Talk:Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood/Archive 2

Release
Wasn't it said that the game would be coming out in Fall in NA? It says TBA. I'm pretty sure NP said it's coming out in fall. EX. Sep.-Nov. I'm hoping for that Sep.2 date. That's 5 days before my b-day BTW. So, i tried putting fall but, it screwed up the whole page... :( Thanks! Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 01:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

It'll be released on September 5th in Europe according to Play.com. Fair field fencer  F F F  07:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

If you don't mind adding that with play as a cite?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

IGN says that the game will be released on September 2nd. Just so you guys know...Chaoshi (talk) 23:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Mistake
I just noticed, in the screen mentioning Dexter, Sonics arm is blue. He has tan arms Bioware. TAN!!!!!Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 01:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hm, and did anyone notice that there is something pink, like a butterfly or something, off of Amy's head on the right? (It's hit pink, can't miss it.) -Sonic&Mario Kid(Previously LyokoTitan101) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 12:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Which pic. of Amy?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

He's talking about the same one you were talking about, (above). 2700 EDITS!!!!!!!! Fair field fencer  F F F  19:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The pink stuff is just bad graphics. They actaully outlines her whole body in pink, and the pink you are talking about is the outline of her eyelashes. I was looking at sonic in that pic again, and his arms are entirely too short and he looks fatter. Has he been piggin out since he beat eggman???? Also, all these pics look seemingly familiar to SonicX...is bioware being lazy? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 20:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Talk pages are not discussion forums; they are for discussing edits to the article only. Please take this to a Sonic forum or discussion board. Thanks. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The SonicX arts are just placeholders. Notice in how the boxart that Nintendo released yesterday gives Sonic, and Shade HUGE heads. Perhaps we should add this to a trivia section? Opinions?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide a link to these images? Fair field fencer  F F F  09:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read my above comment, and leave discussion not relating to the article itself out of the talk page. In addition, Wikipedia strongly discourages trivia sections. SynergyBlades (talk) 00:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I(f you go to the upper left hand corner at IGN at the screenshot section, you can see it. -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

'''Please pay attention to the fact that this is NOT a forum for discussion on this game. This discussion on an error in a screen shot should cease immediately.''' Sorry...bold seems to help. Anyway, get back on track, the article and nothing else. understood? -Sukecchi (talk) 20:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sry Synergy, and Sukecchi...Should we replace the current poster with the temporary boxart though?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a link? I can't find it. Official or final boxart is appropriate, failing that an image that's representative of the title (i.e with the actual title in it, see the temporary image used at Sonic Unleashed) would do. Failing those two, what's there at the moment is sufficient for the time being. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's a link. EDIT: That brings you to an ESRB warning page. Just click yes to get to the picture. Tommy11111 (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup. That's the one Tommy! THX! ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Much better, I have uploaded & edited it in. SynergyBlades (talk) 01:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

K. Much thanks man! Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!!_Now,-I-Must.Make~This~Name~Even~Longer~Yet! (talk) 02:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, that looks good...but...SLJCOAAATR....enough with this overly long name please. It's quite annoying. -Sukecchi (talk) 03:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh, sorry Suk!Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!!_Now,-I-Must.Make~This~Name~Even~Longer~Yet! (talk) 04:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Interview
I found an interview from Bioware which I think will come in useful, and features gameplay, but it's in French. Fair field fencer  F F F  10:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

where can i find it?Mysterious Nazo (talk) 12:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just click on the number 5. Anything that's light blue on Wikipedia is called an "External Link" that takes you to other web sites. Fair field fencer  F F F  12:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mysterious Nazo (talk • contribs) 12:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you see a few gameplay videos?Mysterious Nazo (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Only one. Here you go. Fair field fencer  F F F  12:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey thats the video i watched earier.how do you put links?i'm really new to this wikipedia.Mysterious Nazo (talk) 13:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You see that little picture of Earth at the top of the edit window, you click on that to get it started, once you click on it new words will be highlighted in blue. Now you know what a tab is? Well if you do make one then move the cursor over it and you'll see little words of info. Now copy that info to the part that's highlighted in blue. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

ok thanks.Mysterious Nazo (talk) 13:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Silver Spam, AGAIN?!?!
Yup. Can we get this article semi-protected?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

"Characters mentioned by others"
Why is their such a disagreement about this? This is the only thing I agree with about Mr. IP-Address's rant. He hasn't been confirmed to appear. He has only been mentioned by one character. We know Eggman, Shade, and the Zoah are showing up. I say this is the best way we can satisfy all parties. He's still in the article but he's not confirmed to appear. Any other thoughts? If enough people dislike this, then we'll change it back. Please discuss it first though. -Sukecchi (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with it. This makes it seem like a "rumoured" section...I say just leave it as

Characters

Then list ALL the characters, Sonic, Eggman, Shade, Dexter, etc. because, there's a chance that one of these characters wil be a PC. What does everyone else think?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I see where you're coming from with that rumors statement...however it's not like he was a rumor to begin with, he has been mentioned...when we see some visual confirmation of his existence we'll put him in the regular section. This is really just to calm down the "BLARGH PROOF OR NO" scene. -Sukecchi (talk) 00:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

But, then, we may also end up at the point of "Oh, other than one guy CLAIMING that Eggman will appear, we have no proof!" like with that dude mentioning Luigi at Nintedo's convention back in Oct. i believe it was. I personall think it should stay the was it was. Either what i posted above, or just "Playable", and "Confirmed to appear". Either one seems more logical. We just have to get this semi'd. It seems only people that are just IP's are the only ones arguing about it... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 02:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Eggman argument holds no ground. He's already been confirmed to appear by articles about the game. -Sukecchi (talk) 02:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I know but, i'm just worried that if we get pushed to doing this with Dexter, they'll eventurally get us to remove him, then they'll start denying Eggy's appearance. I say leave it alone. Anyone else have thoughts? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As an aside, I have put in references for all those characters that could be found within reach of the nearest IGN article I could find. I'm sure Eggman etc. will appear, but not in the couple of IGN articles I read; if you could find a reliable/verifiable source for these and put them in, it would enhance this section greatly.SynergyBlades (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

The NP article scans showing Shade, and mentioning Eggman are only on fansites...The Zoah can be found on the EU Sonic site. Sorry, i'm not good with cites. I somehow screw up the whole article whenever i try...Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

References #2
I've gone ahead and done the task of editing the article, going through all the references to try and find the information stated, despite not actually having read anything about this game. In future, if you're going to add information, sourcing it as you go along would save an editor who, like me, is not acquainted with the subject matter from having to take a long period of time to find all the appropriate refs to add. Reverting any additions without sources is one way to keep it under control and I'd highly recommend it for this article in future. I know it's fun to be the first to put in new bits of information, but if it's not sourced, it's not encyclopedic, which is what this article has to be for Wikipedia at the end of the day.

I have taken out anything I could not find a solid reference for amongst reliable sources. If you feel that information is important, and you have a source (such as the oft-mentioned Nintendo magazines, which I do not own and cannot use as a reference), then please do place it in - with reference, obviously. Alternatively if, like SLJCOAAATR 1 has mentioned, you find citing difficult, just leave the information on the talk page with appropriate details so we can add it in for you. For reliable gaming sites or official information, the URL is suitable, and for magazines, this includes the name, issue and page numbers, and article title and author. Many thanks. SynergyBlades (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Will do Synergy! Also, if you find a rumour that you're fairly confident is true, please, tell us hear instead of spamming up the main article with rumours. Thanks! ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's a rumour I've seen at "Sonic News Network" (A sonic he hedgehog Wiki). That Shade was working for Eggman. -Sonic&Mario Kid
 * SNN!! That site gives fan characters articles. Hardly a reliable source, good for Sonic images though. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Never heard of SNN but, thanks for the heads up!Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

They also claim that Marine appears in TDB... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 19:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That place is filled with fan banter, vandalism and speculation. An IP could make a spot of vandalism and it wouldn't be noticed for days. Fair field fencer  F F F  20:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

So it appears so...Seems worse than this Wiki. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Shade the Zoah?
Check out this enlargened version of the cover. I think those things standing behind Shade are the Zoah, or possibly another new species. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe THOSE are The Dark Brotherhood, and Shade may be their leader. They're probably enemies with the Zoah. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Once again, just because this is called a talk page doesn't mean that it can be treated like a forum! Chaoshi (talk) 18:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, this COULD improve the article. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

And it could fuel speculation...Chaoshi (talk) 19:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

And it COULD be true. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's speculation until otherwise stated. No more, no less. Understood? -Sukecchi (talk) 01:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes sir. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

New info about Shade. She is the luitenant of the Maruaders, (who are not the Zoah). Fair field fencer  F F F  12:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

New trailer
http://ds.ign.com/dor/objects/856273/bioware-nintendo-ds-project/videos/SCDB_Sizzle_Trlr_060308.html

... :| Just lost all hope. I mean, a movie trailer guy! C'MON! Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 17:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What's on it, I can't see anything. Fair field fencer  F F F  17:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Does this have anything to do with the editing of the article? If so, state your points about the article, as well as just posting the link to the trailer. Otherwise, once again, please do not use this article for discussion on the game, find a fan or gaming discussion board for that. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, it does show that there are others like Shade. (Not sure if that's worth adding though...) It shows gameplay, which could improve the gameplay section. We also now know that the Tornado 1 (WTF?) and Angel Island will be appearing. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The new trailer doesn't reveal anything we don't already know! Chaoshi (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it does. Not anything important though... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 17:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just saw the trailer on YouTube and I have to agree with SLJCOAAATR 1. Fair field fencer  F F F  17:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And there's a good chance that new and important information could be revealed tomorrow, on the Sonic City Blognik. Fair field fencer  F F F  17:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that one of Eggman's ships from Sonic Heroes was in the trailer. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it. TDB seems VERY hush hush. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...The Egg Fleet from Heroes, and Shadow returns once more!Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 12:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh? -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 15:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

What don't you understand? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Why did you mention the Egg Fleet and Shadow again? -Sonic&Mario Kid

What looks like the Egg Fleet appeared in the trailer. The Egg Fleet debuted in Heroes, and returned in Shadow. It's also possible that it could be the Egg Carrier from Adventure, X, and Nex-Gen. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 22:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Guys, this is the last time I will ask. Can we please keep discussion on Wikipedia talk pages to that about the article only. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I was trying to help SAMK. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 03:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Got it, no further questions needed to ask :-). Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 16:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Graded
One of the screens shown in the new pics on the official website show that you get a grade for how well you fight, should that be included? Gamloverks (talk) 20:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Having added sources to the article, I believe this information is in one of the GameSpot or IGN references at the bottom, but not included in the article. Feel free to search through them to find it and use that reference to add in the info. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If i find the time, I will do so. Gamloverks (talk) 18:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Not Vandalism
Just want to let you know, Omega and Shade being playable is not vandalism. On a non-fan website at Omega's page. Jus wnated you to know. -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The page that you cited wasn't valid, so i had to remove it. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It wsa valad when I went on about an hour ago? -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please sign with four tildes. Putting your name at the bottom is not a signature. -Sukecchi (talk) 21:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay. We got a link, to a link, to a link which *Coughcough MENTIONS Coughcough* Omega, and Shade as PCs. I hav a bad feeling that th Dexter debate will return as a trio... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh? I only had to click one link, here to there, saying that those 2 are PC. and I'm not a member Sukecchi, nor do I plan to be one so please do not bother me. -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 00:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not telling you to register. I'm just telling you to sign properly so the SineBot doesn't have to keep doing it. Geez. -Sukecchi (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL. Memories SAMK. Memories. I had a bit of a hard time with the link though. Maybe it's just me... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

My speaking of Dexter awakened the denials...I've returned him to his rightful place once more. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL LOL LOL. good times S(do you mind calling yo S?), good times. So Sukecchi, teach me or stop being annoyed by signetures. Like this? Sonic&Mario KId 21:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay I lied, I'm a member now YAYS!!!!!!! S we need to be pals. User: Sonic&Mario KId (User talk:Sonic&Mario KId) 21:12 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine wth being called S. I'd like to be friends. :) Glad to see you've got the sig. down. Let me know if you need help with anything.

-.- Dexter's constantly getting removed from both articles now... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

bummer, so how Do we beecome friends anyway? User: Sonic&Mario KId 21:18, 8 June 2008

Just ask someone. If you need to know anything, feel free to contact me on my talk page. ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please provide a link to this page, or is it the page that's recently been added to External Links, because if it is you should know that that same site said that Tails was going to be killed off. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

ok getting confused,is Omega & Shade playable or not? Mysterious  Nazo  12:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

also is G.U.N in the game too? Mysterious  Nazo  12:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to figure it out. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, it says Omega is playable but I'm not sure if the site is reliable. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

is Shade playable too? i don't see any confirmation. Mysterious  Nazo  13:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It says Shade is also playable, but we don't know if the site is reliable. Fair field fencer  F F F  14:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I say find a better source...and until one is found. Remove those two from the playable character list. -Sukecchi (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What makes this site "Unreliable?" User: Sonic&Mario KId 12:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This same site said that Tails was going to be killed off. And BioWare would get sued for doing that. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't be daft, they wouldn't get "sued". Besides which, it's not their franchise so they would have to get the OK from Sega. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of this site before either. -Sukecchi (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Go here and you'll see a link taking you to the site. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but in this latest one they are reporting on an actual hands-on test. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So, we're saying that E-123 Omega and Shade are playable? Fair field fencer  F F F  17:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

-.- ...I'm confused...Is the site correct, or not? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

When the hell was G.U.N. confirmed? It seems like vadalism so i removed it. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, according to this they will be in it. And it was confirmed yesterday. Fair field fencer   F F F  15:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

That makes 9/11. Which means there's still room for speculation, so keep an eye out. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

-.- Who in the hell doesn't work for G.U.N. anymore?

So, well, the alternate dimension thing can kind of allow characters like Silver, Blaze, Johnny, Fang, Nega, Marne, etc. to have a role, so i'll be expecting rumours of these characters. Keep a look out guys. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and when was the US release changed to Winter '08? Last i checked, it was 9/5/08. And that BETTER not be pushed further back Bioware. Don't you want to make this mega Sonic fan happy to get a new Sonic game for his 14th b-day? C'mon Bioware, just release those 2 fricking days before my b-day! Okay, i'm done pleading now! Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 00:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Breath S, Breath. in, out, in, out. okay. Do you have a citation for the Winter release? User: Sonic&Mario KId 20:42, 11 June, 2008 (UTC)

ok,i think Omega & Shade are not playable & G.U.N. is not in the game. Mysterious  Nazo  08:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Dosn't really matter what youu think. We have a scource. User: Sonic&Mario KId 9:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I think what Nazo's trying to say is that, the site isn't really known to have a very good rep. This site's also made claims of Tails dying in this game. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 16:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Every major site has a mistake at one time or another, so lets go with it for now until proven otherwise (Not tails dying). User: Sonic&Mario KId 19:11, June 12 2008

I say listen as well. So, anything about Dexter yet? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 01:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

i saw a trailer of the game, i saw shade with the zoah & that's it. Mysterious  Nazo  15:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Those weren't the Zoah. They were the "Dark Brotherhood". Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Possibly, but know official proof yet. And let's not make this into a forum discussion again. Fair field fencer  F F F  20:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what it seems to be right now. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay!
Hey who said that Blaze and Sliver were playable? With out proof? Oh no bring me the proof from a website that doesn't bring out unofficial information and I'll leave it cause if you don't I'm asking for the 'lock and key' on this page! Capish?Wolly da wanderer (talk) 22:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I've tried getting the page locked from vandalism but, it goes unnoticed... :`( Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried that myself and it didn't work. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. It's like the vandals have made the page un-lockable...Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 01:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Power v230
NP recently did an update on the game, but there wasn't any new info we already don't know. They release date wasn't exact, it only said Q3 2008. There was also that infamous Dexter screenshot, and Sonic's arm was STILL blue. And besides, EGM said there was a "Romantic-Subplot", so the screenshot is indeed real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 23:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! ;) I was hoping that the would give SOME new info. I guess that TDB will no longer be out in time for my b-day... :`( Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, anything about E-123 Omega and Shade being playable? As I'm still not sure if we should trust our current source. Fair field fencer  F F F  07:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Not from what i've heard. If we don't hear anything about Omega & Shade as PCs by E3, we should remove them. Same for Dexter. I'm starting to have doubts about him... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 01:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For starters: I was talking about the NP v230 magazine. And Dexter should be kept, the image is appearing in lots of places meaning it must be official. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Really? I've only seen it on IGN. Okay. Hopefully that means the end of the Dexter debate. Anyword on IF TDB will be featured at E3? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Both Sonic Chronicles and Sonic Unleashed are scheduled to be shown at E3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 15:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. I wasn't sure. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 15:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Release
I wanna get this settled now. Alright, a while back, the game was given 9/5/08 release. Recently, that became Fall 08, and multiple sites are now claiming 9/30/08. So, which is the CORRECT release? Also, TDB isn't being shown at E3? I thought that it was. It seems to have been replaced by Sonic Attitude...Thanks. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe it has ever been given a release date. The Bioware page for it has always said "Fall 2008." I think those two september dates are just rumor. Tommy11111 (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Tommy. And besides, Sonic Attitude is a rumored game, along with A new F-Zero, New Super Mario Bros. DS 2, A wii Legend of Zelda, and so on. Most of the games had "rumored" next to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 00:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks then. Guess i won't be getting TDB for my B-day... -.- *sigh* Let me know if anything pops up... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 01:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Sonic Stadium
They actually had a chance to play the game, so maybe there's some things to the article? http://www.sonicstadium.org/features/previews/sonic-chronicles-the-first-chapters#more-1816 —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 04:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I skimmed through the article really fast but, didn't notice anything important. Even if it did (Ex. Blaze being a PC.), we wouldn't be able to add it to the article as, TSS is a fansite, and we're not allowed to cite fansites... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

... -.- G.U.N. Commander returns, eh? Unfortunately, we can't add him to the article, as i've previously stated. Though, i've now spoiled a portion of the game...I was trying to avoid major spoilers... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 05:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this fansite can be trusted. After all you do actually see pictures of them actually playing the game. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It does also mention Vector and Espio. A reference to them is, apparantly, made in the game. It may be that they actually appear in the game, or even that they're the remaining two playable characters. But I don't want to get my hopes up, of course. CBFan (talk) 11:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

GEE, THANKS FOR THE SPOILERS!!!!! Gesh. Guess i won't be working on this page anymore... -.- I just removed Dexter from the list of PCs though...Besides, the screens are the same as ones that can be found on others sites, a while back. Still, we're not allowed to cite fansites, even IF they have 100% solid proof. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 15:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Spoilers? You're editing an encyclopedia - what did you expect? SynergyBlades (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Kinda hoping to fulfil my hunger but, alas...I'm not sure if we should add Vector, Espio, and Commander though. TSS wouldn't lie but, we're not allowed to use fansites so, i say no. We can't add the yet, right? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 01:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If they've actually had hands-on with the game, it seems credible; however, the text says, "with references to Chaotix members Vector and Espio along the way" - that's not solid enough to place into the article. SynergyBlades (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that no matter what, we can't cite fansites...I've tried...If you'd like toadd them, i've got nothing against it but, others may have a problem... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 03:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protection
I requested semi-protection for this article since it is getting out of hand, and it has now been semi-protected for a period of one week. Since the Dexter character has given rise to so many conflicts, I suggest we leave it out altogether until something more reliable concerning his appearance - or lack, or playability thereof - arises. With regards to release dates, I politely request some reliable sources for the given release dates in the infobox. They have remained unsourced for some time now so I have reverted them to TBA until we get some references here. Once again I remind users that retailer release dates are wholly unreliable. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * General release dates sourced from official sites for EU and US. Any others appreciated. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Dexter's a PC... :`( http://www.n-europe.com/preview.php?prid=272 Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, well that's all that was needed - why wasn't this put up in the first place...! SynergyBlades (talk) 02:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Who knows? Perhaps this will fnally end the dispute! Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. According to Ian Hawk, writer for Archie comics, (there's a post in a topic (regarding the n-europe article) at Sonic Stadium), the article is pure nonsense. Claiming that Dexter isn't a playable character. Eh...just leave on until we get something more reliable...on both ends. (sonickenshin)(talk) 20:10, 23 July 2008

Comic Adaptation section
This section's reference needs to be converted to the proper template. I'm assuming this Sonic X is a comic, given the link in it (the cluelessness and assumption on my part is why we need the correct cite type!) If you could provide: magazine article name and author, the magazine's publisher, and date for the issue, we can convert this to a cite journal template. I believe User:Fairfieldfencer created this section, so his reply would be welcome, but if anyone else happens to have this info, please let us know in the meantime. SynergyBlades (talk) 00:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Wait, how would they do a Sonic X adation of it? Sure it's not the normal Sonic comic? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 01:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)g
 * Exactly, I've no idea since I don't keep up with any of this Sonic stuff - I'm just trying to encourage a well-written article - which is why we need correct citing. I suppose we'll have to wait for Fairfieldfencer to elaborate. SynergyBlades (talk) 02:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I read the comics but, i've seen no mention an adaption... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone wrote in to the Sonic X comic asking if there was going to be an adaption of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, (he/she could've wrote to the Sonic the Hedgehog comic but it ended up in Sonic X because they've got the same sending address). And Archie comics replied they didn't but did have plans for an adaption of Chronicles and Unleashed. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So can we get the above required information from you then? SynergyBlades (talk) 14:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Date: 9th of June 2008. Author/Publisher: Archie comics. Magazine article name: Sonic-Grams. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought you meant the name of the article it's in. It's Sonic X. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The journal name (i.e comic name) is Sonic-X, and the article inside Sonic-X that details the information is Sonic-Grams. Right? The comic name goes under journal= and the article name inside the journal goes under title=, so I've put them back in that order. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

And why in the hell would ther do a Brawl adaption? Thanks then Triple F. I swear those people that write in are pure-breed morons... -.- Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 13:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Sonic was in it. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

And Nintendo owns it. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Cream?
It recently said Cream the Rabbit is a playable character, with IGN being the source, but I didn't see a thing about Cream in any article. Is she playable or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 19:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Check the history; quite often it's someone putting in "info" whilst either not putting a reference, editing the text to add false information which isn't in the reference next to it, or duplicating a reference tag to make it look like it's sourced. It's the third option in this case. SynergyBlades (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

At least it's gone now... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 23:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

before i forget,when was Dexter a playable character. Mysterious  Nazo  12:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Look up for n-europe and you'll find it. Fair field fencer  F F F  12:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, she's been confirmed now anyway. CBFan (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sonic Chronicles: Microsite
It just opened up today, so the current one we were using is probably not going to update, but we should keep an eye out, just in case. Here's the link to the new site: http://www.sonic-chronicles.com/us/index.php GENERALZERO (talk) 16:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, if you click on the lower left corner, you can navigate much easier. Click on Shade, and it'll bring a trailer showing actual gameplayGENERALZERO (talk) 16:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for this. Ca anyone determine who the characters are? I figured which is Amy, Zoah Leader, Big, G.U.N. Commander, and Rouge, but, i can't tell who the others are... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe some of them are members of the Dark Brotherhood, but they will reveal them eventually.GENERALZERO (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

2 of them looked like those Zoah fellows. 1 looked like Espio. 1 loked like a mole (Dexter?). 2 looked like those Marauders that were with Shade in the trailer from a few weeks ago. The others looked undeterminable, though, they appeared to resemble Eggman, Vector, and Mighty ( :D ) Though, i may be wrong with some...Hope i was of help. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I definitely saw Omega. And what looked like Emerl. Fair field fencer  F F F  07:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Some people at the Sonic Stadium found out who most of the silhouettes are (except for the "Centipede", and there's really a character just called "---") by finding the URLs of the silhouettes, and they also found a bunch of other info on the game in an .xml file. http://www.sonicstadium.org/board/index.php?showtopic=33903&st=20 Bean the Dynamite (talk) 17:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bean the Dynamite Duck (talk • contribs)

Whoa. Thanks for that info. It appears as if G-mel will be returning. Certainly sounds interesting. So, what they got on TSS, is 100% fact, or just what it appears to be? Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For the moment in time the only thing we can believe is our eyes, so let's wait until we've got a proper source. Fair field fencer  F F F  20:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It's 100% true, as THEY EVEN HAVE LINKS THERE TO THE .XML FILE AND THE SILHOUETTE PICS. So, Fairfieldfencer, it's as good a source as any. Bean the Dynamite (talk) 20:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bean the Dynamite Duck (talk • contribs)
 * No it is not. These are guesses and Wikipedia is not a place for guesses. Fair field fencer  F F F  20:23, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

So I see you were too lazy to look at the links in that topic. Otherwise, you'd notice they're hosted on SEGA of America and they tell the names of the silhouettes. Bean the Dynamite (talk) 20:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bean the Dynamite Duck (talk • contribs)

Woah. Let's not start a fight here. Now Bean, Wiki has some standards, some of which is that, we can't cite anything that comes from a fansite (TSS in this case.). While this site could come from a very reliable source (Say, a game mag.) but, only a fansite has the article posted, we can't us it, unless a "Reliable (Or offical)" site gives the "Yup. It's real." type of thing. We also can't cite boards. (Say, i find a bit of info through hacking a site, and can only post it on the IGN boards, we can't us it.) We also can't trust word of mouth, or just "Trust me, i know for a FACT." We need some absolute 100% SOLID AS HELL proof. These were
 * 1. Hacks from a site.
 * 2. From a fansite.
 * 3. From boards.
 * 4. Pretty much just "Trust me, i KNOW" kinda stuff...

I hope that i was of help. ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR (talk) 22:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

News flash. They periodicaly put new screenshots of characters of the Microsite, keep an eye out. Sonic& Mario Fan  22:13, 28 June 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk)

FAKE article
The source citing Dexter as playable is false and is said as much by not only the writer of the comic adapation for Archie (Ian Potto) but also the artist (Jon Gray). PLEASE remove that article and any association to him being playable, it's fake. 03:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know; we'll need a source for your claim (linkable quote by either of the two people you mention) that we can verify before we take it out. SynergyBlades (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your source is Archie? They aren't even involved in making the games. The only connection they have to the games is the adaptions for the comic. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, they don't seem very trustworthy...Besides, they could've been told to try and keep it a secret? Skeletal_S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

How is the scource of Dexter being playable false?Sonic&Mario Kid (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Source link: http://www.bumbleking.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20310&sid=aa2b428e102c1a488a32fdea05a0974c#20310 Ian and Jon HAVE to know who's who in the game otherwise they can't make a loyal adaptation, you know? If this quote isn't enough, I'll make Jon or Ian say something more indepth. C'mon guys, this is clearly fake info, why keep it up? 71.166.48.60 (talk) 21:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Quote: "I can't really back that up right now, but trust me". Sorry, that's not good enough for an encyclopedic article. Though I sympathise with the situation, the only source we have says he's playable, so until something more solid comes along rebuking that, it'll probably stay. SynergyBlades (talk) 21:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

that guys an idiot if he thinks ANYONE is going to blieve him without anything to back it up. Sonic& Mario Fan  18:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. It just seems like a random fans rant about beng upset that Dexter's a PC. -.-  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Eggman
Someone keeps getting rid of Eggman on the "Nonplayable characters". He's going to be in it. Bioware said Eggman won't be the main villain, but a more credible bad guy again", so there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GENERALZERO (talk • contribs) 18:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I was worried that this would happen...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 
 * "He won't be the main villian" does not equate to him actually appearing, as likely as it probably is. SynergyBlades (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

But "a more credible bad guy again" does. --Coconutfred73 (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Interestingly, I cannot find the source for this quote that has been bandied around - has anyone actually got it, so we can put Eggman back in? If I do a Google for it, most people that attribute that quote have said they got it from Wikipedia! (Perhaps a good example of why Wikipedia goes for the verifiable?) SynergyBlades (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * FFF linked...the IGN dossier on the game, which didn't seem to mention him anywhere. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, thought that was the right one. Fair field fencer  F F F  12:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe that this was found in an issue of NP.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 
 * Okay. When you can cite which article and issue, put it in the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 12:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Eggman's canstantly being removed, an now someone's making a VA list. I keep removing it.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

This is for Synergy.

http://ds.ign.com/dor/objects/856273/bioware-nintendo-ds-project/videos/SCDB_Sizzle_Trlr_060308.html

I'll go see if i can find the NP artice now.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  14:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The trailer says, quote: "For years, Sonic and his friends have survived many battles against Eggman. Now, a new threat has emerged". So what part of that says that Eggman is going to be in the game? SynergyBlades (talk) 14:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The part that says "He will NOT be the main villain, but he will be a more creditable bad guy", which then went on to say something about him not being taken seriously in previous games. CBFan (talk) 14:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Er, no, I'm talking about the trailer. What part of that trailer says he will be in the game? Back to your quote, this is now the third time that we've had this mysterious quote repeated back, but yet again, no source has been found for it. Until there is a source, it stays out. SynergyBlades (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We're clearly not talking about the trailer. Information does not come just from trailers. CBFan (talk) 20:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay hun, well done, you're right, congratulations. ;) SynergyBlades (talk) 21:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

They also show Eggman in the trailer. Saying that a new threat has emerged, doesn't mean that other villians won't be appearing.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  15:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yet again: When Eggman appears in the trailer, it says, quote: "For years, Sonic and his friends have survived many battles against Eggman. Now, a new threat has emerged". Eggman does not appear for the rest of the trailer. So what part of that trailer says that Eggman is going to be in this game? SynergyBlades (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that his Egg Fleet was also seen in the trailer. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

The fact that SWATbots will appear, the fact that hacking the TDB site reveals a profile for Eggman's robots, and others confirm his appearance.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Those things look like they'll belong to the Zoah, or Maruaders. And where did you hear about the hacking? Fair field fencer  F F F  16:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I found the Nintendo Power article: http://www.ene3.com/archives/020256.html#moreGENERALZERO (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, someone who actually has the time to search the info they want put in the page. I shall insert it now. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks SynergyBlades, and the about the hacking...they were able to determine the silhouettes of every character!GENERALZERO (talk) 16:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Triple F: TSS has info from hacking the site. I know we can't cite it, or add it to the article but, it's interesting.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That was hacked? I thought somebody just edited the images from the profiles. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I don't know how but, you have to put some sort of code in...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Straying into game discussion territory guys, I think this issue has been solved now. SynergyBlades (talk) 16:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Just trying to clear something up. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Synergy.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Besides, the icons show an Egg pawn of some sort, can't have an Badnik without it's creator. And it's been mentioned a LONG time ago that "He(Eggman) will be a more credible bad guy.". Again Sorry. Sonic& Mario Fan  18:10, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know this point has now long been beaten to death, but I just need to clarify again why your two points wouldn't be suitable for the article: the ref needs to actually say that he will be in the game, not just hint at it, and with regards to that quote, yes, we had this huge discussion up there ^ - it was only today that somebody actually found where it came from so that we could cite it. Without that cite, it couldn't go in the article. Just Sonic fans "knowing" that he will be in it isn't enough for non-fans (i.e regular Wikipedia visitors, looking for a fully referenced article) like myself. :) SynergyBlades (talk) 22:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no problem with just trying to improve the article.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  00:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, personally, I'd love to see this hacking thing, but I can't, because it's IMPOSSIBLE to view it, because you have to register to the forum to view the information...which you CAN'T do because the Security Code thing is broken and doesn't show up! CBFan (talk) 09:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

It works perfectly fine for me, but, i'll try to upload it to another site for you. ;)  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  17:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

No VA yet
I noticed that Triple F is the one adding the VA list. Nothing's been said about it yet, has it? I haven't heard a thing about the voice cast yet, so, could you provide us with a reliable source?  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:39, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since when have the cast sections had sources? Fair field fencer  F F F  13:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you're editing an encyclopedic article which requires sources? Since, if SLJ(etc) is right, no voice cast has been confirmed, nor voice acting at all? Since, if there is going to be a cast, you could provide a source saying there will be voices in the game, and that source might actually provide a reference for which actors will be doing the voices? SynergyBlades (talk) 14:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for assuming. I'll take it down immediately. Oh, and I added both you guys to my friends list. Fair field fencer  F F F  14:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

From what i know, wealways wait untill we know for a 100% fact. Remember Omega always has a different VA? Could happen again. 4KIDS might not even do the VAing. We don't even know if the game will have VA's. So, let's wait untill we get some solid proof.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep my eye peeled for VAing though. Nice userpage. ;)  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  15:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Who are you saying that too? Fair field fencer  F F F  15:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

You. VAs may be confirmed soon though, i'll look around.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:04, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I still owe you for helping with my sig.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Um
you know we CAN add that Shade is the leutenet of the maurderers on the page, the official TDB site comfirmes it, and that she lives in twilight cage, and that she is basically a super spy... Sonic& Mario Fan  19:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Righty, fair enough - you could have added that as a reference for the week or two it had "citation needed" next to it. Anyway, if it was you that was having trouble with the reference template (I forget who that was!), just post the link here and I'll add the info on the page. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Nope. That's me, who always trouble with citing articles...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  00:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I plain just don't know how... If it makes you feel better double S. Sonic&  Mario Fan  22:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk)

I kind of know how but...Everytime i do...I screw up the whole article. lol. That's why i always post info. here.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot
The cvgproj template at the top of the talkpage has screenshot=yes as a flag, meaning it gets categorised as an article that someone has labelled as needing a screenshot. I happen to agree, as it would be nice to see some examples of Sonic-based RPG gameplay (we could, logically, put it in the Gameplay section which is heavy on text when a picture might help clarify). Are the screens out now likely to change before release, and if not, what would you think best represents the style of gameplay out of the screens in circulation which we could use? SynergyBlades (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think they'll change. Maybe the Combat? It'll show the unique fighting style in the Sonic series. GENERALZERO (talk) 23:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a list of screenshots, take your pick. Sonic Chronicles screenshots. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Dexter IS NOT PLAYABLE.
Check the current reference which lists he is playable. This edit was added:

- Ed. We've just heard from Sega that we obviously heard wrongly, and that Dexter is not playable. In fact, "he might not even exist."

I'm not sure how to modify the page without messing it up, so I'll leave that to somebody who can. 192.91.173.36 (talk) 15:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

DOESN'T EXIST????? (Pays other IPdude that denied Dexter $50...) Well, he's been removed now...I think that we still shoud have him added to the article.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  02:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not now that the original source is quoting a Sega rep saying he may not even exist. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 02:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure then...I hope he is real...Not a PC though. So, keep him out? Will do!  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  02:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Considering there exists a screenshot mentioning his name, he's GOT to exist. Surely. CBFan (talk) 07:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't even play the games, and even I know Amy Rose could make up something like that to make Sonic jealous. Either way, not really for us to speculate without a solid source. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 13:54, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Has anybody actually seen this SEGA rep? Fair field fencer  F F F  08:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The task of a source is to verify that information is accurate. Now that they've backtracked on their original statement, the source (and the information it portrayed) becomes null and void - it's not our job to disprove that their removing information was wrong! Synergy/Blades (Talk) 13:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

CB, either Amy made him up, IGN faked us..., or he's a custom character...We should though...See if this guy really IS with SEGA. We're pretty much just taking his word. And i find it hard to believe that a SEGA rep would say "teh", and use emoticons...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  00:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

IGN just a cunducter if you will, they just say info, they wouldn't be able to fake an entire screenshot. I say 1, she's trying to make Sonic jelouse and is making him up, 2, she is using Dexter, 3, She really is really pursuing a new relationship. Sonic& Mario Fan  18:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For the moment in time all we can do is speculate, and Wikipedia is not built on speculation. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Triple F is right. Let's leave him out unless something comes up...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  15:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And may I point out that we are recieving this information from an IP with a record. Fair field fencer  F F F  10:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the backpedal to do with Dexter, do as the IP editor says and check the original source - it's written in there, with Dexter crossed out and the editor's note (as copy/pasted by the IP editor) afterwards. The "is Dexter playable" debate is over, so we fall back on previous sources; as such, we only have the screenshot in which he's mentioned, which is in turn not enough to make a judgement about whether he appears. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 14:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Great, we're back where we started...GENERALZERO (talk) 18:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunatley, we are. Since our recent sources have said so, i'm gonna say that hes fake. Just something Amy made up...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  23:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * All we know is that the screen shot is legit. EGM said there was a romantic sub-plot within the game, if only we had more details on that...GENERALZERO (talk) 01:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly, IGN could've faked it, and other sources, like us, believed it, and word got around, and so it began...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  03:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no point dragging this discussion out - it's reached its conclusion. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 12:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

... You all came to this conclusion really late. Just noticed.69.181.213.206 (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Incoming
Thought I'd let you guys know that there could be some incoming vandalism. If you've watched Sonic X you'll remember that Cosmo was supposedly killed at the end of the show's run. All that was left of her was a seed that Tails planted in a little pot. But rumors are going about because of a released screenshot that Cosmo could be appearing or make a cameo. This is the source. Now you will notice that near the window in this screenshot is a plant growing out of a pot. Hence the point of origin. It could be true but for now it's speculation. Fair field fencer  F F F  07:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up but, that screen's been around, and i keep a close eye on rumours, and am yet to hear this one. It appears to be just any plant though.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This rumour came from a YouTube video. Fair field fencer  F F F  16:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Well, i'll keep my eyes peeled!  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  23:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

youtube video,huh?,where is it? Mysterious  Nazo  11:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Right here. Fair field fencer   F F F  13:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Autumn/Fall
Just to let people know, in the release dates it shows the NA release date as fall, and the EU release date as April. I don't know the difference, whether it is dialect in those places or whatever, but it seems kind of confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.197.119 (talk) 21:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The two mean the same thing, but in British English it's known as Autumn, whereas in American English it's Fall. If you click the two sources next to each release date you will see both separate sites are Sega UK and Sega US, each using the correct term for the region it belongs to. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 21:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

New screenshots
Like the title says. TSSZ: News One of them looks like an updated version of the Dexter screenshot. But alas, there is no mention of him. Fair field fencer  F F F  20:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * They said it'll update again tonight, so keep an eye out.GENERALZERO (talk) 21:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw these and a few others on IGN. I'll keep an eye out though!  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  00:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Here they are. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are a few more. Sonic Stadium Includes new enemies called the Kron, and the Gun Commander. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Old news, bud. We've known about them, and others for a while now.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  18:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!!!!!
I think I accidently messed part of it up, Sorry if I did. I did not mean to I am new here and do not know how to work everything (If you could help me it would be grate).Any way you might find some useful information about the game at this site www.sega.com/sonicchronicles/us/index.phphope the site is helpful —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talon the cat (talk • contribs) 01:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

We've known about that for a while but, thanks anyway! I'll be mor than happy to help you out. Go to my talk page, and ask whatever you need! ;)  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  03:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The Marauders
According to the new pics from E3. The Marauders are not related to the Zoah. I think they should be mentioned in the article as NPCsChaoshi (talk) 16:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Shade
Do you think there should be more info about Shade.If so I would be willing too do so--Talon the cat (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

That kind of information belongs in another page. Chaoshi (talk) 15:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you think a page like that should be created? And if so where?--Talon (talk) 15:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think he means an already created article, like this. Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games). Fair field fencer  F F F  16:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

…do you mean that an article could be made on that page or an article is already on that page? (If there is already an article on their please point it out because I am not seeing it)--Talon (talk) 16:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I mean, make a section about Shade on that article. Fair field fencer  F F F  17:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course there isn't enough information on Shade at to moment to warrant an article. Better to wait until the game comes out. Chaoshi (talk) 17:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I think I have enough information to make a small article about her, but if you do not think it is a good idea I won’t do it.--Talon (talk) 18:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

New info
I added the Marauders, and Kron as NPCs. Apparantly, Cream is a PC... -.- So, with Dexter out, we still have one more spot left, right? Because, according to hacks of the games site, the Gizoids are revealed. I'd say that there's a good chance that G-Mel is a PC but, i'm spectulating here...  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  19:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if he was a character, we can't cite the hacking.GENERALZERO (talk) 03:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

wait,where & when was Cream confirmed? Mysterious  Nazo  03:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Check the page. She was in a demo at E3.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  03:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Site Update
Amy, and various enemies were added to the character list. The Kron are "An ancient Rock civilization known for their construction" and the screenshot below shows one in a battle, so it's unsure if they play a major part in the story.GENERALZERO (talk) 03:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

So, i was right?  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  03:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. The Giant Worm is only a common enemy, so it shouldn't even be under the character list at all. We don't know the Kron's role whether they're supporting character or a common enemy so wait until they're role is revealed.GENERALZERO (talk) 18:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They stay. They're a specis, and belong there.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  19:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, they stay. The Kron do play a role in the story. GENERALZERO (talk) 23:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Mhm. Just listen to others first next time.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  23:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, man. GENERALZERO (talk) 04:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's ok.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Story
According to the official site, the story begins when Eggman tries to launch a new Egg Carrier from Mobotropolis and Sonic, his friends, and G.U.N., plan an attack on him. The Carrier crashes with Eggman aboard, Mobotropolis is in flames, all of Eggman's machines, robots are destroyed and Eggman is, and I quote "Presumed dead". Then it says They all seperate to explore the world, while Sonic is exploring the world, Tails and Knuckles are mapping the Mystic Ruins. Then the part where Sonic gets the call from Tails saying "There's trouble in Central City, and Knuckles needs help" Do you think we should add this to the article? GENERALZERO (talk) 04:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Most certanley. Just make sure to cite the site.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

New video
New video, featuring Cream the Rabbit and the mysterious Kron. The official site has also been updated. There is now a story section, a Chao section and new characters. But no one we don't already know. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * New info at IGN. Fair field fencer   F F F  17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Neither of those give anything new.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  20:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It tells what the character do, and it's a better source to confirm playable characters. GENERALZERO (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And seeing Cream in the video confirms that Cream being in it is rock solid. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

the only new character I saw there was Cream,and did anyone find any information of Omega & Shade?i'm starting to doubt them as playable characters. Mysterious  Nazo  07:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a reference for both of those characters, plus they are mentioned in the link I posted above. Fair field fencer  F F F  07:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cream was confirmed like, a week ago. I'm prety sure that G-Mel is the final one.  Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  18:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

TSSZ News
Thought this might come in helpful. This place has got all the latest Sonic news and is ideal for us to keep on top of things. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that there was a new Sonic mobile that I didn't know about worries me...

I'll keep an eye on things there. Thanks for the heads up!  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

TSSZ just released an article conforming the dates for Sega games. TSSZ News:Sega Updates Release Schedule Fair field fencer  F F F  11:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

More new videos
Here: I didn't really notice anything that should be added to the article though...  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't seem to enter it,nothing happens when I click that. Mysterious  Nazo  08:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Try it now. Fair field fencer  F F F  08:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is something...notice that one of the videos now says there are 10 playable characters, rather than the 11 we had before. The IGN info also only stated 10 characters. Now, that's somewhat interesting, as it means we could have our entire cast now (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Big, Shadow, Rouge, Omega and Shade, 10 characters in total). CBFan (talk) 09:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that they meant we have 10 confirmed PCs as of now. Why bother saying 11 when we're yet to discover who it is. *coughcough G-Mel coughcough*  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I think CBFan is right. Take a look at this video. Fair field fencer   F F F  11:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And we don't know if Shade is really playable. We've seen that the other characters are playable in videos, but we've seen nothing of Shade. To further my point; on the official chronicles web site you see a screenshot of the playable characters actually being playable, but Shade just has promotional art. Fair field fencer  F F F  11:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, all very well...except she's already been mentioned as being playable numerous times. CBFan (talk) 16:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well in that case; we've got all 10 characters. Hurrah!!! Fair field fencer  F F F  16:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)