Talk:Sonic and the Secret Rings/Archive 1

Sonic plays the role of Aladdin?
I already suspected it, and the game seems to confirm it. Don't you think like Knuckles is Sinbad, Tails is Ali Baba and the Eggman is the King, Sonic plays the role of Alladin in a revamped version of the old story, with the difference he is the only one to have conscience he truly is Sonic?


 * Interesting theory... I suppose that only time will tell...  --Luigifan 12:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Its true when the second form of credits roll at the ned after the final video it shows the Arabian Nights book and you see the title Aladdin and the Magic lamp changes to Sonic and the Secret Rings henceforth why thats the name of the game. --Super Mario Bro.

Jason Griffith?
I just watched the new Sonic and the Secret Rings trailer and they used the other trailer 3D stuff. This time the voice had changed tempo and other things changed to make it sound less like the Sonic Riders game. It might have meant that Jason is doing the voice or Jason did a trailer because they haven't gotten another actor yet. User:Sonicxtreme 2:55 PM, 01 October, 2006
 * It's possible but y'never know. It could change.Knuckles sonic8 02:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about the Jason Griffith to Ryan Drummond thing? User:Sonicxtreme 11:19 PM, 03 October, 2006

The TRUE Spiritual Successor
Perhaps this isn't the place to write this, but if you ask me, this game (slightly hokey storyline aside) looks like it will be more traditional and more faithful to the way most of us remember and prefer Sonic, as opposed to the 360 and PS3 title, which is increasingly adding new elements on which "The jury is still out" on (in my opinion, anyway). What are your guy's thoughts? - Nepharski 5:35 PM, 28 May 2006
 * You're pretty right. I thought the recent trailer made the once awesome game look horrible. I'll try it anyways, but I've lost most of my hype. THIS game on the other hand = yes. --Luigifan13 20:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't like all the new stuff that just maks Sonic seem a little too much like everyone else. He and his games were special. He was really fast especially in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 where he run off the screen, unlike stupid Sonic 1, 3, and Knuckles, but they still ok. In the new games they have some cool stuff but they did it in a bad way. When you look at the good simple and smart mooo like in Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog, who doesn't go looking for trouble as it comes to him, you see something that looks like it'd be rare and different from other shows and games but now he's doing all this crap that you'd never see in a show like that. But at least he's fast again, FINALLY. Axidous 21, July 2006

Speaking of which, Sonic said he wouldn't be caught dead with one of those things in said game. Sabre Knight 19:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Character problem
Since Sonic's the only playable character, does this mean there aren't any supporting characters? --Alexie 17:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Take, say, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (WAY back when). Sonic was the only 1-player playable character, but in 2-player mode, player 2 is Tails. Also, Eggman (Dr. Robotnik) was a non-player character; although you couldn't play as him, he was in the cutscenes and bosses and was therefore still present during the game. I.M.Fearless 00:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Tails was a 1P character too, back then. But as far as Sonic 1, Eggman was there. What I'm betting is that Jet or the rest of the Babylon Rogues come into play with the "Arabian Nights" thing there. Tom Temprotran 04:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Jet is one of the multiplayer characters! Interesting thought.... I.M.Fearless 19:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * fangirl squeal* --Alexie 21:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

How would you control them on the Nintendo Wii? T_T But I guess that be interesting. Jets voice only sounds bad in some parts. To Alexie: "You go girl"! O_o Axidous 21, July 2006 we need to confrim who's there aside from Sonic and Eggman on a side not I hope Tails and Rouge are there they are two of my favorites65.54.154.43

In my opinion I think that It should only be the original 2D characters, Tails, Knuckles, Amy... and it would be great to see Mighty again... Roxyr 16:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The confermed characters for multiplayer are: Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Cream, Silver, and Blaze. Sega has unfortunatly left out the Babylon Rogues.154.20.171.218 03:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't Sonic the only playable character in Sonic 3D Blast?

Name?
What is with all the name changing?! Here's Sega's web page announcing the game, and it clearly says "Wild Fire", 2 words. Link -- VederJuda 22:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Wildfire, Wild Fire... same thing. It's a working tittle (even though the non typed working logo says WILDFIRE).

Like the Sonic Rush demo?
I noticed that this game's "autopilot" format somewhat resembles the Sonic DS demo that was shown at E3 2004. Could we add that to the article?


 * I recall this being mentioned in an interview with the Sonic developers somewhere, although as I recall they seemed to downplay the connection. Additionally they seemed pretty resistant to the idea that they were explicitly trying to take the series back to its roots... -- stewacide

4kids is voicing in this game, unfortunately.
It seems to be true, watch the videos at IGN.com, you hear Sonic talking and "yelling" as usual, and it sounds like Jason's voicing him, again!
 * That's not necesarrily bad news. Some of the voice actors on Sonic X are actually quite suited to their roles, but the scripting department gives them less than "inspired" dialogue.  Robotnik's new voice actor, for instance, is actually very, VERY good, in my opinion, and It's not as if they can get Deem back, unfortunately.  Still, this doesn't mean we have to forgive them for kicking out Ryan Drummond, which will forever remain an inexcuseable offense. - Nepharski5:43 PM, 28 May 2006

Of course they are. From Sonic Rush and Shadow the Hedgehog to future games. The kick out was bad but you can't get Deem back. The dude is dead. Anyways Jason kinda did a good job in this one. Hoping he did as good in the new Sonic 2k6 game for the 360 and PS3. Eggman (Robotnik) has a good voice actor but to me it sounds a little too high pitch, like he's not that serious and he's just some silly old guy. But he's still good. Deem id best (in my opinion) in Sonic Adventure 2. Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Rouge were best there too. But why does everyone hate the new english voices. They aren't bad. I just think everyone's getting a grudge or something. Axidous 21, July 2006

Rumor has it that Sonic and the Secret Rings might be the last game to feature the 4kids cast.

That rumor has been uncomfirmed according to Jason himself. --Coconutfred73 01:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Speculation
I dont see any basis for super sonic, while the wifi and babylon rouges have more basis for them


 * And what basis is that? Unless someone can provide a link to a reputable source, errant fanspeculation should be taken out. -- VederJuda 02:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Traditionally, there has always been a "Final Story" in all 3-D sonics where you play as super sonic. So, personally I think super sonic will appear in the game. That's a basis. There's no proof though.

What happened to the Wi Fi speculation?
It's a theory, at least. And I've seen the theory on forums, so there has to be a consensus of some kind. 03:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Two Years in development?
I've seen the article, and I think The Wiire screwed up its paraphrasing when it said the game was in development for two years. The article said "The development started this year", which I imply to mean early 2006, so the game has been in development for half a year. And "In terms of testing, we have been working on it since last year.", so sometime in 2005; to me, it sounds like they spent last year fooling around with the machine to figure out what they could do with it, without actually creating anything. From what I read in the article, the game has been in development for 7 months, tops. -- VederJuda 10:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Mistake or not, until it is revealed to be a mistake, it is official information. MindWraith 09:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Takashi Iizuka?
When did he become the designer for this game? As a matter of fact is he even involved with this game? I thought it was someone else, I think Yojiro Ogawa or something. (YAADS 14:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC))

Final Title
The final title is Sonic and the Secret Rings Grandmastergalvatron 14:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why somebody did a copy and paste job(the CORRECT thing to do is to use the move button at the top) since the title was NEVER "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings". I've fixed it by merging the pages back into the correct name. TJ Spyke 19:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh...actually, at the end of the German Games Convention Trailer, it did say "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings (Working Title)," so that is the current title, or at least was at the time. 66.82.9.55 17:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I guess Sega changed it but didn't like how it sounded so they decided to change it back. TJ Spyke 21:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh, not likely. It was referred to consistently as SatSR before/after the Leipzig convention, with one sole SatSotR in the demo there. Someone goofed, nothing more. Rolken 10:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was not a goof. The Secret Book in the released version of the game shows various potential logos for the game, and there are multiple logos saying "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings" in multiple languages.  -Unknownwarrior33 18:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

It's Eggman
Please, it's Eggman. Plain and simple. The fact that the official E3 trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen) has the words "Dr. Eggman's plans" written clearly in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X91mKBO0s9c) also proves the fact that his official name IS Dr. Eggman. I don't think a trailer would use a "nickname" when it's narrating, unless the narrator is Sonic or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.227.13.149 (talk • contribs)
 * People call him Eggman a lot now, but his official English name is Dr. Robotnik. Also, please sign your comments (and consider registering). TJ Spyke 02:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you think I'm REALLY going to listen to you when I provided CONCRETE and RECENT evidence, and you didn't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.227.13.149 (talk • contribs)
 * First, your opinion would carry more weight if you were registered or at least signed your posts. Second, I pointed out how Sega's official Sonic website calls him Robotnik. Check the profile section at www.sega.com/sonic TJ Spyke 02:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, my "opinion" isn't an opinion, and me being signed in has absolutely NOTHING do to with this at all, so I don't even know why you're bringing this up. And I repeat: I provided CONCRETE and RECENT evidence, whereas you didn't. Did you know that the American site still has Sonic next-gen's rating labled as "RP", when it's been revealed to be E10+ a couple of weeks ago? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 007kz (talk • contribs)
 * It is your opinion. They CALL him Eggman, but his name is officiall Robotnik, have you never heard of a NICKNAME? TJ Spyke 02:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Um...did you even READ my last comment at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 007kz (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, did you read my comment? His name is Robotnik, they just call him Eggman since that is his nickname. Also, sign your comments, it's not that hard. TJ Spyke 02:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Please...PLEASE at least provide evidence that his nickname is Eggman. I've already provided evidence for why his REAL name is Eggman, now please provide evidence that his nickname is Eggman. Otherwise, your words mean nothing. Oh, and if you want, please feel free to go change every "Eggman" in Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen) article to "Robotink". I swear that it will be changed back to "Eggman", and I won't be the one doing it (I swear to God, Buddah, and basically everyone holy that I won't change it if you change all the "Eggman"s to "robotnik"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 007kz (talk • contribs)
 * Did you even check Sega's website? I feel like I am arguing with a brick wall here. TJ Spyke 03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Likewise. And did you check the trailer? In case you don't know, Sega's American website isn't updated often. In fact, they often forget to update stuff. But what do you have to say against the trailer? Are you saying that the narrator is also calling Eggman by his "nickname"? Doubt it. Oh, and the American SEGA website that you were so eager to point out ALSO calls Eggman "Eggman" in the Sonic the Hedgehog game section: http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=sonicnext&lid=gp_sonicnext&lpos=hp_gamelist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 007kz (talk • contribs)
 * Eggman is what they generally call him now, that doesn't mean it's his name. It's like how Nintendo doesn't call Bowser "Bowser Koopa" even though that is his name. TJ Spyke 03:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

...are you sure you know what a "proof" is? I've already given you a bunch of proofs, and all you give me is one little proof on a site that still thinks that the last Sonic game made was Sonic Heroes, denies the existence of the Babylon Rouges, and thinks that Sonic the Hedgehog has a 4 player mutiplayer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 007kz (talk • contribs)

Eggman is his official name, Robtonick is just his legal name. Like how Tails is his official name while Miles Prower is his legal name. MindWraith 04:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You have it backwards, Robotnik is his name and Eggman just his nickname. TJ Spyke 04:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all I want to apologise for editing his name without leaving a comment on this page and an edit summery of “He is the Eggman”. I didn’t realise this was such a big issue to some people and therefore realise how that could have caused tension to flair.

First I will attempted to solve his legal name Vs nickname problem you seem to be having. After having read the Dr. Eggman article (as well as several other, sonic related articles) I can say his legal name is Robotnik as shown by his grandfather’s name being Gerald Robotnik and his cousin’s name being Maria Robotnik. Also, in Sonic Adventure, he reefers to himself as Robotnik but everyone else calls him Eggman.

Therefore, although his LEGAL name is Robotnik, Eggman is his nickname or title and therefore acceptable name to use. Both describe the Doctor’s name.

Now to lay down why I support Eggman.

In Sonic Adventure 2 the Doctor says the following during a cutscene…

“Bwahahahaha!! Citizens of Earth, lend me your ears! Listen very closely... My name is Doctor Eggman, the world's greatest scientist. And soon to be the world's greatest ruler! Now, this is the beginning of the greatest empire of all time! Hahaha”

His theme from SA2:B (which is sung in the first person) is also called E.G.G.M.A.N and contains the lyrics “I am the Eggman, that’s what I am” this theme was also used in a cutscene in Shadow the Hedgehog in which the Doctor also says…

“Those idiots! They're destroying everything! How can I take over the city and build the Eggman Empire, if there IS no city?! I'm at my limit! I have no choice! Send in the Eggman Fleet. CHARGE!”

Also three themes from Sonic Heroes reefer to him as Eggman.. Team sonic’s (we’ll save the world and teach that Eggman a lesson), Team Dark’s (Don't know how long we've waited, As the Eggman watches.) and Team Chaotix’s (A challenge has been issued by the Eggman. This mission’s gonna need them all.)

This could go on into an account of every instance of the Doctor being called Eggman to ever feature in a Sonic game, but instead I will just say this. I have provided ample evidence to say that his name IS now predominately Eggman, and therefore the one we should use. Therefore, I will ask someone to provide evidence that we should use Robotnik. --El cid the hero 12:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: stop reverting the page. i think several people have violated the 3 revert rule --El cid the hero 12:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because they only call him Eggman does not mean that his name has changed to Eggman. TJ Spyke 20:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Look, wikipedia's goal is to INFORM people about things, and in this case, about Sonic and the Secret Rings. I'm fairly positive that in Rings, only the name Eggman will be used (since it's been like that in ALL recent Sonic games in English), so what'll people who know nothing about Sonic say when they see this article? "OMG WHOS ROBOTNIK I THOUGHT IT WAS EGGMAN!!!" Do you see people calling Diddy by his "real" name? Do you see people calling Nicolas Cage by his "real" last name, whic ISN'T "Cage"? No? Well, they should...right? Wrong. When a name is know by the general audience as something, like Eggman, it SHOULD become the more common, if not official, name. Just because a name is "official", doesn't mean that it should be used in every single thing that's written down and/or said. Otherwise, we'd be calling Diddy and 50 Cent by...whatever their real names are.
 * I'm going to have to agree that his name should be Eggman on this page. He has been referred to as "Dr. Eggman" since Sonic Adventure 1, the character himself has exclusively called himself by that name since Sonic Adventure 2, and the official Sonic website does not have him listed as Dr. Robotnick, but as Dr. Eggman.  On the matter of what he should be called, I'm going to put my faith in the official name that is in current use by Sega. –User:Prototime (talk • contribs) 03:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you go to the official Sonic website (sega.com/sonic) and go to the character profile section you will see that they call him Dr. Robotnik. TJ Spyke 04:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Where are you seeing this "character profile" section? On every game description listed on the website--stretching back even to the original "Sonic the Hedgehog" title released in 1991--the website refers to him as Dr. Eggman. –User:Prototime (talk • contribs) 18:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Go to http://www.sega.com/sonic/content.php, click on "World of Sonic", then click on "All about Sonic", then "Sonic characters". They call him "Dr. Robotnik aka Eggman". TJ Spyke 19:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Even in that profile description, he is only called "Eggman". In fact, the only time that he is called Dr. Robotnick on the official site is in the title of this profile, and even there he is also reffered to as Eggman.  Given the wealth of official information that supports his name being Dr. Eggman, and one measley reference on the website that mentions Robotnick (and even in that reference, Eggman is still pointed to being his name), and the fact there is no Dr. Robotnick page on Wikipedia while there is a Dr. Eggman page, and the character is universally reffered to as "Dr. Eggman" across Wikipedia, I think it's more than safe to say that he should just be called "Dr. Eggman" on this page.  Anything else would be unhelpful and borderline misrepresentative. But if you really disagree still, I'd suggest taking your argument to the discussion page on Dr. Eggman; it'd be more appopriate to discuss it there, where if changed it could effect every single page talking about Dr. Eggman, rather than just here (which is the way it should be for consistency across Wikipedia pages). –User:Prototime (talk • contribs) 23:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

So...now that we've confirmed that most evidences points to "DR. Eggman", and only one reference points to "Dr. Robotnik", can we change the name? 007kz 02:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's fine the way it is unless something from the game(i.e. an instruction booklet) says something else because the characters name is technically Robotnik. TJ Spyke 02:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No, his last is Robotnik. His official name is Eggman. We've already confirmed that with a crapload of evidences.007kz 06:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC) Ok, you know what? I actually sent an e-mail to SEGA and asked them this Eggman/Robotnik. I doubt they'll respond soon...but when they do, I'll tell you. And belive me, I will NOT make a fake response because that would be plain immature, stupid, and childish.
 * The name "Dr. Robotnik" was used as recently as Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Riders. Robotnik is still canonical. I do believe Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 established that his real name is Dr. Robotnik (hence his grandfather, even in the Japanese version, is Gerald Robotnik), with Eggman/Dr. Eggman as his common name. They're interchangeable, but Eggman has gotten more widespread use since Sonic Adventure due to Sonic constantly calling him as such. --Guess Who 19:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He is never called "Robotnik" in the games after Sonic Adventure 1, despite his grandfather having the last name. He never even calls himself Robotnik after that game.  Only Dr. Eggman. –User:Prototime (talk • contribs) 16:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with the SA reference.

TJ spike is right. He is only called Eggman here due to the fact that it was all done in Japan, in which where they have always call him by that name. Just leave it alone. Starmenclock 21:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not change Dr. Eggman's article's name to "Dr. Robotnik" then? Go right on ahead. Change it. I won't touch it. 007kz 23:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. This is not the place for this debate.  This page will reflect whatever the character is called elsewhere on Wikipedia. If you want it changed so bad, then get a consensus to change the Doctor Eggman page.  Sheesh. –User:Prototime (talk • contribs) 16:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, on his page the consensus is that is name is Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. TJ Spyke 21:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice effort, TJ Spyke, but unfortunately, it's now time to permanantly prove that you're wrong: http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicnext/sonicnext_full/index.php007kz 04:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice effort, but you have NOT proven me wrong. I know they call him Dr. Eggman because thats his NICKNAME. Your link does not say that is his real name. You have yet to provide any evidence that says his Eggman is his normal nickname and not his nickname. TJ Spyke 04:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing you missed the part on that site that called Tails, Miles 'Tails' Prower. Please, just let it go. Be a man and admit that you were wrong, and everything will be fine.007kz 04:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is that i'm not wrong. His real name is ROBOTNIK, and I have never seen Sega say that Eggman was anything other than his nickname. Am I supposed to believe that Calvin Broadus's real name is Snoop Dogg because that is the only name he uses? No, what about CM Punk? Just because someone might only use one name doesn't make that their real name. TJ Spyke 04:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Then tell me, why didn't they list him as Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik then, since they went through all the trouble with Miles "Tails" Prower? Please, just stop it. If it makes you happy, I'll admit that his real last name is Robotnik. However, his REAL, OFFICIAL CANON NAME is Eggman, as the MOST RECENT SONIC SITE PLANILY STATED. As always, I've given you the most up-to-date proof, yet you give me nothing. 007kz 04:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In Japan his name was listed as Doctor Eggman in the Sonic 1 manual. In America, (who's version of Sonic came out first by some months), his name was listed as Doctor Ivo Robotnik. When Sonic Adventure hit, characters had dialog, and the Japanese language was a selectable audio track, so they attempted to resolve the "Doctor Eggman" vs "Doctor Robotnik" by retconning his name to "Doctor Eggman Robotnik", Not that in Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2, Eggman is not a nickname, but rather his official first name. Appearantly, more recently, Sega realized that the American manual for the first game listed a first name, so they are re-|retcon|ing his English language name name to Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. Because there have been so many changes to his name, the only name he can be called which remains consistant across all the English language games is "Doctor Robotnik". Similarly, ドクタ・エグマン (Doctor Eggman) is the only name which remains consistant across the Japanese-language game series. How can we decide which name to use, then? Simple. This is the English language version of Wikipedia, so his official English language name, "Doctor Robotnik" should be used. If this were the Japanese language version of Wikipedia, ドクタ・エグマン (Doctor Eggman) would be recommended. If this were the sometimes-English-sometimes-Japanese language version of Wikipedia; well, then the decision would be difficult. Upthorn 11:20 PM, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, unless he's (for some strange reason) called Robotnik in SSR, he AMERICAN name IS Eggman for this game, since the AMERICAN website for Sonic next-gen has no hint of the name "Robotnik" anywhere.007kz 01:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. Shut up, all of you. The Wikipedia article on Dr. Eggman states that Robotnik is his real surname, with Eggman as his nickname. Robotnik is used in almost every game in at least one part. His relatives (Maria, Gerald) have Robotnik as a surname, even in Japan. In Sonic X, his card reads "ROBOTNIK (Dr. Eggman)." In Sonic Riders, the boards were built by Robotnik Corp. (albeit slightly misspelled). In Sonic Adventure, it addresses the issue with him introducing himself as Robotnik but everyone (aka Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, et al) calls him Eggman. The name sticks, so that's what he ends up going by. Now quit your arguing. The character's background doesn't change from game to game, except for the (IMO) poorly-executed retcon of Shadow's history in his game. --Guess Who 03:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC) Ivo Robotnik is his real name. However, nowadays, EVERYONE calls him Dr. Eggman. johnny&#39;s pizza 23:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandal Alert...
Well, the page just had a vandalism attack, even though it was kinda minor, but still. The test "Sonic Porn Now" was in all caps and was repeated several times throughout the page. If I knew how to revert pages back to their initial state, I would have done that but all I could have done was eliminate all of the vandalism. I think, for the moment, it may be a bit of a precaution but, we should disable editing of this page from new/unregistered users. Knuckles sonic8 02:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I may be going a bit too far. Unless I'm mistaken, "Terma-hog" seemed to be the last to edit this page on my watchlist so obviously this person is a registered user. Anyway, I was just letting everyone know. Knuckles sonic8 02:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Read this Help:Reverting for info on how to revert vandalism. TJ Spyke 02:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, TJ Spyke. I've been looking for that. Knuckles sonic8 17:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Reversion
Why was this reverted? (Stefan2 08:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC))
 * To make it clear that that is the Japanese title, not everyone would know that is Japanese. TJ Spyke 21:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Template:Nihongo seems to be the standard way of showing Japanese names. This is also used for many other games, such as The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.  In this case the Japanese title also has a completely different meaning compared to the English title.
 * When using this template, there's also a superscript question mark with a hyperlink to Help:Japanese after the transcription. If you don't think that the question mark is clear enough regarding the language, maybe it is better to bring this up at Template talk:Nihongo since the same problem probably happens elsewhere too. (Stefan2 14:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC))
 * There's also Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) that deals with this. (Stefan2 14:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC))

Similarities
Don't you think this game is a heckuva lot like SegaSonic the Hedgehog? --Blah2 11:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxyr (talk • contribs)

1.No

2.You can say "helluva", we're not on Gamespot or something.Which is how I got banned from the forums.Centurion Ry 11:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this game does seem like SegaSonic the Hedgehog. But the game also seems (a little) like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 game),but that's probably cuz both games have "Custom Actions" in them. BlackEDGE MkII 01:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What the hell are you on about?!? Does this have A squirrel and an Armadillo in?!? Or is it an arcade game?!? Roxyr 20:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoa. Calm down. :P Knuckles sonic8 20:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I AM CALM!!Roxyr 07:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

No, you're not. Blah2 pointed out his own opinion, you shot him down, then I (under the guise of BlackEDGE) backed him up. And now, you're pissin' over trivial C-R-A-P! Calm down. I don't want to see this discussion go the way of the Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog page. Oh, and by the way, Blah2 is (partially)right. Both SegaSonic and Secret Rings are linear, in a sense. (SegaSonic is isometric while Secret Rings is on rails.) Aguni Dragon-OX 03:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Dude I was joking. You know, joking. That thing what you do for a joke. joking. Yeah. It. Was. A. Joke. K? Roxyr 17:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...ahem...sorry bout that. DeathGodDragon EDGE 03:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Just stop it-Sonicrules

Screenshot Discussion
I'm curious over a few screenshots I've seen lately. Here's one where there's a red ring. Ideas of what that is? .

Another one is of a screenshot of the jungle level but with a catapult and an egg. As I put down on the page, I'm assuming each stage will feature multiple acts since this does not seem to be the exact same stage as was mentioned earlier. "Dinosaur Island" seems to be less bright in appearance.

Could this be the first boss for the game; for Sand Oasis? . On that note, the dinosaur you see here, I think it's safe to say this is the boss for Dinosaur Jungle.

Two more things I never saw before:. Any thoughts on any of these? If any finds any other screenshots that deserve mention, you can discuss them here as well. Knuckles sonic8 01:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm back with some new news. Apparently, that whole treasure chest thing actually allows you to use its wings to hover to higher platforms once you come across it and, I am right when I say that there ARE multiple acts involved in the game, as both notices are revealed by this source: . Whether there are 2 Stage Acts and a Boss Act, 1 Stage Act and one Boss Act is currently unknown, although, judging from this video, I think it may be 1 Stage Act and one Boss Act but it's not confirmed. But, I think it's safe to say that that purple dinosaur is, indeed, the boss for the "Dinosaur Island" stage, as I'm sure that crab I mentioned earlier is. Good news! :D Knuckles sonic8 20:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoops. It's actually a "pot". :P Pause the video as soon as it starts and you'll see it. It actually says how to use it too: "shake the controller". Knuckles sonic8 20:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Levels
Ridiculously high number of external links just to screenshots in the levels section; one or two per level might be acceptable. I've added a cleanup tag. SynergyBlades 23:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me. :P Will edit. Have cleaned it up more anyways. Will let you know when I'm done. Knuckles sonic8 00:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Done pretty much I guess. But there's still a bit of odd-ends that could be fixed, but I'm not expecting it to be perfect so it suffices for me for now. Sorry I went all awol (sp?) like that. I guess it was slow to prove to this user that kept placing "verify the credability of this source" on the sources so hopefully that proved that a bunch of sources have confirmed what I was trying to source about the stages. Anyway, this another one of my edits that have earned a place in my Wikipedia Photo Album (pssh!) :P Knuckles sonic8 00:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay; there's still a fair number. I do have to ask though - do we really need a blow-by-blow account of how the levels will be played? This is an encyclopedia, let's not forget - not a gaming/previews website. SynergyBlades 15:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel it's pretty important but it is debatable. Knuckles sonic8 22:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop putting garbage down
Whoever put down a paragraph under others that involved the opinions of the person shouldn't do that. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an opinion box. If you want one of those, go to a chat room.

Yes, please. And the vandal that kept well.. doing what he does best, hopefully, won't try a stunt like that again (not referring to same person; different IP). I'm still laughing when people do this. Knuckles sonic8 21:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Inaccurate Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 reference
We know that SEGA's intention is having the users calling simply Sonic the Hedgehog to their new Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 game, due to all the "series reinvention" and "series restarting" thing they are proud of and defend. But I really think there should be a minimal distinction when pointing out this game in another Sonic's games articles. We should not simply trust on what the links point out, because not everyone is in the obligation on clicking it to check that out. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, being its premise to make things very clear to their users since the fist moment, and not just when they have made a mouse click on the link. Seriously, we are not going to harm or violate any game title copyright or license if we just put a 2006 specification into parenthesis after the Sonic the Hedgehog game's title (resulting in something like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)), because that's the function of a parenthesis: an explanation to make things clear in order to avoid any tipe of confussion nor inaccuracy, placed apart from the real text (in this case, game's real title). Wesker85 04:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I've (almost) always used 2006 after the gme page but lately, people have been messing with it, simply putting it as Sonic the Hedgehog. People should not alter this, please. Like the above user mentioned, it's to make a distinction and it should not be changed just because it may not "look" like it doesn't fit or for whatever other reason. Knuckles sonic8 16:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC) Oh, and BTW, it's inaccurate. :D
 * This isn't done for other articles though. For example, when talking about a movie that has been remade (like King Kong) the date is only addded when talking about more than one version of it (to set them apart). Since this only mentions the 2006 version (and not the Master System or Genesis version), there is no need to add 2006 to it. TJ Spyke 23:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's not get into a debate over this as is the case with other Sonic-based topics on other pages. You can't really make an exception here just because the article does not refer to the Original STH. It needs to be consistent, as is the case on other pages. That's what it all boils down to. Knuckles sonic8 23:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wicked New Boxart!
See for yourselves, everyone. I'm thinking we should add it to the article: http://www.gamecrazy.com/games/game.aspx?ID=11324, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000IONGVI/ref=dp_image_text_0/002-2797934-7851238?ie=UTF8&n=468642&s=videogames. Knuckles sonic8 00:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there proof that it is real? I remember that Zelda: TP had a lot of fake box art showing up (hell, IGN even had the fake box art days before the game came out). TJ Spyke 00:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to double check that. :P How reliable are you expecting my source(s) to be in the event that I come across one/a few? Knuckles sonic8 01:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know really, I just think there should be some proof that it is real and not just one of these temporary boxes retailers sometimes list for games. TJ Spyke 01:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll get back to this. Knuckles sonic8 02:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Temporary art is generally already-released art slapped on a template with a logo thrown on top. This art has yet to be released on anything other than this box art. I think it is safe to assume it is real. --Guess Who 00:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, we know that it's defenitely REAL. We just don't know that if it's the final box art or not. Nevertheless, I think we should replace the old image with this one, since it IS the most recent one.63.227.1.55 01:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so too. Knuckles sonic8 02:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd put the picture on the page...but I don't know how....63.227.1.55 06:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Me neither. :P Can anyone help us? Knuckles sonic8 01:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * More sources have revealed it testifying to the fact that it may, indeed, be official:, Knuckles sonic8 02:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I added it. TJ Spyke 02:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, although, nothing shows up for me... Knuckles sonic8 03:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's wierd: When you type in "Sonic wii" in the search box, the article with the newly-added image shows up. But if you type "Sonic and the Secret Rings", the same article shows up....with the OLD image.63.227.1.55 04:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow...that boxart is wicked! DeathGodDragon EDGE 17:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Told ya! And TJ, it's up now thanks again. It looks nice the way you put it in. Knuckles sonic8 20:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

One Question
Does Sonic's "wildifire" power come from that ring he's wearing on his finger? (I just noticed that too.) DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

No, the ring lets him travel into the book, i'm pretty sure the wildfire comes from his heart. MindWraith 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

That's right. Knuckles sonic8 21:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow; that tidbit was in the article and I didn't even see it! Man, I am dumb! DeathGodDragon EDGE 22:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Mind Wraith, the power itself comes from the ring. The fireballs do technically come from his chest area when activating the move, but that's not what the question was about. Well, at least I'm assuming the above comment is sarcasm. I do believe that Knuckles sonic8's comment is in reply to the question, and not to Mind Wraith's comment, but I do not know. --69.210.123.36 00:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Branching paths?
I've looked around, and this article seems to show evidence of branching paths, but it seems to be the only source verifying it. Should it be included along with the rest? Or should I wait for more confirmation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.252.7.49 (talk) 03:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

Actually, some screenshots reveal this and even one video somewhere of Dinosaur Jungle as well. There is one near the end of Sand Oasis too. So, yeah, it is true. They're not necessarily "long" or "paths" per se in comparison to other Sonic games like Sonic Riders but their more like shortcuts and that's pretty much what they are and they lead to or, in fact, are these "paths". So anyway, it is "verified" you could say. I'll get sources of what I'm referring to when I come across it. Knuckles sonic8 20:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I see, although I haven't seen these videos. They would be nice, as you said. 64.252.2.197 21:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Gonna go on a search for them now, okay? Hopefully I can find the vid as it'll be harder to find this than the screens I guess. Knuckles sonic8 22:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

->The shortcut I was referring to for Sand Oasis. I think it's the only one I know of off the top of my head at the moment.

->In the "Jungle Area" (I like to call it) of Dinosaur Island, there are quite a few shortcuts. Compare this screen to this one:. As you can see this is obviously a seperate path up top the normal path below. The start of the normal path comes from the log water ride and it leads you to the start of this area, which is here.

->This platform can be reached by using the shortcut shown above, if I'm correct. This is a continuation of that path.

In the "Dinosaur Area", there are quite a few which are quite obvious, really. You can, obviously, travel across the backs of dinosaurs but some you'll need to get onto yourself other than the first one which is, presumably, where the normal path leads to.

->As you can see in this screenshot, there is a trail of rings and this also leads to a seperate path. This screenshot, also, could reveal "officially" that Sonic can "Light Dash" in the game.

I'll go look for videos but in the meantime, here's a video of the Dinosaur Island stage from the E3 Floor Show (at the bottom of the page). There's another link to the video on the article page. Knuckles sonic8 23:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I see now. Thanks. 64.252.2.197 23:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to be of service. Knuckles sonic8 00:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Um....you guys DO realize that it confrims there'll be branching paths on the OFFICIAL SEGA SITE, right? -_- 63.227.1.55 06:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I do believe that these "branching paths" that they are referring to are actually branching STORY PATHS, which has been confirmed to be in the game. Multiple endings are confirmed to be in the game, so it's likely that it means story paths and not level paths. --69.210.123.36 00:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that too but at least I was able to go in more detail showing HOW it'll be implemented so s'all good. :D Knuckles sonic8 22:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Crud, I never expected that. I didn't really look at that source yet, and generally most of the info can be found elsewhere 64.252.9.15 02:51, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sega JPN Sonic site
After a long while, the JPN site has been updated!! Sweet! According to this source, this is what everything says translated, in a nutshell:

"Everyone knowing, anyone can enjoy the world of (Japanese Characters) to the stage, bodily sensation action created of "simplicity operation"! Sonic it comes to the point of going on a journey to the venture which rescues the world of (Japanese Characters). It keeps awaking in new ability giving with "the ring" of the puzzle which applies from spirit of the ring. Being exotic, (Japanese Characters) fusing the high speed action only of sonic and the function only of the Wii controller to the world view which overflows. With simplicity and intuitively know operation, furthermore power the speed impression and the refreshing impression of raising bodily sensation will be done! ! Series beginning! "Sonic it evolves" Freely using the skill of 100 types, it captures the mission of 100 types! As for prayer character of this work only sonic. But, spirit by the fact that "(Japanese Characters)" of the ring and venture are repeated, bewitchment of shear (Japanese Characters) (skill) giving sonic you apply keeps levelling up steadily. It can customize skill of 100 types or more, according to the taste of the prayer! Aim toward most fast clearing with sonic also the mission adjust the mission of 100 types or more, to your own capture method! Furthermore with new system "speed break" "time break", until now it is not, actualizing "super high speed & super feeling"! The venture which the child and the adult can enjoy (Japanese Characters), and the family and the friend the party game which rises 30 types or more! "Lamp" venture etc "of (Japanese Characters) and magic" and 40 thief "Sindbad". ... Everyone knowing, (Japanese Characters) it will venture to sonic and simultaneous! Doing it does, just that there is no interest of this work. How, the framework kind of framework which consumed the function of the Wii controller, until now is not, the party game of (Japanese Characters) has been even 30 types or more! Even if even if it ventures thoroughly with 1 person also, 4 people getting together, it rises, method and interest of playing, with this 1 large completeness! !"

Nice. Enjoy the walth of information provided. In addition, we have a new stage that has been revealed plus two new mini-games. Pretty sweet but it gets better. Next month, Nintendo Power is doing a cover story on the game so you can only imagine how much info will be divukged then. ;) Can't wait. Knuckles sonic8 20:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Language Option
This probably isn't the best of places to talk about this, but does anyone know if this game will have a language option? The last few Nintendo Sonic games didn't have one, but that's because of limited disk space. Wii disks have more space, so there may be one. AXB-H

I was wondering about that, too. I won't be that surprised if it turns out that it doesn't... even if the excuse is that there isn't enough space on the disc. They've used that excuse before, even on games that should only need a fraction of the 1.5 GB GameCube disc. (Sonic Riders, for example, has less music, FMV, and speech than Sonic Adventure DX, yet SADX fits in two languages, and has room to spare.) Maybe it's just because 4Kids is doing the voices. I won't be forced to listen to it, though. I'll take the good English voices, the Japanese voices, or nothing. -Marth

Actually, I really like the new voices. It's just that I enjoy playing in Japanese, since it's the original, and I like comparing both versions.


 * It's confirmed Japanese dialog is an option. -- stewacide

New Scans
Courtesy of Blackarms.

Here

and

Here

And, if you want to see the forum link...

Here it is

Yes, I just read this in my own copy of the issue. I feel a major update is in order... 207.148.203.114 18:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

New Information Updates
^^ Yes, you are correct about the major update needed. Here are a few highlights that should be added:

First off, we all know now that Knuckles, Tails and Eggman have ALL been confirmed to appear in this "different light" and now we all know what this "light" really is. Sonic has two special abilities (kinda reminds of Shadow the Hedgehog): Speed Break and Time Break. Apparently, there is a misunderstanding: one site claimed Secret Rings has 10 stages but in fact has 8; 10 missions but 12 in fact.

Adding more: Players can reach up to and possibly over "Level 60", unless this was an exaggeration. Knuckles sonic8 16:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932811&topic=33209000 reveals that the multiplayer games is, in fact, a BOARD GAME with a seleciton of mini-games!! It's like Sonic Shuffle all over again which warms my heart well! The same source reveals that levels can take almost 10 minutes to complete! As well, there's a tad bit of information on two levels (names) unknown at this time; there may in fact be secret levels.

For those that don't know, cutscenes are in a sketchbook-like form. There was another picture I saw that revealed that 8 characters will be selectable for multiplayer mode...

New screens also posted here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932811&topic=33228399

The video on IGN where the Ring Fairy says to Sonic about the "King's Palace" is most likely referrence to Dr.Eggman, him serving the role as Prince of Persia.

The Levitated Ruin stage's boss can be seen here. Or at least I believe it's that stage... Knuckles sonic8 17:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice info, but that looks more like the 'Evil Foundry' (or is it Factory?) boss. The surroundings look more like a factory than a ruin to me. In fact, it shares absolutely no resemblance to any ruins I know. Especially considering the fact that that place is in one piece --Ultima 05:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Release Date
I was at my local Future Shop today and on the "Upcoming" Bulletin Board, it listed Sonic and the Secret Rings as coming out to the store on March 1st! In other words, the claim that February 28th is the release date may in fact be true! Knuckles sonic8 02:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Then again, this could be just the retailers choosing a date that is simply a default/speculatory date. But whatever, just pointed it out... Knuckles sonic8 16:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

March 2nd, this source claims... Knuckles sonic8 16:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Eight stages total (new information in latest Nintendo Power)
I just got the latest issue of Nintendo Power, and it has a whole bunch of new information about this game. It says there are "eight stages in Sonic and the Secret Rings, each consisting of 12 missions with different stipulations". Again, there's tons of info in the magazine if anyone has it. I'm just not sure exactly how to cite the magazine on the page; I did my best though. (If anyone can show me where Wikipedia sets its standards for citing things like articles, I'd love to see, because I just could not find it.) --67.142.130.34 03:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

But official SEGA sources say there are 10 levels with 5 missions each, do we believe Nintendo or SEGA?. MindWraith 01:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, SEGA says there are 10 challnges for each level. I'm more inclined to the eight stages, though, as that was more recent. 64.252.9.20 03:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I mentioned this already. It wouldn't be the first time that SEGA exaggerated, I mean... made a mistake with the information about their games (e.g., Sonic Riders). Then again, SEGA could be right for once... Personally, I feel the "10 Challenges" notion is the most likely as it is claimed that there are 5 stage-specific challenges per stage. It couldn't be 5 missions, then, if that were true. Or it could be 1 stage-specific challenge... We'll know in due time, don't worry. :) Knuckles sonic8 16:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Soul meter = Wildfire meter ?
I am not sure but can anyone confirm this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.129.89.36 (talk) 20:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

A whole barrage of gameplay footage
http://www.famitsu.com/fwtv/#

Click on the video screen near the bottom with SEGA on it to find this new stuff. Some Evil Foundry footage, and one or two stages I cannot place. Also, multiplayer characters are Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Blaze, Shadow, Cream, and Silver. Yes, Shadow is here in 2-P. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.252.9.50 (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

You need to sign your opions.:(--SilverandBlazefan 17:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Jason Griffith is voicing Sonic again
Yeah, but he actaully sounds so much better than where he started. Listen:. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.19.141.251 (talk) 23:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Sonic's speed boost?
I was watching the sonic trailer again and I noticed that Sonic was able to do his speed boost even when his wildfire meter wasn't filled up?! I thought that it had to be filled up. Does anyone know anything I don't?Unknownlight 02:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a feeling it has to do with those "Fire Souls" you can find in the levels, but don't quote me on that. I'll analyze it more in-depthly to see if there's something else I can uncover. Knuckles sonic8 02:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The Speed Break technique is like the Super Boost in Sonic Rush. The meter doesn't have to be full. It just has to have energy in it. You fill the meter by collecting Pearls.

Oh!Unknownlight 02:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, better put. I'm still unsure about those "Fire Souls" though... :S But yeah, I thought it also had to be full but maybe that's only for Time Break I guess. Knuckles sonic8 03:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

No. The wildfire meter isn't full when Sonic does the Time Break either.Unknownlight 03:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe at first you can only use the Speed Break when the wildfire meter is full. Then you can upgrade it so you can do it whenever. Same with the Time Break.Unknownlight 03:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Babylon Rogues
I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning them specifically, though I know that there is some association between them and the Arabian Nights theme—Babylon is located in the middle east, and in Sonic Riders it is said that they are decended from genies. I'm just as happy with leaving them in there as an example of a character who is not known to be in the game, but is it worth mentioning any unconfirmed characters at all? -- VederJuda 13:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I mentioned the possibility of unconfirmed characters, more specifically the Babylon Rogues, before but it wasn't accepted. I added a little blurb about them on the page but I think it got removed, I don't know. I strongly hope that they'll be in the game somehow... Knuckles sonic8 20:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that they will be in the game, and if not all of them, then at least Jet. However, it's only a hunch. Regardless of the aspect, they shouldn't even be listed until it's confirmed if they are in the game or not. Other characters may have a CHANCE of appearing, but Wikipedia relies on it's truth and reliability, so speculations and rumors are out. --Ultima 16:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I just found this! , one of the pictures show the Babylon Rogues! magiciandude 22:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Told ya! Anyway, I already update the pages extensively with regards to that link. I didn't even check this page until now. Knuckles sonic8 23:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You people... that was just a picture of Jet in what was obviously an artwork page in the Special Book. If you looked closer, you could see artwork from SA2B and Sonic Heroes. That picture of Jet was nothing more than Sonic Riders artwork. The Babylon Rogues are NOT confirmed to be in this game.AXB-H


 * Knuckles sonic8 changed the article to say they were in it, and also added that Amy was a princess of some sort; both of which come from the Famitsu article (he only linked the source to Amy, but he did on the Babylon Rogues article.) I just figured that he could read Japanese and read the article for the info, instead of gleaming it from a picture, since there's no picture showing Amy in the story mode. Since I cannot read Japanese, and can only see the picture, I can't say whether or not they are in there. -- VederJuda 12:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, look. First off, I cannot read Japanese but I read a translation of it. Secondly, maybe I exaggerated a bit with Amy Rose's princess figure. I DID realize that it's the Sonic Shuffle picture of her but it seems like she has feathers above her head in the picture, that's how I came to that conclusion. Next, the Babylon Rogues ARE in the game. But regarding what AXB-H said, you're right, they are artworks from games. The first page is called "History" according to the translation. It displays shots form games. As you can see, it does so in a logical sequence. 15 is Riders (although 06 probably should've been that but maybe they're not putting it in) 13 is Heroes, 11 is SA2, 10 is Shuffle and as for 7, I'm not sure but it SEEMS to be Chaotix but that's just an assumption. Getting to my point, the game's unlockables on this page take the form of Shuffle. If any of you have played it, you would know. Certain pictures in Shuffle allowed players to unlock new things. Most likely, this is the case here. Certain pictures will allow you to unlock new characters on this page. That is how I got to the conclusion of Jet. There is another source too but it's on GameFAQS and you may not find that very reliable so I try my best to avoid sources from GameFAQS wherever possible. Sonic Stadium also supports this too if I'm not mistaken. I'm trying my best to explain myself so I hope I did a pretty good job. If you're still confused, I'll be sure to clear any misconceptions up. In the meantime, I'm heading over right now to change my phrase about Amy's role. Knuckles sonic8 17:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the GameFAQs message boards, cause that's obviously not a good source, unless its a link to another more reliable source, in which case you'd point to that instead. Ultimately all this bickering is kind of pointless since the game is out in two weeks and then we'll know for certain. -- VederJuda 17:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, something else to point out. The PRIMA Strategy Guide comes out soon and when it does, scans will be made. At that time, we can replace GameFAQS sources on the page with more reliable ones. Also, ONM comes out with an 8-page review on the 16th I believe. That's something else to look forward to. In both cases, more information will be divulged once I come to learn of it. Would you guys like me to post every bit of information I find in the next two weeks, regardless of where it's source is from? Knuckles sonic8 17:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Either of those would be pretty reliable. -- VederJuda 17:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Knuckles sonic8, I don't recall any confirmation that the Babylon Rogues were in the game. Jet is cameoing in the game, we know that for a fact--but any physical appearances in-game haven't been revealed, yet. Doesn't mean he isn't, but it still is no confirmation. If you've got a CONFIRMATION that Jet (or the Babylon Rogues in general) is in the game, that'd be one thing. --Ultima 21:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I do, but you'll have to wait a week. :) Knuckles sonic8 21:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's fine, but personal sources can't be cited. I expected the Rogues to appear for a long time, but personal speculations shouldn't be cited here, nor should personal sources. Unless we know for a solemn fact, from a source that Wikipedia can reference, leave it out. --Ultima 14:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Plot Twist
Just been looking over this interview and, first, I would like to say that on GameFAQS, a user (who's been revealing much about the game) originally stated that Erazor is not, yes, not the main villain of the story; "Sonic only thinks so". Well, this recent preview confirms that! Here's the excerpt (Italic and Bolds by me for emphasis):

"Unfortunately his first encounter with Erazor goes pretty poorly and he winds up getting shot in the chest with a fire arrow that is slowing burning out, like a fuse. Erazor tells the hedgehog that the only way he'll remove the arrow is if Sonic travels into the world of the Arabian Nights and collects the seven secret world rings. While helping a villain isn't typically Sonic's style, the spirited hedgehog doesn't have much in the way of a choice as his life will be "forfeit" if he doesn't bring the rings back before the arrow's fire burns out. (D'oh!)

So, with his life on the rapidly burning line, Sonic heads off to do what he does best, collect rings. Fortunately Shahra comes along for the ride to lend a hand, which is the least she can do, considering she got him in the mess in the first place."

Now I'm really getting into the Story! Knuckles sonic8 17:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought that the story was kinda weird in the first place. Now it's sounding more like a sonic game. That also explains why sonic has fire abilities too. We should put this in the article.Unknownlight 22:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Added. I did my best but I think it can be improved. What do you all think? Knuckles sonic8 23:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I added that it's burning out like a fuse.Unknownlight 05:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * How does this confirm, at all, that someone other than Erazor is the game's main villain? I don't see this confirming anything at all. I don't doubt that it's the case, but it doesn't confirm a thing. --Ultima 21:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't word it properly sorry. I meant to say that the excerpt/prose I recently added to the article was part of the Story. HOWEVER, Erazor is not the main villain of the story. There is another "force", if you will, that threatens Sonic/Arabian Nights world. But that aside, trying to defend my mistake, Sonic's life is on the line, the fuse is the villain. There. :) Just kidding. Don't worry. I'm getting this game when it comes out and by then, I'll post EVERYTHING I discover for sure. Until that time, though, I'm sure more will come up... Knuckles sonic8 21:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep your GameFAQs fan cruft out of Wikipedia until it's confirmed by more reliable sources. --User:Guess Who, not logged in


 * Yes, keep the information out of Wikipedia unless you have a reliable source that we can actually REFERENCE. Until that time, or until it's confirmed in-game, keep quiet about it. --Ultima 14:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

EGM Article
Alright, EGM's latest magazine has been released and their eight-page review of Sonic and the Secret Rings is out. I don't have the article myself, but others have mentioned it. Feel free to keep this info out of the article until you can get it yourself, but here's what I've heard about it.

In the realm of information, not much is given. The review is pretty nice, though. They gave it an 81% (they gave Shadow a 60% and Riders 47% [though I don't understand why], I do believe). Cons include lack of speed at the beginning (it gets faster as you level up), dynamic camera views cause difficulties in gameplay the first time playing through them, and some areas can cause repetitive death until you figure it out--and once you do, it's generally easy to pass.

The Party Mode (according to them) is alright, but needs some more work. They said that each player usually only gets about one round in the minigames, which makes it go by a little too fast (obviously this is only during the turn-based minigames).

Now lastly, some game info. They actually didn't reveal much, though. They did confirm that Aladdin was in the game, though, but didn't say who played him. They also mentioned that the "lose-twenty-rings-per-hit" is a special ability that needs to be unlocked and equipped. Nice review, but not a lot of info. --Ultima 15:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's from the UK's Official Nintendo Magazine, not EGM. --User:Guess Who. not signed in

And the "lost-twenty-rings" thing was already in the article, put up by yours truly. You missed a bit of info which I'll get to in a minute. Knuckles sonic8 19:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Agh, your right. I was confused when posting that... heh... And yes, the "lose-twenty-rings" may be in the article, but the ONM Article stated that the feature needed to be unlocked. Before, it was assumed that it was available from the start. Anyway, I'd change that title (EGM to ONM), but I don't think I should. --Ultima 21:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Shadow in Sonic and the secret rings
will Shadow be in the story mode —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonicrules (talk • contribs) 01:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Probably. But it is not confirmed and should not be in the article.Unknownlight 02:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

According to [this article], secondary characters like Shadow will be unlocked during play, but are only playable in the multiplayer mini-games, not the main story. Kelvingreen 12:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

There is confirmation of an "Aladdin" character. Personally, I'd see Shadow fit the bill but as it's unconfirmed, we'll have to wait and see... Knuckles sonic8 17:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Shadow IS in the game. However, it is not known if he's in the Story at all. Kelvingreen, I do believe that the person above is asking if Shadow's in the Story in general, as opposed to being playable. Personally, I think that Shadow will be in the Story--but I think that Silver will play Aladdin, not Shadow. Shadow ought to be the sorcerer from Aladdin, but that's just my personal opinion. --Ultima 19:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

All multiplayer characters are in the story, I have learned but it is from an "unofficial source" so I can't add it to the article. I'll confirm it in 4 days when I own the game. :) Knuckles sonic8 20:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't doubt that, but we'd need a source. Thanks for not posting it in the article without a reliable source, though. --Ultima 22:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No prob. Too, all three of the Babylon Rogues appear in the game but it's from the same source so... Knuckles sonic8 00:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

New info from source: Shadow takes the role of a warrior who beleives "in the way of the blade". He sees Sonic as a helpless person in need of saving. "Once you meet Shadow, you unlock him in multiplayer". We'll find out everything tomororow. :) Knuckles sonic8 20:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Please remove it. The source has been reliable in the past, but not by Wikipedia standards. We'll put it up as soon as the game is released and the info comes out, but not now. --Ultima 23:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Got the game now so I can confirm everything. First, Shadow is NOT in the Story. He appears in a developer's video in the Special Book. And he is unlocked after collecting 30 Fire Souls. On that note, Fire Souls are hidden items that unlock goodies like mini-games and the secret characters. Also, the "Silver Medals" that is mentioned in the article that can be collected are not "Medals", per se. They are called "Rich Ring"s and they are simply rings that add 20 to your ring counter. Also, "Rich Pearl" is "20 times greater" than the normal Pearl in terms of reviving the Soul Gauge. Knuckles sonic8 17:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Bonus DVD
Target is having an offer in which a bonus DVD featuring an "interactive" Sonic comic by Archie is available when the game is purchased there. Is this worth mentioning here?
 * I think so; I'll add it when I get a chance. -Unknownwarrior33 18:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, so much for "Forty thousand years can give you such a crick in the neck!!!"
Honestly, where's the fun-loving genie from Disney's Aladdin? See the section on Erazor Djinn in this article. --Luigifan 03:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but Disney's Aladdin is nothing like the original story. This is loosely based on the original Arabian Nights story, not a copyrighted version made by Disney. --Ultima 04:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

For that reason, people need to stop putting that in the article. For the last time, this game has NOTHING TO DO with the Disney movie. That movie is not the entire Arabian Nights. Now, I don't want to have ask for protection, so just STOP IT. Brittany Ka 23:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Metal Sonic???
The article states that Metal Sonic is in the game, is that true? 206.66.217.143 16:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, weridly enough. Metal Sonic is in the final story. Check out this video.Unknownlight 20:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That isn't Metal Sonic, that's Sonic's "super form" in the game, Darkspine Sonic. --Guess Who 20:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Metal Sonic cameo appearances in an unlockable movie, and rants about how he's "under appreciated." Well, at least, an inside source stated this. As such, it shouldn't be referenced in the article until it's confirmed. Yes, though, that above is Darkspine Sonic, which is a new type of Super Form for Sonic (but is like Dark Super Sonic from Sonic X). --Ultima 00:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * He appears in an unlockable movie, therefore he's not in the game, or at least the game's story. --Guess Who 07:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Big the Cat?
Is Big the Cat really in this game? --Coconutfred73 02:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. He makes random cameo appearances like in Sonic Adventure 2. --Ultima 04:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

IGN reviews
They said in the review for Secret Rings that it was, quote "The greatest 3D Sonic game ever". HOWEVER, it only got a 6.9, SAB2 got a 9.4. Now, theres a difference there. Someone on the forums pointed that out, and they responded with "they were dillusional as they were dazzled by the new 3D"

The graphics weren't "beautiful" for the time, they were PREVIOUS GEN grpahics, SAB2 was a port of a dreamcast game. when this was pointed out, the member was banned. I honestly hate IGN.
 * The Dreamcast and the GameCube were in the same generation. --Guess Who 21:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Does Sonic have or does not...
Have his gloves and shoes on when he is on Darkspine form. I ask this because of the articles (especially this one) seems to contradict whether or not he does. At one point it says he gloves and shoes are indigo blue then contradicts itself by saying "with gloves and shoes removed". Just wanted to point that out. magiciandude 01:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

FixedUnknownlight 03:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it still says that his gloves are indigo blue yet it says that it is removed (not complaining or anything). I'm going to ahead take a guess that he doesn't wear gloves in this form. Also, the buckle on his shoes doesn't appear. So maybe he doesn't wear shoes in this form after all. Maybe those stripes are actually marks on his feet just like on his forehead? Just a thought. magiciandude 21:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I know it's hardly canon, but the anime series Sonic X shows the hedgehog characters without shoes, and their feet look like Darkspine's do. I'm gonna assume he's shoeless myself Demaar 12:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Official character art shows that sonic characters dont have toes. MindWraith 08:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Erazor's voice ?
Does anyone know who does Erazor's voice ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.227.22.48 (talk) 00:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

Well...according to Wiki (as of 5 minutes ago) it's Pete Capella (the voice of Silver), but I'm kinda skeptical. ChromeWulf ZX 03:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * List the entire actor list, then we'll try and compare to see which one sounds most like Erazor. --Ultima 23:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparantly Peter Cormican is some Opera singer who did a few Broadway plays in NY. I guess they just picked him up and said "Hey! Wanna do a voice for a video game?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kirbopher (talk • contribs) 03:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Nunchuck ?
The quote near the beginning of this article says "The game will not make extensive use of the Nunchuk peripheral, but it will be used in some of the mini-games in the Party mode of the game." The article referenced says "We tried the Nunchuk controller and other things, but we ended up knowing that holding the controller sideways would allow players to play the game for a long time without getting tired. As a contrast, in the party mode, we wanted players to fully use the controller in different ways." It neither explicitly or implicitly states that the nunchuck is used at all; in fact it appears to me that it states the nunchuck is not used. The game does make use of the controller in "different ways," i.e., pointing, shaking, and positioning it in a certain direction, but I don't believe it uses the nunchuck at all. Correct me if I'm wrong? Yubimusubi 21:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Nunchuk is not used, you're right. Knuckles sonic8 00:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I modified the statement Yubimusubi 20:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Jason & co. are still voicing the Sonic characters
I emailed him in his myspace account and he said the rumors about the 4kids actors not voicing the Sonic characters anymore is uncomfirmed, so I will remove the rumor of the 4kids actors not voicing anymore to not cause any confusion. --Coconutfred73 15:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.sonic-cult.org/newsx/fullnews.php?id=116 A sega representitive's word should be taken on a higher account than a voice actors, remember, Ryan Drummond didn't know he was fired until he emailed sega asking about when they needed him to record for the next game. Takuthehedgehog 02:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * But it didn't say SEGA actually said that? --Coconutfred73 02:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Right above the green box at the bottom it says:

"UPDATE: Holy jesus fuck you anti-4kids faggots are literally insane. After posting this I was flooded with emails asking me about this VA shit. Personally I think all Sonic characters should be mutes because Sega can't pick VA's for shit (Sorry Drummond, not a fan). Anyway, this is what Spindash had to tell me in #cult

 Spindash

 did a PR guy say anything about the 4kids cast

 or is that your speculation

 he did specifically say that after WildFire and Next, Sega will have no reason to keep the 4Kids staff

 Sonic X's run is over, no reason to sync the games with the cast of a non-airing TV show

 They CAN still use 4Kids, but unlikley since the show is over

In other words, it's not his own speculation, it came from a Sega rep at the show.

So there's your clarification. Now go back to boycotting your shitty games games and your faggy anime that already suck in the first place, because in the end it won't make an ounce of difference. 'WAAAAAAA ALL I CARE ABOUT IN VIDEO GAMES ARE THE VOICES. GAMEPLAY IS MEANINGLESS TO ME. WAAAAAAAAA.' Go fucking jump off a bridge."

Note that starting with the first quotation mark in this post and ending with the last, it is not me talking, it's a quote. Just want to make sure it doesn't seem like I'm badmouthing you, which is what the end of the quote can be taken as if you don't know otherwise.Takuthehedgehog 03:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Notice it said "unlikely" meaning not officially comfirmed. yet. --Coconutfred73 05:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well we're not sure if Sonic X is officially over. For all we know, there could even be a sequel to the show. Don't forget, a SEGA rep also put out false information on Sonic the Hedgehog (PS3, Xbox 360).

Excatly. Also Jason said all the rumors are false. --Coconutfred73 16:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's been confirmed that Sonic X is IN FACT over.


 * http://spaction3.deviantart.com/journal/12065225/


 * So if Jason said to you that Sonic X is still in production, then he's dead wrong.--Hero of legend 17:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

No. He told me that he and his co. are still voicing the Sonic characters and the rumors about them not voicing them anymore are false. --Coconutfred73 06:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Funny, Spax e-mailed Mike Pollock (Spax told me via chat, ask him yourself), and Mike says that he isn't allowed to discuss about his VO business due to signing an Non-Disclosure Agreement, why would Jason Griffith have "special permission"? I smell a phony. --Hero of legend 15:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Big's voice actor information
The infobox in the Voice Actors section says that Big's voice actor is Oliver and yes that's true, but should that really be there? I mean Big never actually talks in the game and Oliver isn't mentioned in the end credits, so should his voice actor really be there? I'll remove it until further notice. --Coconutfred73 02:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Look at this
Sonic and the secret ring is kind of popular, look at the links and it is also #1 on wanted faqs on gamefaqs  -StrongCool 04:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Erazor's profile
The section currently reads "An evil genie/djinn named Erazor who threatens the existence of the Arabian Nights world. Erazor is the genie from Aladdin and the Magic Lamp (whether he is Aladdin's genie or Jafar's genie form is unknown)"... um, yeah, I don't think this game is based on the Disney adaptation.

It isn't. And that statement has been deleted.Unknownlight 02:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

ENOUGH!!!!
Whoever keep's putting Big's voice actor in the infobox in the Voice Actors section STOP!!! Big doesn't talk in the game therefore his voice actor shouldn't be in the infobox! --Coconutfred73 02:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Spin-off or Main Series?
Why is this part of the main series? it's more like a spin-off in my opinion, in the previous games the characters just run automatically in the special stages.--189.129.110.13 01:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see how this isn't part of the main series. Especially considering some people count Shadow the Hedgehog as part of the main series.MindWraith 05:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, Shadow the Hedgehog used to be in the main series chart, and other games similar to this one are in the spin-off chart like Sonic 3D Blast or Sonic Labyrinth--189.129.112.2 19:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why the game is a spin-off just because it has a new gameplay style and doesn't involve Shadow in a major way.

We don't know if it's part of the main series or not. We can only assume it is until we get an official word from Sega. magiciandude 03:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

SPIN OFF??
Why is sonic and the secret rings labeled under sonic the hedgehog spin off titles? I don't know about sonic riders, but why secret rings?--S200048 22:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)s200048


 * There a dicusion about this on the talk page of the Sonic games template. --Bobby D. DS. 19:23, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Spin-off
Whoever keeps putting Secret Rings under spin-offs, stop. NOW. It is NOT a spin-off game. Lyokofreak101 04:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Yojiro Ogawa said so.  Look on gamespot, IGN, anywhere else he's done an interviewGrandMasterGalvatron 05:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Link plz —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.145.224 (talk) 13:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC).
 * right here. From the very references section of this article no less.


 * And so you don't have to strain your brains looking for it:


 * GSUK: How does the story for the game relate to the Sonic universe and other recent games in the series?


 * YO: In this title, we don't follow the original Sonic stories, but we wanted players to experience a different story. This time, Sonic jumps into a storybook, and while players can control Sonic only, you will be able to see characters, such as Knuckles and Tails, through the game. They will just appear as characters from the book.


 * Emphasis mine, Secret Rings is a spinoff, and they all lived happily ever after.GrandMasterGalvatron 14:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, talk about misinterpretation. He said he wanted the story to be different. That's ALL he said. I don't see ANYTHING in the article that even HINTS at this game being a spinoff, and unless you can provide concrete evidence, then this game is part of the main series.207.224.61.246 18:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur. A different story doesn't necessarily make a game a spin-off.  This is a standard-style Sonic the Hedgehog game, with Sonic as the main character using his classic speed and attacks--nothing akin to, say, Sonic R.  So I, too, would like to see more evidence than that simply the storyline is untraditional. –User: (talk • contribs) 05:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. That's like saying Zelda Twilight Princess is a spin off because it doesn't continue the story from Ocarina and Wind Waker. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Willy105 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

In more recent interviews Sega has said that Sonic Rings is the new direction Sonic will be heading towards as they revamp the franchise. Even if it was originally intended as a spin-off, they probably don't consider it one anymore. Demaar 11:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC) Even so, that doesn't change the game's intent. It's not related to any other Sonic game, thus placing it in the spinoff category. If it starts a new series of it's own, then it goes in that series. NOT the original one.GrandMasterGalvatron 16:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Then, remove Shadow the Hedgehog from there. That's an even bigger spin-off than Secret Rings. Besides, it's not starting a new series. It's starting a new direction of the series it's in. Secret Rings is no spin-off. 67.173.62.22 22:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. Just because the storyline isn't traditional doesn't automatically make thisgame a spin-off.  It is a Sonic game through and through, with Sonic as the lead character and speed and action Sonic-style gameplay throughout the entirety of the game.  These facts are not overriden by an untraditional storyline, which is the main difference that the interview was reffering to.  This game is still traditional Sonic in style and gameplay.  I fail to see how this can be considered a spin-off title in any way. –User: (talk • contribs) 08:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't paying attention to notice that Shadow the hedgehog was there. I'd remove that as well.  Not only does secret Rings branch away from the story, but it also branches away from the gameplay....that is, unless you can name another main series game where you are always running in every level.  What happened to just standing around and waiting for Sonic to yell at you or whatever?  That's been a core element in every game.GrandMasterGalvatron 13:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Name another Sonic game where you played in teams of three then. Having the on-rails motion was an experiment just like the teams in Sonic Heroes.  Sonic Adventure 2 is the only game that doesn't have one set character/team for the whole story.  These are all just experiments.  67.173.62.22 00:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds like we need to rework our definitions of "Main Series game". Personally, I think even making a separate "spinoff" category was a stupid idea.  Just like splitting off the handhelds.  Whay not just have all the games in one template or something.  Hell, you don't even need a template!  Just a link at the bottom of the page to the list of all Sonic games.!GrandMasterGalvatron18:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I like this idea. No one can complain if it's just a list of Sonic games and nothing more.  67.173.62.22 22:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

yeah, merge the main and spinoffs, also how has this game got a differant type of story to other sonic games? It seems like a pretty mainstream story to me. MindWraith 06:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

gamecube controller
does this have a possibility of putting in the gamecube contoller, it stan so on input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 12:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Yes when you are playing 2-4 players in Party Mode. --Coconutfred73 04:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

What happened to the story?
Yes I know that there was a cleanup tag on the story section, but somebody deleted the entire middle of the story, skipping from the introduction to the Last Chapter. A cleanup tag means cleaning it up. Not deleting it. Unknownlight 05:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Little question about the trivia
It says that that Secret Rings is the first time that Sonic has been seened with hands and feet uncovered outside of the official artwork, but has been such an official artwork? magiciandude 19:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

This has already been discussed numerous times, the answer is yes. MindWraith 06:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've never have seen one, that's why I asked. magiciandude 22:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Look at this. Unknownlight 00:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh, I meant, official artwork, but thanks anyway. :) magiciandude 01:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess it's not official artwork, but it's in game. What else do you want? Unknownlight 03:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the trivia said that Sonic's uncovered hands and feet in Secret Rings is the first time that he has been seen without gloves and shoes outside of the official artwork, so I was curious into what official artwork. At the same time, in the Sonic the Hedgehog (character) article, it says that Darkspine Sonic is the first only time that Sonic is seen without gloves and shoes, which would somewhat contradict what the trivia says. That's why I asked. It never hurts to ask, right? ;) magiciandude 03:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops! This whole time I've been reading your question wrong. Sorry about that. But you're right, I have no idea what this official artwork is. I'm not sure if there is any. Unknownlight 04:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

i'm not 100% sure of art of sonic himself, but look at the topic a but up the page, it'll explain alot. MindWraith 06:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You mean the one where the one unregistered (I mistook him/her for you, I'm sorry about that) states that we already know that Sonic doesn't have toes? I was the one who posted those pics. None of those have Sonic, but I get the general idea. You gotta admit, you have to wonder why Sonic Team was just too lazy to draw toes. Oh well, it looks there isn't such an official of Sonic without his gloves and/or shoes. magiciandude 20:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then I'm deleting the official artwork park. Unknownlight 22:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Aaaand...done. Unknownlight 22:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

They look better without toesMindWraith 06:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

But how would they balance with their feet? Maybe the front part of their feet is flexible. XD Well I guess this pretty much covers up this question. magiciandude 18:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Jason Grifith? How about Adam Caroleson?
Also, we should note the ending theme for the game, "Worth a Chance", in the music section --Superbub 22:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

heh heh. Just found out by clicking on "Adam Caroleson", that's Jason Grifith's name that he's credited for in secret rings. I'll change it....

"Plays the role of"...?
That's WRONG. NO character plays the role of anyone. That would be saying that the characters have also somehow gotten into the Arabian Nights and are "acting" as their counterparts, also forgetting everything about Sonic or the outside world. That's not true! Dr. Eggman does NOT play the role of King Shahryar, Tails does NOT play the role of Ali Baba, and Knuckles does NOT play the role of Sinbad! Dr. Eggman and King Shahryar are separate characters, Tails and Ali Baba are separate characters, and Knuckles and Sinbad are separate characters. They resemble each other, but they each live in different worlds and always have. Think of it as alternate versions of the character, but it's impossible for them to be the same character (or one 'playing the role of' the other). Hence, the character list should not have Eggman, Tails, and Knuckles while saying that they're playing the role of other characters, but rather King Shahryar, Ali Baba, and Sinbad while noting that they share a resemblance to Eggman, Tails, and Knuckles (who, except for perhaps Eggman, appear normally in multiplayer). 208.101.148.128 12:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

They do play roles of Arabian Nights characters. Tails= Ali Baba, Knuckles= Sinbad, Dr. Eggman= King Shyarya (or whatever his name is). --Coconutfred73 19:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No, no, and no! Listen, when you say they are "playing the roles" of these characters, you're saying that Tails IS Ali Baba, Knuckles IS Sinbad, and Eggman IS King Shahryar. That is ERRONEOUS. They are not "playing" those parts. They are what you'd consider "physical counterparts", but they are not supposed to be the same characters, thus not playing those parts. Period. 208.101.130.232 12:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)