Talk:Sonic and the Black Knight

Let's Not Jump the Gun...or Sword
Let's not turn this article into a warzone as we have done with others. This new game has been "revealed" in Nintendo Power. I'll see if I can pick up the magazine somewhen, cause this is going to rock the fanbase, including Wikipedia's and I expect they'll be a lot of arguments, vandilism and people fighting over whose's got the better reference. For starters, someone should locate where the info on the game came from, if it is from the magazine or if it is all fake. The cover seems pretty real. For those who have not seen it, look here:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=J3UaFBG5TNA This is going to be an interesting experience. Evilgidgit (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It can also be seen here: I guess we'll keep an eye on this for a while. I'll try getting it ASAP.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  01:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's already happening!  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  01:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this page actually correct according to Wiki policies? It is based on a cover of a magazine that hasn't been released yet, and it hasn't been confirmed by Nintendo Power, Nintendo or Sega. It might as well be fake(a really good one though), so this article is based on speculation, which isn't allowed. If this isn't confirmed in any way then this article is probably going to be deleted. Moccamonster  Talk  21:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to one of the sources (SEGA.com), as of today (July 21, 2008), it appears to be official... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is based on a cover of a magazine that hasn't been released yet - strange, I see no reference to a magazine cover in the references list. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 21:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Its from an alledged cover for the new issue of Nintendo Power. IDK which site i saw it so good luck finding it--SxeFluff (talk) 04:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not from an alledged cover... it's from a press release from SEGA themselves... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, missed that one. I was reffering to a leaked cover of Nintendo Power on which it was revealed, but there were still doubts on wether it was real or not. Moccamonster   Talk  08:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a fansite that has scans of the article itself.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just received the issue with that article... and let me tell you, I'm a little freaked out by the idea. --Luigifan (talk) 01:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Power Scans
http://www.tssznews.com/2008/07/22/sonic-and-the-black-knight-np-info-scans/ Knuckles and Shadow are confirmed to be playable, but this is optional. GENERALZERO (talk) 18:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added it together with the source. Moccamonster   Talk  20:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Series?
Two games are considered a series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.117.248 (talk) 20:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In source 2 it is stated to be part of the Storybook series. They call it a series, then we can(or maybe even have to) call it a series too. Moccamonster   Talk  20:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The way that they said that makes think that there will be future sequals...  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Calibur
Cailbur is being mentioned as a character, but the sword isn't alive. That's like putting the Chaos Emeralds as characters in Sonic Heroes. Just because it plays a role, doesn't mean it's a character.GENERALZERO (talk) 21:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Calibur supposedly speaks. Saying Calibur isn't a character is like, saying that those talking objects from Dora aren't characters, or the trains, and cars from Thomas aren't characters.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  21:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing about Dora and things like that, is that the inanimate objects are alive, so they would be considered alive. As for Calibur, seeing how he speaks, should be left alone, and added to the list. Sorry for the confusion^^;GENERALZERO (talk) 21:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't blame you. I removed him at first think it was spam, then the guy added a source.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  21:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's actually Caliburn, which is an early term for Excalibur. Should that be noted in the article? 216.126.209.88 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC).

Question.
I see the article heavily dependent of this image. All i can see is sonic image and nothing else. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a bit difficult, as I can't find any site that has posted all the scans on one page to link to. I was going to use the photobucket album that's currently linked to, but the album itself is marked as private. If you simply edit the SBK01.jpg to SBK02.jpg and so on, you get the full set of scans. If any other site posts them, we can use that instead. Synergy/Blades (Talk) 20:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Anything
I'm going to be helping alot with this article so tell me whatever you need me to do. Gears of War  2 16:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that the article's about good now. Thanks anyway! ;)  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  16:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Theres always work to be done so I'll be working :P Gears of War  2 17:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thank you!  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  23:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This isn't helping the article. It's a waste of a section.GENERALZERO (talk) 04:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, there's nothing wrong with mindless banter to a talk page unless its not about the article and in this case it is. So thanks for your help gears of war2! :DBottomlivefan95 (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Logo Revealed
On SEGA's page for the game, the logo can be seen on the right. Should we add this instead of the image? http://www.sega.com/games/?g=483 GENERALZERO (talk) 04:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So long as it doesn't violate copyrights. ;)  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The image of Sonic with the sword better illustrates the topic. Powerslave (talk|cont.) 02:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what you like. When we get the logo, we use that. Same for the cover. We can use the Sonic & Calibur pic as a normal screenshot though.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  02:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Since no one else did, I uploaded, and replaced it. ;)  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  02:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not about "what I like," it's about helping the article, but whatever you say. Powerslave (talk|cont.) 21:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and we use the logo, not what "Describes the game in a better way".  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  21:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't be condescending. You understood my point, so don't try to warp it to your liking. Just drop the issue, it's solved. Powerslave (talk|cont.) 20:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Release Date Confirmed?
Well, according to Amazon, SBK will be released 3/12/09 (March 12th, 2009) See for yourselves!

I'm not sure if it's just one of retailer guessing dates, or not...So, should we add it to the article?  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. > 03:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Retailers aren't considered good sources, so no.GENERALZERO (talk) 04:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you say so, man. Alright. I'll look to see if anyone else (IE: GameStop, IGN, etc.) may have a release.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just thought I'd point out, I noticed on your or someone else's talk page I think it was, that you think IE means "in example". It's actually i.e., from the latin id est, which means that is to say, or in otherwords. e.g would be more appropriate, which means for example, from the latin exempli gratia. (Okay, I'll shut up now. ;)) SynergyBlades (talk) 14:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ...wut?...So..IE means in other words, and EG means in example...? wut? (Jumps off a cliff out of the world's stupidity)  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  17:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You got it. The world's not gone stupid, it's been like that for some time! SynergyBlades (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Espically here in America. But, let's not get off topic. If I see the release anywhere else (Everything I checked either says TBD, or Spring 09), I'll say so here.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  17:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Contest & Character Confirmations?
SOA is currently holding a fanart contest for atwork to be placed in SBK. They're asking for art of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, and Blaze. Sounds like confirmations of Tails, Amy, and Blaze having a role to me! Should we add info about the contest to the article? This sounds prett good to me. I wish I could draw well...I can barely scribble... *sob* Guess I gotta start practicing! Good luck to anyone who enters!

Source: http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2008/08/28/sonic-and-the-black-knight-fanart-contest/#more-105

 Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I added a section about the contest. I'm not sure if I ref'd it right. If I messed up, someone please fix it for me? Thank you!  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  04:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * New link. New Sonic & Calibur art. Hmmmmmm...I think I'll switch refs!

http://www.sega.com/sonicblackknight/contest/us/  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Upload the image from the page for a better infobox pic. SynergyBlades (talk) 13:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw. It looks nice, Synergy! ;)  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  13:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Since us North Americans are getting all the fun with this one, Japan must've gotten jealous, and, well, I can only read like, 3 of those words! (Sorry. Bad Japanesse skils when you try to teach yourself through watching dimented anime...)

http://sonic.sega.jp/IllustContest2008/  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  14:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

From what i could gather SLJCOAAATR (cause my japanese isn't too great either) i think they're thanking...sonic fans, i dunno. Actually i don't know why i posted i'm not much help at all. Sorry i'm tired Bottomlivefan95 (talk) 16:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Rails?
I'm confused when they say that. Do they mean the railings that Sonic grinds on in most every game, or are they referring to how in Secret Rings Sonic moved automatically on a set path?The Great Morgil (talk) 19:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They meant the on rails gameplay of Sonic and the Secret Rings--Wariodude64 (talk) 03:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible release date.
This says it may have the release dates for Sonic and the Black Knight. Fair field fencer  F F F  07:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Read the article carefully. The article says that the release dates come from Amazon and online shops are not reliable sources for release dates.  Let's wait until Segs officially announce release dates bfore we add them. Looneyman (talk) 12:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Box art!
Just like it says on the title. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Artwork and Screenshots
I think we could put up at least one screenshot or the artwork for the Black Knight. GENERALZERO (talk) 20:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oops, forgot the link: GENERALZERO (talk) 21:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Power Scans
GENERALZERO (talk) 00:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Denki DS Scans
GENERALZERO (talk) 03:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Reference- Golden Armour
Please add the reference for this bit if you can find it. Thanx. THOMASNATOR (talk) 11:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

On the page, Excalibur-Sonic is said to be SuperSonic, but if you look at his hips, some blue on his legs are still showing. I'd just rather get confirmation before editing it, that's all. - Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.54.43 (talk) 19:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Blaze Revealed
Blaze's name is revealed. I think it's Perceval?? GENERALZERO (talk) 03:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Review
GENERALZERO (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Gaiaonline Quest
Should it be added that there was a Sonic and the Black Knight quest on Gaiaonline? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.164.249 (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What is GaiaOnline? Some sort of forum? Then probably not --A Chain of Flowers (talk) 14:03, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

12 Playable Characters
I assume in multi-player. http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/952/952097p2.html CBFan (talk) 19:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

IGN Review
In case anyone hasn't noticed, people are editing this page like crazy because they're sad that IGN gave it a bad review.

Try to keep it under control. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buh6173 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Failing that, ask for semi-protection - given the edit history in the last few days I don't think you'd have much trouble persuading an admin to enact it. SynergyBlades (talk) 23:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Music
This article needs a music section. All the other Sonic games have them. Crush 40 rocks and Knight of the Wind is an awesome song. There definitely needs to be something about the music in this game.The Great Morgil (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

For future reference, saying that music "rocks" and is "awesome" won't help your argument.

Now, if they release a soundtrack with the game, and you can use that as a source, then perhaps that would be different. Buh6173 (talk) 02:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Plot
can we add the plot now? I saw a few edits for the plot that have been reverted, there's a lot more to the plot than just that line and that advertisement line —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.170.167.210 (talk) 20:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * According to Wikipedia's guidelines, a short, concise plot summary is acceptable. If you choose to write one in, please keep it short and do not overload it with trivial information. Firestorm  Talk 21:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Japanese cover art needed for this article
If anyone can upload the Japanese cover art for the video game and use it in this box, we would appreciate it. Just like We Started Nothing and Always Outnumbered, Always Outgunned and albums, showing alternate covers, this article may also need an alternate cover, showing its origins in addition to changes in America. example image from Play-Asia.com SolanaRanger (talk) 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikiproject:Video games policy is that Japanese information is not notable on the English wiki, in addition to two boxarts being thorny under Wikipedia's Fair Use image policy. So along with other Japan-related information, such as release dates, alternate box art is not required. Also, as a pointer to a new Wikipedian, please don't add "placeholders" as you did with your edit - if you don't have the information to hand, please do not add it all and instead leave a note on the talk page for others to help. Thanks. SynergyBlades (talk) 03:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Two More Reviews
http://www.tssznews.com/2009/03/17/2-more-sbk-reviews-a-touch-more-positive/ GENERALZERO (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Chili dogs
Sonic's love of chili dogs is a general American localisation. In this game, the chili dog item is described as "Sonic's favorite." Chili dogs have once before been referenced in Sonic Chronicles. I believe this info should be on Sonic's own article, not this. Apparently it is embraced as much as the family name Robotnik. No, it isn't trivial if it is a full on embracing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.224.252 (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it could be added somewhere. The issue is, where does it belong? --74.194.31.93 (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Fancruft of the highest calibre. Doesn't need to be added anwhere --A Chain of Flowers (talk) 14:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Not Sure If You Wanna Count It
At the begining of the article, you state that this is Jet's first appearance, outside of Riders. To correct that, Jet cameoed in Secret Rings' gallery book thingy, appeared on a card in Rivals, 2 issues of Archie, and was trophy & sticker in Brawl. Though, you guys probably don't count those, since, excluding Archie, they were cameos, and Wikipedia sees cameos as irrelevant. But I figured I'd point it out just in case.  SLJCO AAATR  4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316 23:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Silver? Jet?
I watched a walkthrough on this game and I've noticed that I saw no Silver or Jet (and the plot implies this too) so i was wondering if anyone could tell me where they showed up. Thank you. --InvaderCito (talk) 16:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * They are only playable in multiplayer mode. Mokoniki | talk 00:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

So, about Tommy Tallarico's tracks
Tommy submitted three tracks for this game, but it looks like at least two of them were written by Todd Dennis for an old PS1 game called Black Dawn. Here's the twitter thread: http://twitter.com/sonicmusicfacts/status/1642503151478624258?s=42&t=hUyieDb7LclQlA5f5RlzUA Raizen1984 (talk) 21:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * A Sonic fan account on Twitter is not going to work as a source on Wikipedia. You need a better source to add that content. (I assume that's what you wanted to do with this info? You didn't really say.) Sergecross73   msg me  23:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * All the tracks come from existing works that are not composed by Tallarico. The twitter account sources the games directly, so there's no reason the Wilipedia page couldn't cite this information directly to those games (Black Dawn and Ardenix). 2603:6010:F3F0:19C0:CC97:E94:AEB7:98B4 (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Even your Twitter sources directly starts off with "Tommy Tallarico is credited for composing music for Sonic and the Black Knight." Writing credits on music are a specific thing. Unless the credits are officially changed through a legal battle or something, we go by official credits. Sergecross73   msg me  16:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, reiterating that a Twitter fan accounts investigation does not overrule official music credits. That's not how music credits work. Just like we wouldn't alter the writing credits of Taylor Swift or Metallica songs over fans investigating the origins of their songs. I get that it's popular to hate Tallarico on the internet these days, but Wikipedia is not the place for this sort of action. Sergecross73   msg me  17:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)