Talk:Sonic Lost World

Source

 * http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/sonic-video-games-coming-nintendo-180538643.html Sergecross73   msg me   17:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Edited info about 3rd Sonic game
Previously, it was stated that Sonic Lost World was one of the three Sonic games in partnership with Nintendo, with the other two being Mario & Sonic, and Super Smash Bros.

This info is false, as there is proof right on Sonic's Facebook page that says Sonic's appearance does not represent the third and final game.

Source:

Sonic The Hedgehog Facebook Super Smash Bros. post

(Check the reply to the post asking about the third game.

Rock200X (talk) 00:30, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, even the wording of the deal should be enough evidence to prove this false; in no way would Smash Bros be considered a Sonic game. SB isn't exclusive because Sega gave them the rights to it; its exclusive because its a Nintendo property. There's no way the game on a whole would be perceived as something Sega gave exclusivity to. The game is not there to "give". Sergecross73   msg me   15:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Reception
So, now that reviews are coming in, how do you think the reception intro should be worded? It keeps getting changed, so I'm not sure if it should be "mixed to positive" or just "mixed" because although it got some high reviews (most notably Famitsu) a lot of the scores have unfortunately been in the 4s and 5s, so just "mixed" might be the best wording.  Dark Toon  Link  15:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say "mixed" is probably most accurate. I think those phrases like "mixed to positive" or "mixed to negative" are seen as kind of redundant by some people anyways; "mixed" is typically believed to cover the whole spectrum of either of those... Sergecross73   msg me   15:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I changed the wording in the article. Some people/IPs may change it again though, so they'll need to be directed here, as I noted in my edit summary. I didn't leave one of those hidden notes though, since I don't know how this will continue to develop.  Dark Toon  Link  15:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, with the game just coming out, it'll probably be a little unstable for a little bit. Sometimes it easier to just keep the "absolute garbage" and vandalism out for now, and concentrate on creating a great reception section once all this blows over. That's probably more what I'll do, though you can do it however you want. Sergecross73   msg me   15:36, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, since it will probably be quite unstable now and particularly around its launch in the US soon, so it's best to build up a full evaluation and summary after all the reviews are out and the dust has settled.  Dark Toon  Link  15:49, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's mostly negative with a few positive... So it's definitely a mixed bag, but I think it's leaning towards the negative side sadly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.162.169.51 (talk) 04:48, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of 4s and 5s, which are on the low end of mixed. However, it's not like it was getting 1/10 everywhere, but far from 9/10 everywhere either. I just think mixed is the best balance, since some reviewers liked it a lot more than others, with scores like 7/10 and 9/10 occasionally. 'Mixed' covers this whole spectrum at this point, I believe.  Dark Toon  Link  04:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Plot summary
Now that the game is out, I feel like the plot section should be expanded to cover the full game's story, much like the other Sonic game articles. I've written up a story draft below; the plot's a little more involved in this one than Colors or Generations, but I tried to keep it concise and only cover the important parts.


 * While in pursuit of Doctor Eggman and his henchmen, who have kidnapped and imprisoned several of his animal friends, Sonic the Hedgehog and his companion Tails crash land on the Lost Hex, a small floating world hidden away in the clouds. There, they encounter the Deadly Six, a group of the world's indigenous Zeti race who are now under Eggman's command. However, when Sonic rushes in and kicks away a conch Eggman was using to keep the Six under control, they rebel and take over Eggman's badnik army, forcing Sonic and Eggman to retreat. Eggman explains to Sonic and Tails that he built a machine on Lost Hex that extracts life energy from their world and uses it to power up the user, but it is unstable in its current state and, at full power, cannot be shut off and will drain the planet entirely. The Deadly Six, however, activate the machine and begin draining the energy from the world below, intending to destroy Sonic and Eggman's world in order to massively increase their own strength. In order to prevent the destruction of their world, Sonic and Tails are are reluctantly forced to ally with Eggman so they can reach the machine and shut it down.


 * Sonic ventures across the Lost Hex and defeats several members of the Deadly Six, including the hyperactive Zazz, gluttonous Zomom, elderly Master Zik, and self-absorbed Zeena. However, when he sees Sonic about to step into a trap, Tails pushes Sonic out of the way and gets captured instead. After defeating the depressed Zor and leader Zavok, Sonic discovers that the extraction process has been completed and the planet below has been drained. Rushing to the volcano where the machine is located, the group is attacked by the newly powered-up Deadly Six, and Eggman appears to sacrifice himself to save Sonic. The Six reveal that Tails has now been partially converted into a robot programmed to obey them, but Tails turns on them, revealing he altered the program so that he would maintain his free will. Sonic defeats the Six once more, but reaching the machine, he discovers Eggman faked his demise and built a new mech, imbuing it with the planet's life energy in a bid to conquer it. Sonic destroys the mech and Eggman attempts to escape, but ends up falling to the surface below due to a final act of sabotage by Sonic. Tails shuts down the machine and releases the life energy back into the planet, restoring it to normal, and the two return to the surface. A post-credits scene shows Orbot and Cubot retrieving Eggman, who was badly hurt in the fall and is now missing half his mustache.

How's this look? Any additions/subtractions that need to be made? -- 98.250.7.156 (talk) 00:36, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

100 rings=1UP patch; general comments
The article currently mentions the latest Wii U patch, but only that it adds button controls for some of the Wisps. Is the fact that it restores the traditional extra life reward for getting 100 rings also salient enough to note? If so--and I think it is, because several reviews criticized the omission--where should that go in the article? Other Sonic-related articles include such information in the "Gameplay" section, but the material could be added to "Reception," as Sega was clearly responding to hostile press. Another consideration: Mentioning only the Wii U patch may lead some readers to wonder about the 3DS version, which never had the feature removed in the first place. Beyond that, I'd like to point out that "Reception" might benefit from some reorganization; it could be worth noting that many critics, even those who gave similar scores, liked and disliked completely different things about the game. For example, GameSpot felt the 2D stages were the highlight, while Polygon basically said they ruined the game. VideoGamer hailed the level where you control a giant snowball as a solitary stroke of brilliance, but Game Informer singled it out as one of the lowpoints of the game.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, the soundtrack is only mentioned once in reception; but it was widely praised, not just praised by a single review.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:09, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think its worth mentioning the patch/life stuff. I probably would have added it to the development section honestly, but I'm ultimately, I'm okay with wherever consensus dictates. As far as rearranging the Reception section goes, I say go for it. As you may see in the discussions below, some of he users like myself and DTL who maintain the article where waiting until all of the traffic from its initial release to die down befor working in it. We haven't done that yet... So it's not like any of us are committed to how it is now. Sergecross73   msg me   17:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * All right, I did my best.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Reception
Since I mostly edit historical articles and have relatively little experience editing articles on video games, I would appreciate any input regarding my reorganization of "reception". I believe my approach was encyclopedic and neutral, and that there is no need to mention the scores in both the table and the text, but after unilaterally changing several thousand bytes worth of content you tend to wonder if what you've written is clear to anyone besides yourself. Of course, if there are no objections, that may well be a good thing.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a little different, but I think it looks really well done. You're right, you don't need to have the review score in the prose if its already present in the review chart. (That's something it seems only more advanced editors know though, so that's why you may see that redundancy so frequently.) Sergecross73   msg me   03:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about organizing the Reception section by aspect and with little attention to scores, this is how I've always done it, and I've gotten two FAs and a number of GAs with the formula. Tezero (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

ScrewAttack
Creating a balanced "reception" section isn't an exact science, and ScrewAttack is a situational source that can be reliable for opinions if not for facts, but I'm not sure that they nominated Lost World for worst Wii U game of 2013 is particularly notable or helpful to know. Thoughts?TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not only that, but when you're dealing with something as mainstream as Sonic or Mario, which gets so much coverage, I try to stay away from these marginally acceptable sources, just because there's plenty of better info out here from solidly reliable sources... Sergecross73   msg me   11:42, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

SLW
There's discussion about the former (invalid) incoming redirect SLW that formerly needed a hatnote (but not now that it has been dabified) at Talk:SLW. Widefox ; talk 10:34, 26 June 2018 (UTC)