Talk:Sonic Frontiers

Microsoft Windows vs. Windows
Microsoft Windows is the correct version of mentions on Wikipedia. It's mentioned in an overwhelming majority of video game pages including featured articles. We don't say "Series X/S" when referring to that, or "Switch", we use "Xbox Series X/S" and "Nintendo Switch" respectively. Keeping a consistent format avoids these constant edits + sounds natural to anyone who has been on Wikipedia and been on a few video game pages. ElijahPepe (talk) 05:22, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t understand what this is referring to…--CreecregofLife (talk) 06:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Windows is the WP:COMMONNAME, "other video game articles" is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and the link is WP:NOTBROKEN. JOE BRO  64  14:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * "Windows" is the common name; sources (including storefronts) overwhelmingly refer to "Windows", not "Microsoft Windows". In my view, there's a good argument for renaming the Microsoft Windows article to Windows on WP:COMMONNAME grounds, but the counter-argument is that "Microsoft Windows" works as a natural disambiguator from window. Whatever merit that argument may have for the Wikipedia article title, it certainly doesn't apply to sentences such as Sonic Frontiers is scheduled for release on the Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S - no one is going to think the game is going to be hurled out of a building. Popcornfud (talk) 14:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't tempt me. Panini!  • 🥪 16:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Both Microsoft Windows and Windows wiki link to the same page, so there's little room for confusion here. Sergecross73   msg me  15:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The argument is not about confusion. Anyone on the Sonic Frontiers page will be well-aware of the fact there's an operating system called Windows. The problem is that a certain style is trying to be enforced when a vast majority of pages do not adhere to such style and such style sounds unnatural to those familiar with the other pages. That familiarity is why we've had two editors try to change the page and both edits were undone without any way to change it back without unfolding an edit war. elijahpepe@wikipedia 16:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If "Windows" is the common name per sources and is sufficiently clear, then that's what we should write on all Wikipedia pages. We can't simply stick to an inferior approach because that's what some editors are used to. Popcornfud (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If confusion isn't the issue here, then it's a non-issue altogether. As someone who maintains a lot of Sonic articles, there's always a lot of editors who are "Sonic fans" who make a lot of misguided edits. It comes with the territory. It's no reason to change what we do. Sergecross73   msg me  16:17, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Using Microsoft Windows over Windows isn't inferior in any way. Adding that extra word doesn't destroy the article. elijahpepe@wikipedia 16:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If "Windows" is the common name per sources and is sufficiently clear, and it's more concise, I'm struggling to see what advantage "Microsoft Windows" offers. Popcornfud (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME only covers Windows XP over Windows NT 5.1, because Windows XP is obviously more recognizable. The point of that meta-article was to point out that using elongated words for simple acronyms or phrases that are often times more recognizable shortened should be avoided, which doesn't apply as both make sense to the average person. Neither offer an advantage since they both mean the same thing, but already two editors have tried to make it Microsoft Windows. I might also add here that Microsoft Windows is the article name of Windows, not the other way around. elijahpepe@wikipedia 17:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, this is a non-issue. Please drop this. It appears you've had significant issues with constructively working with others on Wikipedia. You're not off to a great re-start here. This is a waste of time. Sergecross73   msg me  17:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

"Sonic Adventure 3" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Incorrect Statement
Regarding the statement "series composer Jun Senoue is contributing to the score.[13]" is not entirely true. It's confirmed that Tomoya Ohtani, the series veteran composer is set to be the game's lead composer.

Source: Tomoya Ohtani on Twitter claimed the article is "not true in some respects" https://twitter.com/Ohtanitter/status/1477619593644769281 The article link & info should be removed.
 * I think that's a bit vague to take action on. Do you have any better sources? Sergecross73   msg me  03:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Bruh
You can tell somebody like 10yrs old got on here and edited this stuff. Opining isnt even a word 2001:48F8:4059:55F:FCF3:9D92:E938:C100 (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * o·pine
 * /ōˈpīn/
 * verb
 * FORMAL
 * gerund or present participle: opining
 * hold and state as one's opinion. "“The man is a genius,” he opined" CreecregofLife (talk) 05:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You're already on the internet. Why not do a search first before starting a discussion like this? It's pretty easy to find out on your own that it's a real word. Sergecross73   msg me  11:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It's definitely not one of the great words, though... you know, compared to good old plain-English verbs like said, wrote and felt... Popcornfud (talk) 11:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * What’s your point? You dislike word usage because it’s not common enough for you? CreecregofLife (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm saying it's purple prose - better to use simple, common plain-English words that don't distract the reader (see WP:MODLANG). You might find Stephen King's argument on this subject of interest. Popcornfud (talk) 16:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

"Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog video game" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Gameplay screenshot
Southwestmetal has continued to attempt to replace the existing gameplay screenshot without explanation, despite repeated reversion. I believe that there is no reason to change the existing image. The open world gameplay is both the primary focus of the game and a new element to the Sonic franchise; similarly, the use of more elaborate combat sequences is something that has not been in past games. Having a gameplay screenshot that illustrates both of these new elements is far more helpful to readers than a screenshot of Sonic running through Cyberspace, which is both not the primary gameplay component and does not distinguish easily from the gameplay of the last 15 years' worth of 3D Sonic games. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Sergecross73   msg me  02:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I am going to assume based on the fact that Southwestmetal continues to add the Cyberspace image and has outright refused discussion that their edits can no longer be taken in good faith. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You've assumed wrong. MetalSlave (talk) 01:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You still haven't given any reason for the image to be changed, despite three people disagreeing and believing it should be left as is, and you've refused to participate in any discussion up until this point, even after being warned. Given the circumstances, it's hard not to see it as willful disruptive editing. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, great, but you need to actually advance an argument if you wish to get a WP:CONSENSUS in your favor. Sergecross73   msg me  02:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Use of (year)
I'm aware this has been controversial in the past (for some reason), but when using terms such as a genre or the type media a project is, we should be putting the year as part of prose instead of in parenthesis behind it. It should mirror the same format that short descriptions use.

Basically, something like "The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) feature film" seems forced, while "Development began after the release of Sonic Forces (2017)" is fine. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed that "The Sonic the Hedgehog (2020) feature film" is forced, but what's wrong with "The Sonic the Hedgehog feature film (2020)"? Popcornfud (talk) 12:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Policy wise, probably nothing. I suppose the question really depends on if we are actually suppose to read it (do screenreaders ignore it?) or are we meant to just process it internally. I've personally always read them, making such formats awkward in some cases. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Big the Cat
Has anyone gotten their hands on the new issue of Game Informer? I've seen multiple websites reporting on the Frontiers issue mentioning a fishing minigame with Big on Cyberspace, but since I'm not a subscriber and can't read it myself, I don't want to cite the issue unless it's for sure real. Could anyone with access to the issue please confirm? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 03:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, it's confirmed. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Release Date News
According to the latest Nintendo Direct Mini that came out on June 28, they revealed that Sonic Frontiers comes out Holiday 2022. So that’s why you need edit that release date section. Here’s the link if you want to make a reference: https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/07/01/nintendo-direct-mini-monster-hunter-rise-sunbreak-sonic-frontiers-all-things-nintendo?amp70.41.154.159 (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)


 * That's already in the article (though we use late/Q4 2022 because that's more universally understood.) Sergecross73   msg me  19:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Jun Senoue incorrectly listed as composer
Tomoya Ohtani has posted frequently on his twitter page that he is conposing for Frontiers and also confirmed in a livestream that he is the sound director. He has been the sound director for every mainline release since Sonic '06 and there has been nothing to suggest that Jun Senoue has taken over. For some reason though, his name is not listed as Composer and Jun Senoue this has instead been miscredited to Senoue.

This should either be ammended to include Ohtani or the composer section should remain blank until we get more official confirmation of Jun Senoue's involvement and what role he actually is playing in the composition. Senoue is most likely not actually doing any composition work but just providing guitar work similar to what he did for Sonic Forces.

https://www.gonintendo.com/contents/5467-sonic-frontiers-sound-director-talks-about-his-new-fresh-approach-to-the-game Skimbybimby (talk) 21:00, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


 * We need to go by what reliables sources say. See WP:VG/S for examples of usable and unusable sources. GoNintendo is no good. Sergecross73   msg me  22:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Per VG/S, the Game Rant source I just added should be acceptable. However, I see no reason why an official Sega livestream confirming Ohtani's involvement would not be sufficient in this context. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with using official Sega livestreams. My objection has been to this users continued used of personal, non-Sega social media accounts and the unreliable GoNintendo website, which are the only things I recall being proposed prior. Sergecross73   msg me  19:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally a source for this, FYI. Sergecross73   msg me  01:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022
Change "give Sonic coemetics themed after Korone" to "give Sonic cosmetics themed after Korone" in the second paragraph of the 'Release' section. RayMairlot (talk) 16:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022 (2)
KaioGabriel20 (talk) 16:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)'Sonic Frontiers'' received mixed to postive reviews; critics praised the open world and story, but found the gameplay repetitive. I saw that Fronteirs was good.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Your opinion is completely irrelevant per WP:NPOV and WP:OR. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:59, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:VG/MIXED. Your suggestion goes against current guidelines. Sergecross73   msg me  16:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Mentioning Steam user reception
There seems to be some disagreement over whether or not to include mention of the user reception on Steam. Obviously citing Steam directly would be inappropriate, which is why I tried to find a suitable secondary source for it instead. However I can certainly get behind the opinion that maybe it is a little bit jumping the gun, and we should wait to see if the gulf in critical and player reception receives any more significant coverage (I can imagine it will, given time). Nonetheless, I'm perfectly fine with whichever position is the most accepted by everyone else. silvia  <small style="font-size:75%;"> (inquire within)  15:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * No, you are correct, you are outlining the scenario where it is appropriate to mention user content. As long as you don't stray beyond what the reliable source says, it's fair game. In my opinion, it's worth a mention. Sergecross73   msg me  15:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Usage of Metacritic as a source.
Due to recent spikes in comments from Metacritic, a lot of which containing popularity bias due to an internet influencers comments on the game, I highly suggest that caution is used when using metacritic as a source for this article. Please scan the source for bias before using. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 03:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * WP:USERG. We don't use Metacritic user reviews at all. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO <sup style="color:#D18719">64  03:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Either way, Caution should be used. PerryPerryD  Talk To Me 04:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't need to be. We won't be using the Metacritic user reviews. At all. There's nothing to be cautious about if we're not even using them in the first place. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO <sup style="color:#D18719">64  04:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I did add a reliable secondary source mentioning dunkey's influence on the reviews, but it got removed on account of it being the only coverage. Given that there is now more coverage of it, and the first source was even updated as the situation escalated, there is a case to be made for adding the information back using those two sources. However it may be better to just wait and see if this develops further to the point of receiving more coverage. A mention could also be added to the Review bomb article, rather than this article, as it may be a notable case of review bombing but not something that is worth including on this page.
 * In any case, yes, I concur that we obviously cannot include Metacritic user reviews as sources. We can only mention those reviews if we cite significant coverage of them from reliable sources that is deemed in-scope for this article. <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:75%;"> (inquire within)  04:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Dunkey
My question here is simply, Should dunkey be mentioned in this article? Right now theres a source from Kotaku, however im concerned about the additions of Dunkey to the article, At least for now, Im wondering if dunkey should be mentioned, or if we should wait for the steam to calm down, or not include him at all. Im unsure about what should be done in this situation. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 16:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I support 's removal of it. I think it veers too far into "internet drama" rather than something noteworthy about the game itself. Especially in such a mainstream game with no shortage of coverage or things to discuss. Sergecross73   msg me  17:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Although I was the first person to add it and I'm not particularly invested in it being mentioned here or not, I can get behind it being removed. I've put a mention of it at Review bomb, where I feel it is better situated, especially since, as Serge points out, it isn't really directly related to the game and doesn't add much meaningful to the reception section. But it is, at least, a basically notable example of review bombing. <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:75%;"> (inquire within)  18:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I also support the removal of it. This won't be remembered in a month, let alone in a year. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 18:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Cut content source

 * https://www.eurogamer.net/sonic-frontiers-cut-dialogue-suggests-he-may-love-amy-after-all - Not exactly where/how to include, but some interesting cut content here. Sergecross73   msg me  01:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say this is better to consider including somewhere in the Sonic the Hedgehog (character) page. <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:75%;"> (inquire within)  02:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually then again, maybe not. It is cut content from a single game, so it's not necessarily indicative of anything intended as canonical about the character (they might have cut it because they decided it goes against his character). But I don't know. <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:75%;"> (inquire within)  02:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Haha, you pretty much wrote my counterpoint before I could. Anyways, theres no rush to get it in the article. It can be saved for after all the release buzz dies out, when editors start working on expanding it and inevitably start working on a WP:GA push. Sergecross73   msg me  02:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

User reception in lead
While we have a short paragraph mentioning the player reception (which eclipses that of the critics'), I'm torn on whether it is necessary to include it in the lead as well. As I see it, this should depend on whether it is considered noteworthy enough and supported with enough reliable sources talking about it. Usually, any fan responses that are reported on and subsequently included in the lead of WP articles concern negative responses or a backlash (notable examples being The Last of Us Part II, Warcraft III: Reforged, and Mass Effect 3), which typically results in more coverage that we're not seeing with Sonic Frontiers; it's rare that there are examples of the reverse happening to a significant degree. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 13:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * As we currently have a decent paragraph worth of sourced info in the Reception section, assuming that all meets WP:DUE requirements, I see no reason to omit from the lead. The lead is a summary, after all.
 * The thing to focus on next would be to build up the coverage of the reception from professional critics, then reconsider the lead and see if it still reflects the balance of the article. Popcornfud (talk) 13:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm planning to do a ton of work on the article once I finish the game and another project, so I'll handle this when I get the chance. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO <sup style="color:#D18719">64  14:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Reception
Hi,

Due to the recent reviews sorrounding the game, should we change it to polarising or put it as one of the most polarising games despite only releasing a few days? Because there's a lot of chaos between critics, fans, youtubers and the general public. 120.20.136.223 (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * No, I do not think so. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. It is best to wait and see. <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:75%;"> (inquire within)  05:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think this is chaos, you obviously didn't see the fallout to The Last of Us Part II. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 13:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough, and also there are many reviewers praising the presentation, specifically the visuals, music and voice acting, in the latter there are many liking Sonia's more mature voice despite being odd at first. I can't add it as it's semi protected but can we add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.205.9 (talk) 10:44, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Also, please note that the current descriptor for reviews is "mixed', and mixed doesn't necessarily mean "medium". It also means "scattered across the board". It already kind of alludes to what you're referring to here. Sergecross73   msg me  12:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * We can only add what is in reviews that have been sourced in the article (WP:VERIFY), and even then it should be mentioned in the prose. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 13:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Why are user reviews currently being cited for the reception section when (as far as I'm aware of) this is borderline never done for any other media article on Wikipedia? 102.182.230.106 (talk) 09:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * User reviews are allowed to be mentioned when reliable sources report on it. So, while just mentioning fan sentiment isn't okay, it is acceptable if it's actually cited back to IGN or Eurogamer staff written articles that happen to point it out. Sergecross73   msg me  12:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that user reviews are necessary, but considering all metrics cited in this very page, it can't be denied that the reception is "generally positive." Many other articles with metrics like these are described as such, so Sonic Frontiers should be given the same treatment. I also don't know why the article makes it a point to single out fans for liking it when its reception is positive from critics and audiences alike. Whoever wrote that must personally dislike the game and was trying to suggest that fans are biased in favour of it, but from how long this article has read "mixed reviews" when that clearly isn't true, there appears to be a bias for the opposite. It should absolute be changed to "generally positive." JohnStartop (talk) 22:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The "mixed reception" comes straight from Metacritic. 3 out of 5 of the MC entries say mixed. On Wikipedia we go by what reliable sources say. What sources support your counterpoint of it being mostly "positive"? Sergecross73   msg me  02:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2022
Edit the “Sonic Frontiers” page RoyBradSnell (talk) 21:57, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 22:09, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Just asking us to edit the page isn't helpful. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 22:09, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ❌ - The edit request system is for requesting others make edits on your behalf, not to ask for access yourself personally. The article is currently locked from editing with newer accounts because there have been a lot of bad edits being made lately. Sergecross73   msg me  22:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Egg memos
Hello, the Egg memo i'm talking about is number 11, it explains the Ancients are relatives to chaos, and that their DNA corroded and they became a new species, also their technology exists on Angel island as seen in Divergence. While it is not directly confirmed that they are Chao, it is heavily implied since they are the only inhabitants of Angel island alongside Knuckles, and chaos was the first guardian of the Master Emerald and became angry when the Echidnas invaded and particularly harmed the Chao. So, all of this worth mentioning doesn't it? Haji kiluu (talk) 20:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I haven't played the game yet, so I don't know the full context, but generally speaking:
 * Wikipedia generally just notes major plot point, not every minor detail.
 * When using the game itself as a source, we can only say what was explicitly said there. So noting what is "heavily implied" but not outright stated, would violate WP:NOR and WP:PRIMARY.
 * So I'm leaning towards no unless I'm mistaken on the context. Sergecross73   msg me  21:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * That's WP:SYNTH, so no, it isn't appropriate to say that. We can maybe mention that the Ancients are related to Chaos, since that IS textually and explicitly confirmed, but unless Sega or someone working for them confirms that your theory is true, there's no chance it can be included (and even then I can imagine a lot of folks would oppose it on WP:DUE and WP:CRUFT grounds).


 * One thing you could *try* doing is sending a question to Ian Flynn's Q&A podcast asking him if this theory is true, but even if he answered in the affirmative you'd have a self-published primary source from a single writer who only works for SEGA and hardly has unilateral say in the direction of the Sonic franchise, so it would still not be appropriate to cite that as a justification for its inclusion. But, him saying this would open the possibility for it to be mentioned in sources considered reliable on Wikipedia, at which point we could perhaps have a basis to say in the article that Flynn said this. Even then, I can imagine there'd be challenges to it and questions of if it's editorially warranted.


 * Anyway, that's all theory. I think as things stand, you can maybe add a brief mention of the Ancients being relatives of Chaos, and that's it. But you might want to hear other folks' opinions here first, if there are any. <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:65%;">(User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4)  <small style="font-size:75%;">(inquire within)  22:00, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * For anyone who's not played the game, here's the context: All Eggman says in this is that "They're relatives of Chaos, the God of Destruction!" from Sonic Adventure, and that their DNA "corroded," and they became a "new species" (which could very well be an allusion to the Chao, but is never explicitly confirmed). <small style="font-size:80%;">silvia  <small style="font-size:65%;">(User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4)  <small style="font-size:75%;">(inquire within)  22:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Santa Sonic?
Shouldn't the Santa costume DLC be mentioned here? Visokor (talk) 21:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I guess if someone wants to add a basic sourced sentence that says "A free Santa costume DLC was released in December 2022", they're free to. My understanding is that it's just cosmetic stuff that doesn't really do anything, so there's really not much else to say... Sergecross73   msg me  22:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

High quality comic art
https://asia.sega.com/SonicFrontiers/en/comic/comic01.htmlIkalzlkr (talk) 14:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Manual - add to external links
web manual in multiple languages

https://manuals.sega.com/sonicfrontiers/en/ Meiaoal (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Fastest selling 3D Sonic game?
Okay, so I can confirm (based on official sources, such as Sega’s own financial reports at the end of fiscal years) that Sonic Frontiers had better initial sales than Heroes (1.42 million units sold from its release to March 31, 2004), Shadow’s game (1.59 million units sold from its release to March 31, 2006), Sonic 06 (870,000 units sold in the United States and Europe within four months, by March 31, 2007), Sonic Unleashed (2.45 million units combined by March 31, 2009, which means Frontiers defeated it in like 1/4 the time, as it did 2.5 million units in just over a month), Sonic Colors (2.18 million units sold across both the Wii and DS, as of March 31, 2011), and Sonic Generations (1.85 million copies worldwide across all platforms by March 31, 2012).

Either way, all of the figures came from Sega’s financial reports by the end of their respective fiscal years, ending by March 31 of said years, meaning Frontiers had faster initial units sold than all those games in less time.

To my knowledge, the only game that still sits undefeated is Sonic 2, having sold 3.2 million cartridges in just 2 weeks!

But other than that, is Frontiers actually the fastest selling (not lifetime sales) 3D Sonic game, or am I missing something?

Thanks. :)

Alaios (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2023
In the "Sales" section of Reception, add that it became the best selling 3D Sonic game of all time on May 8th, 2023. 192.154.116.70 (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:09, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * https://in.ign.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-team-project/183665/news/sonic-frontiers-exceeds-segas-sales-expectations-with-over-35-million-copies-sold-since-release
 * This was my source. 192.154.116.70 (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ That article contradicts itself - it also says Sonic Frontiers is one of the franchise's best-selling 3D games. As I often tell editors who try to make grand claims like this - if it's in fact true, Sega will certainly say it themselves. This is Marketing/PR stuff of dreams. They won't pass on the opportunity to promote that statistic.  Sergecross73   msg me  18:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh no...
This page is going to need to be heavily revisited after Sept. 28th and the Final Horizon update, isn't it. FerDeLancer (talk) 12:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Why do you think that exactly? Sergecross73   msg me  13:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Should we include... the incident?
Remember the controversy during the Game Awards, where Sonic fans and Genshin fans squabbled over the Player's Choice award? I am conflicted on whether that should be here or on a Game Awards related article. FerDeLancer (talk) 00:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Are there any third party reliable sources that reported on this? Sergecross73   msg me  00:38, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

A Correlation between mixed reception and fan reception.
Hey Sergecross73, whenever you remove the term "however", why would you strictly stated that there isn't a correlation between a mixed reception and fan reception. Sometimes it is. You just act like a mean jerk sometimes when it comes to editing and fixing Wikipedia articles. You just don't even get it like you always never will. 2601:196:4A01:D770:98AD:44F6:B229:3FCE (talk) 02:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Why is it you're still obsessing over this months/years later? It's a minor aspect of the article, a minor change you proposed that was undone (by multiple editors, not just me.) This is all very basic Wikipedia editing. Youve got to get used to this happening if you plan on editing Wikipedia. Find something else to focus on. Sergecross73   msg me  14:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Help requested: How to edit the "Post-release" section
I'm unsure whether to include James Stephanie Sterling's review of this game. Their review may be significant. Also, them calling it the worst game of 2022 may be significant. Ss0jse (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm against inclusion. The website is listed at WP:VG/S as situational - basically, technically usable, but of a lower quality and to be used more sparingly. Consider how much of a mainstream game with no shortage of higher level sources available this is, I don't see the point of implementing it here. Sergecross73   msg me  22:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. I guess part of me wanted to include some negative criticisms of the game. Ss0jse (talk) 22:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, I recently added a topic to Talk:The Last of Us Part II that covers basically the same thing: a review source listed as "situational" that called a game the worst of its year. Ss0jse (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, looks like you got a similar response there too. I'd recommend finding some sources that aren't these over-the-top self-published Youtuber types like this - Wikipedia generally treats them with skepticism and/or advises against their use. Sergecross73   msg me  22:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. Ss0jse (talk) 00:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)