Talk:Sonic screwdriver

Uses
I think there should be a list of all of the things that the Doctor has done with the sonic screwdriver, possibly with episode references. --Jawr256 07:04, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure about that; the list would become far too expansive. It was, after all, in use for about twenty years. --JB Adder | Talk 06:45, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

How off-the-cuff was the Doctor's comment in The Doctor Dances, about 'a long night with a lot of cabinets to put up'? Is there any chance this is the true genesis of the Übertool, or was he simply being facetious? Should we put it in the article? Radagast 12:08, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd say it was facetious, myself. --12:18, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * Speaking of this converstation, shouldn't Jack's sonic blaster be mentioned? After all the article mention's Homunculette's sonic monkey-wrench. GracieLizzie 13:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Toy reference
In the article it mentions a reference to the actual prop being replaced with a mold of a working pen replica/toy. Is there any more information on this? It does not mention what manufacturer or anything, as I am in the USA I would not know. --Rebootedrock 03:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

wrong setting
I'm sure it's setting 2428-D for re-attaching barbed wire not setting 2482-D. Can someone confirm this?


 * It depends on the composite of the material. Harder forms of metal used in later versions of Barbed wire would require a higher setting, where as soft Iron used in the Barbed wire during WWII wouldn't require such a drastic setting, so both a correct. James Random 10:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Stealer of Dreams
It was still unable to allow the Doctor and Rose out of a locked taxi-cab in The Stealers of Dreams.

Isn't the reason the sonic screwdriver proves ineffective in this scene that neither it nor the Doctor are actually present, but are the result of Rose going "fiction crazy"? --Daibhid C 22:32 27 November 2005


 * I haven't read it, so I don't know. I assume it to be accurate, but if anyone thinks otherwise, just change it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The reference has been removed, but for the record Daibhid is right: the "Doctor" in that scene is actually a hallucination Rose is having, which is why his sonic screwdriver has no effect. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Article bloating
I know I was the one that started listing the functions of the new sonic screwdriver, but on reflection, do we really need to list everything? I don't want the article more crufty than it actually is. On another note, I'll be removing that Stealer of Dreams reference as per the talk above. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's quite nice to have everything, maybe it should be forked into Sonic screwdriver uses however.--TheDoctor10 (talk|email) 06:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That would be so fancrufty that it won't survive an AfD, I suspect. The question is whether or not the information is notable and useful, not whether it's "nice". --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The article's only a little over two pages long (on my settings, of course) based on several decades' worth of source material, it doesn't seem particularly bloated to me. Bryan 16:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry Khaosworks, I should have read this before adding my extra bits! I did think it was worth mentioning about distracting the cybermen in Age of Steel though because I'm not sure this is covered by 'deactivating electronics'. I thought what happened was that the SS was used to send out a burst of sound that bounced off the surrounding houses and confused the cybermen into thinking their quarry was escaping. It's not something that has been seen before as far as I'm aware but correct me if I'm wrong? --86.27.60.124 17:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure it really had to be mentioned at all, hence my sneaky "uses include" phrasing so we don't feel the need to put in every little thing. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 17:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Romana's screwdriver
Will check on my own later, but just a query - is the one in City of Death the same as the one she used in Nimon, or is it just a replica of the Doctor's? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Same one she used in Nimon, if you look, but its got a different Head on it that's similar to The Doctor's.

Driving screws?
Has the Sonic Screwdriver actually ever been used to drive screws? If not, I'd like someone to charnge the article to say that the SS has never been seen to actually drive screws. (I'd do it myself, but I'd forget to come back)


 * Yes, it has. For one, in Fury from the Deep (when it first appeared) as well as in The Ark in Space. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Also used in The War Games for this purpose. GideonFrost 10:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Ninth Doctor actually mentioned having a lot of cabinets to put up in The Doctor Dances.


 * Pretty sure it's used for this in Castrovalva - or creating the "zero cabinet", anyway... 87.114.8.197 (talk) 02:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Portreev


 * It was used for unscrewing the bolts on the Dalekanium on the top of the Empire State Building in Evolution of the Daleks. --Sonicdrewdriver (talk) 08:15, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Citation of Pemberton quote
Unfortunately, it turns out that my copy of the Doctor Who Magazine issue with that Victor Pemberton quote in it (#318) is in storage and inaccessible for the moment. Could someone who has the issue accessible find out the name of the interview, for the citation? Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Tis done. &mdash;Whouk (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I thank you. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The Answering Machine
The article mentions that the Sonic Screwdiver has been used to extract a credit stick from a cash machine on Satellite 5 (The Long Game), but it should also mention that it's used to destroy the answering machine at Adam Mitchell's parents' house. --John R. Sellers 09:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The article isn't an exhaustive list, and it is mentioned that it can control other devices, covering both of these uses. I believe the cash machine reference has now also been removed. --Sonicdrewdriver (talk) 08:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

In the Ninth Doctor Adventures, it was used to cauterise wounds and stop a clockwork mechanism using a borrowed cylindrical power-pack
The power-pack was not "borrowed" it actually belonged to the screwdriver in the first place, but had been stolen by The Painted Lady, but was later returned to the Doctor when they joined forces. Good god people, read the book! James Random 10:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Another thing
It should also be mentioned that the sound the screwdriver makes is dubbed in, although the screwdriver itself does make the noise, it generally can't be picked up by the overhead mics - an example of this can be seen in the Idiot's Lantern when The Doctor is trying to gain entry to the Warehouse taht the police are using as a secret HQ, when Tennent places the screwdriver back in his jacket pocket - you can see, just for the second, the nib light up where he's caught the button - but no sound is made. James Random 10:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Can someone contribute any light on the claims that writer Terrence Dicks (ref http://users.bestweb.net/~foosie/robot.htm) and actor Patrick Troughton (BBC documentary just prior to the first Bille Piper series, IIRR) also had creative input into the sonic screwdriver? Thank you. (Reader, October 2006.)

The New Sonic Screwdriver - Not A Cure-All
The new sonic screwdriver is actually not a cure-all. In most episodes, the Doctor uses the screwdriver as tool to do rather unimportant things (such as destroying remote controlled christmas trees, or, opening & closing doors), but never as a solution to the episode´s central problem: E.g. in Gridlock or in The Parting of the Ways, he frantically tries to repair machinery but the actual solutions come from the Face of Boe / Rose. In Love & Monsters, the cane holding the Abzorbaloff together is broken by Elton, not the Doctor´s screwdriver. Other examples may be found throughout the series. Usually the solutions come either from the Doctor´s companions or the Doctor´s skill or reasoning or confounding the enemy himself.

(such as destroying remote controlled christmas trees, or, opening & closing doors),

I fail to see how destroying an item that was going to kill you or putting a door between you and something that wants to kill you is 'unimportant'.

List too long
I have added an "Example farm" tag to the list of uses, as it looks very much like every time The Doctor uses his screwdriver for something slightly different, it gets added to the list. If it continues, then you will end up with a very long list which potentially could be added to indefinitely. I suggest that it gets trimmed down significantly. StephenBuxton 11:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

It's a "Laser Spanner" not a Sonic Spanner
In Smith and Jones, Martha Jones asks the Doctor if he "also has a laser spanner". He replies that he did until Emmeline Pankhurst stole it.

Deus Ex reference incorrect
"The "multitool" from Deus Ex and Deus Ex:Invisible War looks very similar to a screwdriver and is also mostly used to open locks. The difference is that each can only be used once."

This is factually incorrect. The Multitool looks more like a communicator from Star Trek: TOS and is used to override cameras, guns and alarm systems among other things. There is a device called a Lockpick which DOES resemble a sonic screwdriver, but it is a physical lockpick.

As such, I am removing this line from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.139 (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

In-story origin
I looked up this article because I was curious whether the sonic screwdriver was introduced as a new invention, or as something that the Doctor had merely never mentioned before it was introduced. The fact that the first Doctor was locked up by his enemies as a matter of course suggests the former, but perhaps he had just left the sonic screwdriver on a shelf in the TARDIS. Does anyone know if this is hinted at at all? Or is it left ambiguous? 75.73.17.57 (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Sergei Alderman

Series 4 sonic pen
Re: Sonic Pen reference- isn't some of this conjecture or based on rumour that hasn't yet been confirmed? Also, spoileresque? Mentioning it's been seen and is a pen (that much is obvious from a screen cap) would be fine- but giving more details about the character isn't quite appropriate.. RubbishBeard (talk) 00:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've rewritten the paragraph, omitting character name and other details. If someone wants to say it's Miss Foster, who she is and which episode, it needs a cite. --Karen | Talk | contribs 01:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I just happened across an interesting reference to something similar. In a documentary about the 1962 World's Fair in Seattle, there's a period voiceover that says "The turbine engined car of the future has no key. It will be locked and unlocked by a sonic pencil." Hmmm.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.165.190.31 (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Torchwood devices
In keeping with the placement of the "sonic lipstick" and "sonic suitcase", shouldn't the sonic devices in Torchwood be placed under "Related devices"? Other than them, the "Doctor Who and related media" section of "Other appearances" seems to focus on spin-off appearances of the actual screwdriver. Daibhid C (talk) 21:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The various sonic screwdrivers seen in Torchwood should be included under "Related Devices" rather than "Other Appearances". Or perhaps the Sarah Jane bit should be moved to "Other Appearances"? Either way, both sections probably need a clean up. Kelvingreen (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Merchandise links
The article has several mentions of a company that markets toy versions of the sonic screwdriver. I didn't think Wikipedia was a place for advertising - is the mention of the company (and link to their website) really justified? --Thoughtcat (talk) 19:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Long Game - Screwdriver/TARDIS.
Hey,

It says in the article that the Sonic Screwdriver is used to operate the TARDIS in The Long Game.

I personally can't remember this ever occuring...

Can anyone state when/how/what/where?

Or is is just a misprint ?

Many Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.223.152 (talk) 18:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

All evidence merely points toward the sonic screwdriver being able to activate various predefined emergency protocol that include startup, dematerialization and transportation to another location, rather than acting as a remote control itself. James Random (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I would agree with 86.131.223.152's comment, but I don't have my copy of The Long Game to hand at the moment. I only remember the sonic being used to control the TARDIS in the other two episodes listed in the article. I will endeavour to locate my copy and check whether or not this is accurate and change it. If anybody else has a copy and can confirm this before me, please feel free to update. Thanks. --Sonicdrewdriver (talk) 09:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It wasn't used as such in The Long Game...removed the reference. DonQuixote (talk) 12:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I thought as such. --Sonicdrewdriver (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

New image
I've rendered 3D models of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th/5th, 9th/10th, and 11th Doctors' screwdrivers and added that to the page, as there seemed to be far too much a focus on the 9th/10th Doctors' screwdrivers in the images and it was getting to look like a Character Options ad almost. I'd do the 7th/8th Doctors' screwdrivers as well but I don't have a good reference (VHS of The Enemy Within is fuzzy). Dodger (talk) 18:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to say but I've just nominated this file (and the picture of the toys) for deletion - see Possibly_unfree_files/2010_July_4 and commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sonic Collection.png respectively. You could use it as a fair use image, but the screwdrivers do not qualify for the copyright exemption given to utilitarian objects. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * And I am disputing this, as I feel you are incorrect. Dodger (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine, I welcome discussion, I know I'm not always right. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough Dodger (talk) 23:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Craig Ferguson
Should we mention Craig Ferguson playing with it on the cold open of the show where he interviewed Matt Smith, and threatening to use it on the balls of the "producers" who didn't get clearance for the use of the Doctor Who theme? :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Classic images
I'm not entirely clear on the image rules (fair use and such) but would it be possible for someone who is to grab or ask one of the many Who fan sites for comparison shots of the various different Doctor's screwdrivers through the years?«»bd(speechify BOLO) 15:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Lead Too Short Label
Since the Lead Too Short label was added in October, the lead has been edited a few times. I think it now summarises the article quite well, and describes the screwdriver and a brief history. Does this tag still apply? If not, what else should be done to satisfy the conditions of a good lead? Any comments/suggestions would be good. --Sonicdrewdriver (talk) 12:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The lead could be a bit more specific about introduction date and that it was deliberately omitted form the series for a while. Lookijg at the lead just now, I though the lead looked short in relation to the size of the rest of the article (espeically when looking at the TOC). But having looked at the content, it's because there's a fair bit of flannel and trivia in there - and the related devices looks like a load of OR. Essentially the lead is about right now. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

History
I has really been annoying me for sometime that we don't have a formal list of models, so I added little varity notes to each section under history of the difrent types of sonic to not make a drastic change, thought of expanding it or stuff. It's not much, but its a start and I really want to improve it:

1968–1982, 1996

Models/Marks in these years - 4 - the 1st model/mark, seen in seasons 5 - 7 and used by the First Doctor in the Virgin Missing Adventures series and on TV for the first time by the Second Doctor in Fury from the Deep and shortly by the Third Doctor, the 2nd model/mark seen in seasons 7 - 11 and used by the Third Doctor, the 3rd model/mark seen in seasons 11 - 19 and used by the Fourth and Fifth Doctors until destroyed in The Visitation, and the 4th model/mark, seen in 1996 TV Movie and ued by the Seventh Doctor at the end of his life and by the Eighth Doctor.

2005–2010

Models/Marks in these years - 3 - the 5th model/mark, seen in series 1 - 3, used by the Ninth and Tenth Doctors, and possibly the Eighth Doctor, the 6th model/mark, seen in series 3 - 5, used by the Tenth Doctor and shortly by the Eleventh Doctor, and the Future model/mark, seen in Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead and in future Doctor Who episodes, used by River Song who said the future Doctor uses it and gave it to her.

2010 – Present

Models/Marks in this year - 1 - the 7th model/mark, seen in series 5 - present, used by the Eleventh Doctor.

I made this to help -

- User:SammynSophie (talk) October 2, 2011


 * Thanks for your original research. However without a reliable source to verify your information, the inclusion of such material is against Wikipedia policy. And please don't re-add new material until the discussion has been resolved (WP:BRD).DonQuixote (talk) 13:37, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It all seems a bit incoherent to me, maybe a brief summary of the different models would be warranted but in its current form it detracts from the article. I also don't think lots of templates are needed for minor characters that have appeared about 3 episodes. Will Bradshaw (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Is it better now, I have a reference - http://www.rdwf.org.uk/sonics.htm

User:SammynSophie (talk) October 2, 2011


 * Please review WP:RS. DonQuixote (talk) 03:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Too many toys!
A thought - I got a little irritated browsing this article, with all the information about toys, props and replicas being intermingled with, and in some cases prioritised over, information about its use in the show. As this is of no interest to me as a reader, and as the in-show history will be of no interest for those looking for info on the replicas etc, wouldn't it be a better idea to have dedicated show history and replica sections? 92.23.6.90 (talk) 16:30, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at structuring it in a more coherent/logical manner. drewmunn talk 17:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

sonic screwdriver
I don't understand, you said you have not edited the sonic screwdriver page before yet you are undoing things that I have written that can be seen in the TV series. How do we get around this as? There is also incorrect information re Romans Sonic. It was never seen in City of Death as stated. It only appeared once!

Let me know how I can help with pictures, and episode refs please.

Lee

213.205.240.54 (talk) 06:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi! Before you contribute, I suggest you read the following pages:
 * Verifiability, specifically the sections on burden of evidence reliable sources.
 * No original research.
 * Identifying reliable sources, especially definition of a source and definition of published.
 * Finally, I suggest you take a look at the web, episode, and book citation templates, used to cite such sources in your contributions.
 * Hopefully these will help clear up why the content you added previously was not suitable, and how you can improve it. It is also worth noting that the appearance of items as props needs to be sourced from somewhere other than the episode itself; especially where the item has been modified. For this reason, interviews, books, behind-the-scenes documentaries, and similar sources are the best place for you to start when looking to prove such a claim. I hope these help you! drewmunn talk 09:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi there hope you received my message?


 * You said you have not edited the sonic screwdriver page before so how can I send you correct information regarding its screen time etc. As u said, it wasn't used regularly by the 2nd Dr. It was only used 3 times, in just 4 episodes. ( Fury, Dominators & War Games). It was only mentioned once in the 3rd Drs 1st series (Silurians) before returning on screen in Colony in Space. As for the descriptions of the props used. These can be seen in official BBC photos, Telesnaps (still photos of on-air transmissions of 1960's episodes commissioned by the BBC) and of course the episodes themselves that are available on DvD. The uses of the Sonic and episode appearances are detailed on the web and have been compiled accurately. Perhaps a link to those pages should be mentioned?


 * The other information re the purchase of Gerry Anderson props is mentioned on a DvD amongst other sources. (Frontier in Space) as well as Matt Irving interviews re the Sonic Screwdriver. What information or links do you retire me to send to you so this can be updates and corrected.


 * I look forward to a reply at your earliest convenience.


 * Kind regards


 * Lee


 * PS as previously mentioned Romana's Sonic screwdriver Did not appear in City of Death.


 * 213.205.240.65 (talk) 22:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I have edited the sonic screwdriver page before (it's one of the ones on my list of favourites to look after; the photo is mine, and my username takes its cues from the page). You did, however, end up on GSK's talk page (not sure how), and it was he who stated he has not contributed to this page. The article itself doesn't say how many times, or with what frequency, the Second Doctor used it, so it's not necessary at this time to make any changes to the information there. Also note that audio plays, books, and other potentially canonical adventures exist with the Second Doctor, so on-screen appearances may not be the only time he used the tool. As I stated previously, you cannot use primary sources (the TV episodes, or frames from them) as evidence that a certain item was used as the prop. You ideally need to cite a source such as a behind-the-scenes documentary, book, or production log that notes what the prop was. Without such a source, including what the prop was is classed as original research, which isn't allowed. Information on the Gerry Anderson prop is more likely to be included, as you've given a source for it above. For the DVD that you mention, I'd ideally need the following:
 * DVD title
 * Publisher
 * Disc or volume number
 * Location of information (i.e. "Director's commentary", or the name of the special feature)
 * For the interview, if you could provide a link to it (should it be available online), then all the information can be taken from that. If not, I'd need information on where it appeared, when it was published, and other identifying information on the medium and publication. As there is no citation for the Romana remark to conflict with what you've said, I'll remove that now. I hope this helps. drewmunn talk 09:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

It's the same one?
The lead of this article states: "Throughout the programme, there have been many different versions of the sonic screwdriver, as with subsequent Doctors the design of it was changed. It has also been destroyed on a number of occasions, thus leading to the introduction of the next model. Not all iterations of the Doctor have used the sonic on screen; the Fifth Doctor in fact opted not to replace his after it was destroyed."

However, in "The Day of the Doctor", it was stated that each successive regeneration of the Doctor – at least, from The War Doctor (Hurt) to the Eleventh Doctor (Smith) – has used the same sonic screwdriver, just upgraded. This was a plot point: it would have taken centuries for the sonic screwdriver to complete a task, it was revealed that sonic screwdriver had been working on the calculations commenced with The War Doctor's version which would allow the Eleventh Doctor's version to work. This is mentioned in the plot summary: "All three Doctors are captured and imprisoned in the Tower of London, where the Moment encourages the War Doctor to form an escape plan involving calculations which would take 'centuries', but which were begun on the War Doctor's sonic screwdriver and have therefore completed on the Eleventh's screwdriver, four hundred years in its future."

Shouldn't this be mentioned on this article? —sroc &#x1F4AC; 13:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Probably not entirely relevant, since the sonic has been destroyed at least twice since War Doctor with the Doctor discarding the old one and continuing with a new one, rather than fixing/upgrading the same device (Screwdriver of Theseus, anyone?). So "same software, different case" isn't entirely accurate. But you could argue that each model (different hardware/case) has the same software loaded onto each device and the TARDIS keeps backups (sonic cloud?). So when the device gets destroyed, the TARDIS makes him a new one with the last backup and so the calculation carries on from where it was last saved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.103.35 (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Star Trek
The episode Assignment Earth features a servo weapon wielded by Gary Seven. It was first broadcast a month or so before the sonic screwdriver was first seen on Doctor Who. Is there a connection? 86.164.38.40 (talk) 14:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Not Fictional
Actually as of last year (2014), physics researchers from the University of Dundee have been able to create a sonic screwdriver using ultrasonic waves. They have also succeeded in creating a tractor beam, which can pull objects towards the device using negative gradient forces.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/235561213_A_Sonic_Screwdriver_Acoustic_Angular_Momentum_Transfer_for_Ultrasonic_Manipulation

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saving river song's life ?
i think this is a strong statement considering her consciousness merely got uploaded in the library's database 92.88.171.20 (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2023 (UTC)