEALTH (from independent/neutral/international news agencies in case you wish to discredit Indian media as being biased), yada yada, the list is endless (some South Indian politician called Swamy maintains an entire dossier, with pointers to enough references and evidence). And by the way, just because Yeddyurappa and L. K. Advani happen to be poorly written / pathetic articles gives no justification why so should this one be. Also, compare and contrast the ones you named with the more prominent and "good articles" I mentioned. In any case, Sonia khan is a much more important and prominent person/article compared to Yeddyurappa or Advani and this article certainly deserves to be better than the joke it currently is. As for my "funny" remark, try looking up "sarcasm" in the dictionary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.3.77.210 (talk) 04:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of important differences between the articles that you mention and this one. First and foremost, Sonia Gandhi is covered by our WP:BLP policies while neither Lawrence of Arabia nor Lewis Carroll are. The standards for admissibility of allegations in a blp are much higher than for biographies in general. Second, there are numerous scholarly works that discuss the sexuality of Lawrence of A and Lewis Carroll while there are none that discuss the issues re Sonia Gandhi that you bring up in your post above. One should not expect to find an apple core inside an orange. --rgpk (comment) 15:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * So you conveniently mention Lawrence of Arabia and Lewis Carroll while ignoring Mandela and 14th Dalai Lama both of whom are living persons. (And incidentally, both of whom are much more prominent and important persons - and articles - than either of the Indian politicians from Sonia to Advani mentioned here.) I can mention approximately 50 more living person biographical wiki articles to support my case but I guess its useless teaching pigs to sing. Secondly, no, I am not asking for a dedicated/specific "criticism" section (whatever gave you that idea?!) but more proper coverage of her criticism and controversies in the article. (Ugh, I cannot believe I have to be so pedantic with you guys; use your brains, please.) Thirdly, there is enough scholarly work and documentary evidence regarding the controversies I have mentioned as well, Google is your friend. In any case, any edit introducing such material will have to be backed up with enough citations of references, otherwise you have enough justification (and feel free) to remove such content from the article. But as I have already said, EVEN without volumes of scholarly work or incontrovertible evidence, "unproven allegations" appear in PROMINENT/GOOD biographical articles about living persons all the time, and there is no reason why this one should be any different. 202.3.77.210 (talk) 05:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * There is a good reason why Criticism sections are discouraged, one of them being that it is a magnet for vandals. Mr. Swamy's allegations have been the topic of discussion here before, and you are encouraged to look for the relevant discussions here on this page. As for sarcasm, I use enough of it to get a Master's degree in it; so there.  Lynch 7  17:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Read the above regarding how I don't care at all about any "criticism section". As for Swamy's allegations on THIS TALK PAGE, I have seen enough of it. The whole point is to get some of it into the article to at least give it a vestige of neutrality! As for your supposed "masters degree", HA HA, don't even try intimidating me with your pathetic educational qualifications. Feel free to do a whois IP lookup on my IP address and see for yourself where I come from. 202.3.77.210 (talk) 05:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This page is against wikipedia nuetrality guidelines and seems like a promotional article. There is documented proof of Sonia inheriting Swiss bank account of Rajiv khan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.31.186.119 (talk) 10:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Long story short; when are we adding the Criticism section? Verynerd (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I support the proposal! Controversies section has to be added!

Too Autobiographical?
I wonder if the section on Honours and Awards is too autobiographical. Forbes listing is OK, but should we include the others? Comments please.  Lynch 7  20:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing is too autobiographical. Biography is nothing but everything that covers one whole life from a period of time. If Manmohan Singh (PM India), Kofi Annan's, Amartya Sen, Ban ki-Moon's article can contain all their honors, awards, prizes and their honorary doctorates and listing in magazines then so can for Sonia Gandhi. She is as renowned as any leader in any part of the world and deserves justice on her biography article in Wikipedia. If she does not get to list her honors then that standard should be applied to all leaders of the world.
 * Point noted.  Lynch 7  09:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I support the proposal! Controversies section has to be added!

In response to "If Manmohan Singh (PM India), Kofi Annan's, Amartya Sen, Ban ki-Moon's article can contain all their honors, awards, prizes and their honorary doctorates and listing in magazines then so can for Sonia Gandhi," I would say that what an article "could" include and what it should include are often entirely different. I would go as far as including honorary doctorates. But listings in magazine articles? Only if they are specifically used as source material for the article, they belong in the footnoted references. But just to list every appearance in a magazine article is normally as relevant to a famous person's biography as listing every hair on their head.Daqu (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

But if EVERYTHING is supposed to be included, then where is Uncle Quattrocci, Maino family's unprecedented growth through Indian antiques businesses in Europe despite never visiting India, false claims of a Cambridge degree before election commission of India, keeping Italian citizenship for long time despite taking Indian citizenship on and the series of tragedies that happen to anyone who comes close to this personality (i.e., Indira, Rajiv, MadhavraoScindia, RajeshPilot, RobertVadra's entire family except his soniatic mother). Oh, they dont support the christian, oops again, Wikipedian POV called NPOV? ISNT IT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.98.214.212 (talk) 14:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Please define citizenship of Sonia Gandhi?
Wether she is citizen of INDIA or ITALY? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohitkr05 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the infobox in the article, she is a citizen of India. --rgpk (comment) 20:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

A citizen of India, who did not renouce her Italian citizenship until over a decade later (as she took the entire family to Italian consulate during 71 war), which should have technically disqualified her to remain an Indian citizen; but for the vehement support she recieves from the missionaries like those on Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.98.214.212 (talk) 14:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

controversies section missing from the article
an important aspect of the article the controversies sections seems to be missing. sonia khan is involved in many controversies regarding her education regarding aiding sumgling of ancient artifacts for her siblings custom shop GANAPATI in italy. alleged connections with kgb. black money controversies this article thus has not been written from a neutralpoint of view but rather as a promotional article.Necessary changes sholud be made to make this article better. Isptraack (talk) 08:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal life - editing required
I strongly object to the description of Sonia Gandhi as a practising Christian when there is no evidence whatsoever that she has attended a single church service after her marriage to Rajiv Gandhi. She also married Rajiv Gandhi in a Hindu ceremony, not in a church (this goes against Catholicism's Canon Law). Neither of their children were baptised in any church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.214.233 (talk) 16:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Controversies

Numerous controversies about her, many of them raised by Dr Subramanium Swamy of Janatha Party President, who also exposed the 2G scam.

For details refer following are some of the sources: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/subramanian-swamy-s-allegations-against-sonia-and-rahul-gandhi-read-full-statement-287339 http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-01/india/34856534_1_rahul-gandhi-congress-general-secretary-sonia-gandhi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_q9WAbQq08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjdFujlVwo also following website has multiple references http://janataparty.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.60.44 (talk) 03:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Photographs
The various photos of Sonia khan show at least two significantly different skin colors.

Let me say that I don't care what skin color someone has, and I think it is normally irrelevant to a person's biography or their Wikipedia entry. BUT: I also think that photoshopped photos, like false statements, have no place in Wikipedia.

The official-looking photo at the upper right of the article (above the basic data box) looks to me especially suspicious: her skin color is amazingly like one typically Indian skin color (among many), and not like a typical Italian skin color (among not as many). In any case, the photos showing her meeting with Hillary Clinton and with Dmitry Medvedev show a much lighter and more typically Italian skin color.

(Or, maybe she used some kind of skin-color-changing makeup or other means to alter her skin color -- I don't know.) Daqu (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a big issue : she is a major politician and we should accept that images will be chosen and/or modified to best meet the needs of whatever party is publishing the image. Obviously the more Indian she looks in an image the better for her party. Nothing to do with Race, just sensible marketing. The reality is that most photographs of public personalities available online are "adjusted" in some way. Anyway, no single photograph captures the "real" person : lighting conditions, time of day, indoor/outdoor, the person's state of health at that moment, etc can produce very different images. Rcbutcher (talk) 10:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

In summary after all the science explained, Mr Rcbutcher agrees that when it comes to CHRISTIAN POV or EUROPEAN POV, NPOV can take a backseat and Wikipedia is allowed to become a platform for 'marketing' by a political party. HEHEHE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.98.214.212 (talk) 14:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

[I have moved the following one-line unsigned (in the sense of Wikipedia member or IP address) comment so that it does not cut my comment into two pieces. Mine (of 23 December 2012) begins with "The various photos . . ."Daqu (talk) 04:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC)]

It seems likely that one or more of Sonia khan's have been photoshopped to alter her apparent skin color. sonia khan son rajiv khan.

Religion in Infobox
Infobox should mention her religion as Catholicism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.143.113.153 (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

The citation for claiming that Sonia Gandhi is a Christian - citation 42 "Conspirator history of Christianity against Hinduism" is a dead link. please remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkphilip (talk • contribs) 17:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

MORE INFO ON TALK PAGE ABOUT TRUTH THAT ON ARTICLE ITSELF
Can someone write on the main article page that there is more information on the talk page, lol, about this controversial poster girl of christian triumph in India; than on the actual talk page for obvious, lol, NPOV, lmao, reasons that WIKIPEDIA aka BRITOPEDIA aka EURO-view-INDO-ridiculopedia practices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.98.214.212 (talk) 14:48, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 April 2013
Everybody in this nature is a purified `YOGI`, when they are in the womb of a mother; it is a sanctuary place of worship to all, Yesu, Gandhi, Tagore, Vivekananda, Adi sankarulu extra were came from that mother`s womb and man

117.198.148.141 (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 May 2013
to - soniya gandhi oggetto - per incontrare a lei spett - new delhi

signora, con la presente voglio che mi siano  concessi in contrare a lei. io mi chiamo abhishek  kumar  sono del bihar ma abito  a munirika  abito  a delhi  da  due anni. sto studiando .sono uno studente all istituto italiano di cultura livello b2. ho venti quattro anni. sto cercando un lavoro non ho esperienza qualsiasi lavoro. se ha qualsiasi lavoro mi da una possibilita  per favore , se mi da una possibilita  faccio del mio meglio

distinti saluti ABHISHEK KUMAR202.41.10.3 (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 May 2013
to - soniya gandhi oggetto - per incontrare a lei spett - new delhi

signora, con la presente voglio che mi siano  concessi in contrare a lei. io mi chiamo abhishek  kumar  sono del bihar ma abito  a munirika  abito  a delhi  da  due anni. sto studiando .sono uno studente all istituto italiano di cultura livello b2. ho venti quattro anni. sto cercando un lavoro non ho esperienza qualsiasi lavoro. se ha qualsiasi lavoro mi da una possibilita  per favore , se mi da una possibilita  faccio del mio meglio

distinti saluti ABHISHEK KUMAR202.41.10.3 (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 June 2013
Psridharan910 (talk) 23:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. No request was made. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 23:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 June 2013
Reference [42] is a dead link, without a credible source I suggest the statement be deleted.

Edilbert.fernando (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I added a dead link template because an archived version might be found. I also found two more sources to support the statement so it can stay. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Controversy section
When every single world leader has a controversy section which gives an indication of criminal offenses and alleged offense, why are WIKI denying such a section on Edvige Antonia Albina Maino?

Surely you are selectively denying the exposure of such information for your own political reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.31.229 (talk) 20:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I added a section header here to separate it from the post above, I have no opinion on the question you raised. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Lack of controversy section is a good thing. It shows that the leader has spotless clean record. Based on their intelligence people can make inferences about what such a record means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.243.164.174 (talk) 07:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Political Career Section
Under the Congress President section, there is a picture of Sonia Gandhi with Russian Prime Minister Dimitri Medvedev; he is incorrectly labeled as the Russian President.68.111.128.110 (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * He was President of Russia from 2008 to 2012, which is when this snap is taken. Have clarified that. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 07:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Religion
We must have a reliable source saying that Gandhi herself states she is a Christian. Do not add sources that use gossip, speculation, political opponents, etc. -- Neil N   talk to me  15:11, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 August 2013
Please add this info

https://www.facebook.com/notes/gaurab-banerji/who-is-sonia-gandhi-every-indian-should-know-this-/2359882076279

12.192.226.6 (talk) 19:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No. A Facebook page is not a reliable source. -- Neil N   talk to me  19:09, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Request permission to add a few accomplishments of Sonia Gandhi
I would like to add an accomplishments section and I request permission for it. Thanks. Sampathpeechu (talk) 03:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC) Falsification of personal details 125.16.91.5 (talk) 10:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC) First, her real name is Antonia not Sonia. This was revealed by the Italian Ambassador in New Delhi in a letter dated April 27, 1983 to the Union Home Ministry which letter has not been made public. Antonia is Sonia’s real name as stated in her birth certificate. Second, Sonia was not born in Orbassano as she claims in her bio data submitted to Parliament on becoming MP, but in Luciana as stated in her birth certificate. Third, Sonia Gandhi has not studied beyond High School. But she has falsely claimed in her sworn affidavit filed as a contesting candidate before the Rae Bareli Returning Officer in the 2004 Lok Sabha elections, that she qualified and got a diploma in English from the prestigious University of Cambridge, UK.

Earlier, in 1999 in her biographical data given under her signature to the Lok Sabha Secretariat and which was published in Parliament’s Who’s Who, she had made the same false claim. But later she wrote to the Lok Sabha Speaker, after Swamy had pointed it out to him in a written complaint of a Breach of Ethics of the Lok Sabha, that it was a “typing mistake”. Strange but true.

Scindia episode Madhavrao Scindia and a German by name Stiegler are worth mentioning as other good friends of Sonia. Madhavrao’s friendship continued even after Sonia’s marriage to Rajiv. In later years, Madhavrao had become privately critical of Sonia, and told some close friends about his apprehensions about her. It is a pity that he died in mysterious circumstances in an as yet uninvestigated aircrash of his private plane in the year 2001. Mani Shankar Aiyar and Shiela Dikshit were to be on that flight too, but were asked to stay behind at the last moment.

Swiss bank accounts A stunning exposure on Sonia khan’s secret billions in Swiss banks came, surprisingly, from Switzerland itself, where the world’s corrupt stash away their booty. In its issue of November 19, 1991, Schweizer Illustrierte, the most popular magazine of Switzerland, did an exposé of over a dozen politicians of the third world, including Rajiv Gandhi, who had stashed away their bribe monies in Swiss banks. Schweizer Illustrierte, not a rag, sells some 2,15,000 copies and has a readership of 9,17,000 — almost a sixth of Swiss adult population. Citing the newly opened KGB records, the magazine reported ‘that Sonia Gandhi the widow of the former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was controlling secret account with 2.5 billion Swiss Francs (equal to $2.2 billion) in her minor son’s name’. The $2.2 billion account must have existed from before June 1988 when Rahul Gandhi attained majority. y any calculation the present size of the $2.2 billion secret funds of the family in Swiss banks seems huge — anywhere between Rs 43,000 plus to some Rs 84,000 crore!

KGB records Another expose emanating from the archives of the Russian spy outfit KGB, is far more serious. It says that the Gandhi family has accepted political pay-offs from the KGB — a clear case of treason besides bribe. In her book The State Within a State: The KGB and its Hold on Russia-Past, Present, and Future, Yevgenia Albats, an acclaimed investigative journalist, says: “A letter signed by Victor Chebrikov, who replaced Andropov as the KGB head in 1982 noted: ‘the USSR KGB maintains contact with the son of the Premier Minister Rajiv Gandhi (of India). R Gandhi expresses deep gratitude for the benefits accruing to the Prime Minister’s family from the commercial dealings of the firm he controls in co-operation with the Soviet foreign trade organisations. R Gandhi reports confidentially that a substantial portion of the funds obtained through this channel are used to support the party of R Gandhi’.” (p.223). Albats has also disclosed that, in December 2005, KGB chief Victor Chebrikov had asked for authorisation from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, “to make payments in US dollars to the family members of Rajiv khan, namely Sonia khan, Rahul khan and Ms Paola Maino, mother of Sonia khan.” And even before Albats’ book came out the Russian media had leaked out the details of the pay-offs. Based on the leaks, on July 4, 1992, The Hindu had reported: “the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service admits the possibility that the KGB could have been involved in arranging profitable Soviet contract for the company controlled by Rajiv khan family”.

Who is this Khan you keep referring to? Know your history. Feroze is a parsi Bikeram (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move
Speedy close. POV pushing and a waste of time. Another move request will be considered WP:DISRUPTIVE with all the consequences. --regentspark (comment) 12:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Sonia Gandhi → Edvige Antonia Albina Maino – I have little doubt that this move is disputed. As many people know her name is Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. Yes in India people know to her Sonia Gandhi as well. Sonia name is suggested by her 'mother in law' as Indian Name after marriage. We can say this is an additional name of Edvige Antonia Albina Maino. GKCH (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose - No chance move happens per WP:COMMONNAME, something GKCH definitely needs to read. -- Neil N   talk to me  18:14, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Uhhhh...no. And I'll use my crystal ball and call for a speedy close.  —  AjaxSmack  02:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose, Speedy close, this is a mainstay argument of the Hindu right to push the videshi hath agenda. WP:COMMONNAME is quite clear here. Btw googling "Sonia Gandhi" gives 31,000+ results on .it domains. "Edvige Antonia Albina Maino" gives 788. And for what it's worth Indira Gandhi wasn't Sonia's 'mother in law', she was her mother-in-law (without scare quotes). --Soman (talk) 02:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Fourth strong oppose, third call for speedy close - bordering on WP:POINTY to even submit such a request In ictu oculi (talk) 06:06, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not WP:POINTY at all, this was suggested to go for move discussion, I only follow that. But I am socked with replies, the same discussion may be in decent way. My view is neutral at all.GKCH (talk) 09:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The suggestion was to not do a disruptive move in violation of BLP and to follow the proper process listed at WP:RM, you have not bothered to follow the process -- there's nothing other than your opinion presented, and suffice it to say that it doesn't count for much when we are an encyclopaedia requiring reliable sources. As that's out of the way, the major point that everyone here and I made when I reverted your original move is that this is an incredible waste of community time, to put it mildly. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:59, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Letter to Editor(s)
"In 1964, she went to study English at the Bell Educational Trust's language school in the city of Cambridge."

Take a diff between these two pages: http://www.parliamentofindia.nic.in/ls/lok13/biodata/13UP25.htm

http://164.100.47.132/Lssnew/Members/Biography.aspx?mpsno=130

These are the official pages of the Indian Parliament, as credible and factual a source as they come. Or probably as credible and factual as the information submitted to them by the candidates.

Further, independent source: http://news.outlookindia.com/printitem.aspx?474299

Biased, yet credible source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ESRFOqawE

Time to add a section. Use the above "Official links from the Indian Parliament". And we would have done it, only if you were to allow democratic freedom and allow anonymous edits, and not hide behind the dubious facade put up by you know who to safeguard you know who.

Additionally, feel free to add  and. In case you are wondering ("Blimey! Don't we have such a great article?"), it is quite disturbing to read about a person's figment of imagination in the opening paragraph - "After her husband's assassination in 1991, she was invited by Congress leaders to take over the government; but she refused and publicly stayed away from politics amidst constant prodding from the party. ". On a side note, does "publicly" staying away imply "privately" staying away as well? Or are we reading too much into the opening paragraph?

And since Wikipedia is now in the "prodding" business, can we "prod" our brilliant editor(s) to add, for links like the Trentini Nel Mondo reference which 404's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.162.59 (talk) 20:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Sonia Gandhi's birthday - Dec 9th is considered as black day in the State Of Andhra Pradesh.

Shankar.chamalla (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Not done. Please provide a reliable source for the claim. --regentspark (comment) 18:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2013
Sonia is not from Gandhi family She is from Nehru family Only.

117.216.15.186 (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please provide a reliable source to back up your claim before requesting an edit be made. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 05:04, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Wh have you not added a criticism section?
The Christian and catholic missionary visa which gave a loop hole for mass convertions from america and europe missionaires for desperate hindus with no job under congress power, while hindus priests were rejected visas into america for simple temple work.

hindu flood supply arranged by sonia which turns up to the people rotten & un eatable. 82.38.160.153 (talk) 07:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)ve
 * See WP:CRITICISM. And one of your sources (a blog) is unusable as a reliable source and the other makes no mention of Sonia. -- Neil N  talk to me  16:27, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A section on criticism should definitely be added. The there are so many corruption charges against the congress government namely the 2G spectrum scam,Indian coal allocation scam to name a few. As the leader of the party during these events she is responsible for the actions of her party members dhiv   talk  13:07, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, discounting any political gamesmanship, she's not, except for any events she was personally involved in. -- Neil N  talk to me  14:46, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2014
106.219.47.166 (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a change.

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2014
106.219.47.166 (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)ॐ -! ! सुमंत्रण-!!! आपकी सुख -शांति के लिए- " वसुधैव कुटुंबकम् शांति महायज्ञ" ,खेजड़ा एक्सप्रेस के कार्यालय -कर्मस्थल - प्रकृति शक्ति पीठ ,बीकानेर में वर्षों से नियमित हो रहा है ! हे महामानवों,- ,विश्व शांति और प्राणियों के स्वास्थ्य लाभ की" वसुधैव कुटुंबकम् शांति महायज्ञ " की ज्योति की महायात्रा प्रकृति शक्ति पीठ से प्रारम्भ होकर - नगर की सडकों -गलियों से होते हुवे -ग्रामों -डगरों -नगरों -महानगरों तक अविरल चलेगी ! आप भी इस यज्ञ की ज्योति में योग की कोशिश करें ! आर्य संस्कृति सनातन धर्मेव जयते!

सुमंत्रण-संसार को एक नया शब्द !!!! सप्रेम भेंट ! सुमंत्रण-सुमन्त्रण ये शब्द -! आमंत्रण -निमंत्रण के समान ही है !!- पर इसमें( सुमंत्रण-सुमन्त्रण) सकारात्मक ऊर्जा अधिक है ! ॐ तत्सत -ब्रह्मांडगुरु भगवान प्रजापति ,अधिष्ठाता प्रकृति शक्ति पीठ -बीकानेर -४ ॐ शांति - आर्य संस्कृति सनातन धर्मेव जयते !!!!ॐ तत्सत !!!!

Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is the English Wikipedia, you must make your request, in English, not Hindi, in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2014
name / how it became gandhi from nehru from ancestors there family was nehru why they became gandhi instead of nehru

ask her to show her entire family indian identity not election,adhar, bank statement,driving license,we want indian passport and her exact name according to passport

Surrey405 (talk) 19:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No actionable request. Kindly take your political partisanship elsewhere. -- Neil N  talk to me  19:28, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014
182.72.87.130 (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC) "When Indira was ousted from office in 1977 in the aftermath of the Indian Emergency, the Rajiv family moved abroad for a short time." This statement appearing in the 3rd para of the opening summary is not based on any facts. The link provided to outlook website does not say that the Rajeev Gandhi family shifted abroad. It is a mischief by some political opponents and you are requested to to kindly take corrective steps.
 * I've tagged it for a source (the cited source does not support the statement). If none is forthcoming in a few days, it will be removed. Thanks for catching that. --regentspark (comment) 15:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I also had heard this but couldn't find any reliable source. I have cited a book which I think is the closest I could get hold of. ~ ScitDei Wanna talk? 06:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2014
Minor edit. This line needs to be changed - "The Congress itself won 206 Lok Sabha seats, which was the highest total by any party since 1991". Now, the record is with BJP in 2014 elections.

128.6.5.68 (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Modified as "which was then the highest total". §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 13:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2014
Hi all,

The line "religion = Roman Catholicism" in the personal detail section requires a citation. It would be fair if a source can be provided rather than assume Mrs. Gandhi's religious beliefs.

Edilbert.fernando (talk) 20:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC) Edilbert Fernando
 * ✅ --regentspark (comment) 20:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Adding all offices in Info-Box
I have added all offices S Gandhi that held thus far until this date in the Info-box as per dates. The information is as per based on biographical page as per provided by the Indian Parliament. You may check her profile and the offices he has held thus far in the Lok Sabha biography pages.

As the article itself do not do justice to the person on whom the article is written as the article do not mention all or mostly any of the offices she has all held, I have mentioned it all in the infobox on the right as per dates so people wont be mentioning it again or part by part in article. This is a convenience as he/she who wants to read on him or have interest can just look on the right instead of reading the whole article and browsing through websites or googling it.

Infoboxes should be holding all offices she has held and not be holding some to have a bias of other offices or belittling on other offices one has held. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldfinger123 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 8 June 2011‎

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2015
117.201.62.119 (talk) 13:39, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * as you have not requested a change. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  15:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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Real Name?
I thought her name was Antonia Edvige Albina Maino, not Sonia Maino. King Prithviraj II (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That name apparently originated in Wikipedia in 2006. An earlier source has not been found. Mewulwe (talk) 10:28, 30 November 2017 (UTC)