Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)/Archive 6

SEGA Confirms PC version to be fake
http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/262/ SEGA of Europe confirmed that there WILL NOT be any pc version of this game.

Maybe SEGA Will make a PC version later,Since Sonic Racers did have a PC version.--LavaBall 07:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The letter Sega sent may or may not be true; we can't know for sure. This information is original research and unverifiable, and should not be included in this article. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 17:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

instead of making a pc version they should have done a san andreas and made it on the Wii. (gta sa originated on PS2 but was later introduced onto the Xbox and PC). a game like that should have been made for all next gen consoles. critics may not recomend it as a good game but they have done worse and i for one want to see this game on the wii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.84.142 (talk) 14:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

So you're saying that a letter directly from SEGA might not be official? MindWraith 06:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm saying that, according to Wikipedia standards, a personal letter is original research, is not verifiable, and should not be referenced in an article. See WP:NOR and WP:Verifiability for the logic as to why. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 07:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, if you really don't like that letter, you could contact Sega and try to make the information known in a public form. Just dismissing it entirely through a nuance of Wikipedia procedure when it's obviously a thorough debunking to a claim with shoddy evidence to begin with is disingenuous and ultimately harmful to Wikipedia's credibility; many fans are linking this article as "proof" and will soon discover it, and by extension Wikipedia, to be unreliable.Rolken 16:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not a "nuance" of Wikipedia prodecure; verifiability is one of the pillars on which Wikipedia was founded and is the hallmark of an encylopedia. Whether or not I "like" the letter is not the issue; the issue is whether or not Wikipedia policy allows this letter to be referenced.  To place this letter, which was posted on a forum, as a reference in this article is what is damaging to Wikipedia's credibility, not the other way around.  There's a reason why these rules exist, and why they're applied on every other article in the encylopedia (or should be, if they're not). As editors, we are obliged to follow these rules and maintain the encylopedia's integrity with reliable resources; as such, that letter should not be referenced here. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 06:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not disputing that Wikipedia policy prohibits that particular letter from being cited. I am disputing that Wikipedia policy prohibits editors from taking that letter seriously and attempting to obtain the information therein in a form amenable to Wikipedia policy. And the positive evidence cited (a generic Amazon placeholder) isn't what I would call a reliable source either, but maybe policy differs on that. Rolken 08:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The continual onslaught of misinformation has made us Wikipedian jaded. If you think our Amazon source is unreliable, I suggest you take that up with Amazon and not us.  Inform them that you heard a rumor that a rumor was a rumor, and perhaps they will contact Sega themselves for confirmation.  –Gunslinger47 23:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There's still the problem of: Now, I can't understand Finnish, so I don't know what to make of the third link. However, the first link is from Amazon and the second is from Gamestation, a company owned and operated by Blockbuster. If the PC version is never to be released, then it was unceremoniously canceled. There is probably plenty of bad information out there in fan-world, but the existence of a once-upcoming PC port is what our sources indicate. –Gunslinger47 20:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sega-Sonic-The-Hedgehog-PC/dp/B000GM8ACM/
 * http://www.gamestation.co.uk/product.asp?id=101117542966748
 * http://www.discshop.fi/shop/ds_produkt.php?ref=&id=55753


 * Amazon UK just took down their listing for Sonic '06 PC. I'm removing all references from the article. –Gunslinger47 04:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazon also listed iWork and iLife 2008 just before an Apple event, renamed them to Announcement 1 and 2 but finally took them down when they didn't exist. I don't think Amazon is very good proof. 82.29.250.53 00:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The PC Sonic The Hedgehog did exist - it's advertised on the back page of the Sonic Riders instruction manual (it says it's on PC DVD and XBox 360, no mention of PS3). I guess it was cancelled. Digifiend 08:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was going to say. The PC version isn't "fake", it's just canceled. It clearly existed at one point and was advertised in official Sega merchandise. BlazeHedgehog (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Creation of an "abilities" heading
I've noticed that the information on the gameplay of the three hedgehogs (Sonic, Silver and Shadow) goes to excessive length to describe their abilities. I don't have the game and therefore don't quite know how to do it, but it would be a good idea to create a heading quickly describing the abilities of the various characters, perhaps in a table to show which ones are shared and which differ from each character. What do you think? (211.30.189.31 07:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC))

Confusions
What should be mentioned in this article, is that this game should not be confused with the Sega Genesis game of the same name. --PJ Pete


 * Such as in the second paragraph, for example? –Gunslinger47 02:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Plothole
''I think I noticed a plothole in the end.
 * At the end when Elise felt a "familiar wind" and then it showed a FULL moon.
 * Then I remebered that in Sonic Adventure 2 where Shadow first appeared, that the Ark blasted the moon showing a threat to the erath.
 * But if Sega ignored then how did Shadow and Rouge appear?''

Please reply about this --StrongCool 23:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Other side of the moon, or you could consider that it's a mistake.  Hello 21  12  22:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about calling it a Plothole. But still it took out more than 25% of the moon.


 * I'm pretty sure that the side of the moon we see is always the same... but at any rate, despite the moon being partially destroyed in SA2, it's been shown as full more than once in other games before this one (notably Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog), so it's hardly an issue unique to this game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.142.130.59 (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, in the Hang Castle level of Sonic Heroes, a full moon is shown, and in some commercials and previews etc in Shadow the hedgehog a full moon is shown as well, and possibly in some levels, despite the fact that canonically, Eggman blew up half the moon in SA2B. Perhaps as in Sonic X, the moon was reconstructed, weather out of metal or rock, and weather by Eggman (or possibly GUN) is not known. Notably, in Sonic X Eggman rebuilds the half of the moon out of metal and it is referred to after that as the Egg Moon.

^ It seems some peoples don't like using their heads >.> Eggman DIDN'T blew up half the moon. Just a little part of it. So everytime the moon is shown looking unscratched, that's because is showing the side that is intact. And the moon in the opening of Shadow the Hedgehog DOES show the part Eggman blew up, revealing its "scar". So do everyone a favor and THINK posting stupid messages _-_

If you ask me, just ignore the moon. It's not that big a deal in the Sonic games. Just there for the background.

^ You do realize, however, that anyone who even PLAYS the new Sonic games doesn't like using their head, right? Sega just sucks at making storylines, thats all. And of course, at the end, ELise just HAS to remember who Sonic was, even after they put out the eternal flame in the past or however the hell they did it. Arson (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Sonicfan93

GAMEHEAD Confirms PC version Delayed
Sonic Next is delayed according to GAMEHEAD.com.au, and have received a new release date. According to a recent email received March 28, the game is still coming, albeit late on April 29. This is the email (and you can ask them too at the address shown by clicking the live help desk box in the upper right-hand corner):

Hi (name),

All of the release dates listed on GAMEHEAD.com.au are confirmed dates for actual titles forwarded to us exclusively by the publisher.

These dates can be subject to change at the publisher’s discretion; however they’re generally accurate to the minute as we update them constantly to reflect the publisher’s schedules.

Kind regards, GAMEHEAD – Customer Service Team.

Suite 603, Level 6 6 Help Street Chatswood, NSW 2067 Australia ABN: 26 106 596 703

In addition, no one has yet received a cancellation on their preorder for Sonic the Hedgehog (PC) on Amazon.co.uk. Before the game was removed from the site, it stated "limited availability", so it was probably removed due to preorder limits being filled on the game. –Sonichedgehog360 16:01, 28 March 2007

As of yet, only Australia is confirmed, so I put an Australia flagcon for the PC release on April 29, 2007. –Sonichedgehog360 16:12, 28 March 2007

Hi (name),

Sonic Riders for PC is a port of the console title of the same name, while Sonic The Hedgehog on PC is the next-gen title currently under release on PS3 and Xbox360.

The Sonic Mega Collection plus is also available on GAMEHEAD.com.au under the gamers choice label (we’ve all played way too much of this).

Kind regards, GAMEHEAD – Customer Service Team.

Suite 603, Level 6 6 Help Street Chatswood, NSW 2067 Australia ABN: 26 106 596 703

The game is thus confirmed only for Australia through THQ Publishing as this moment. Please do not remove the information previously added again or I will report you to Wikipedia admin. –Sonichedgehog360 17:06, 29 March 2007


 * It seems that cybersquatters have swiped SonicStadium's domain name, so I unfortunately wasn't be able to read what they said. Now, as for the issue on-hand:  We can't use your emails as a reference, though if GameHead.com.au posts Sonic the Hedgehog for the PC as an upcoming game, then we'll have no problem referencing that.
 * I've searched over their site, however it seems that the game is not listed at the moment. If you can find their entry or if it's posted at a later date, then feel free to reinsert your reverted contributions.  For more information on this step, please read Attribution. –Gunslinger47 02:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, there it is: http://gamehead.com.au/product.php?productid=92616&cat=&page=1 –Gunslinger47 02:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * More Australians agreeing:
 * http://www.aussiegamer.com.au/catalog/sonic-hedgehog-p-17865.html
 * http://www.gamesmarket.com.au/details.php?ProdID=508392
 * http://www.gpstore.com.au/Games/1536664.html
 * –Gunslinger47 22:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * All links have had their product listings pulled. –Gunslinger47 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

so,does that mean only austrailia, or only confirmed in austrailia?


 * It's been over three months since these listings were supposedly due. At this point, I suggest ending the conversation entirely. –Gunslinger47 23:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The main theme is "Kids of the Future" by Jonas Brothers?
I haven't played the game before, but is this true? --Coconutfred73 06:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That was recently added by a guest. It was reverted six hours later. –Gunslinger47 21:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This page is incredibly out-of-date
"According to the information disclosed on the American game site, there are a total of eleven stages, meaning there is still one unknown, unannounced stage." You mean out of the thousands of people who have this game, noone has ever unlocked the last stage? As well as many other old things. MindWraith 08:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The page likely need a complete rewrite. It's far too long, for one thing. –Gunslinger47 20:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad someone noticed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.221.243 (talk) 10:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, three years. Might be time to archive. –Gunslinger47 20:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Story summarization
Well I'm new to wiki so I did some edits to this games story, which is too long. I also did minor edits to the Shadow the Hedgehog video game page.--S200048 14:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)s200048 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by S200048 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Useless Info
What happened?!! I come back and this article is looonger. Do you really need to put when each character plays a certain stage. You also increased the plot summary into a plot story. sheesh!!!--S200048 20:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)s200048


 * What happened was one guy rolled back the page to a version of it that was several months old. I've restored the current version. –Gunslinger47 23:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism and action stages
Uhh... someone put info about the action stages, should we get rid of it? And someone made a joke at the end of sonics story. It says sonic farted in eggmans face. I'll fix that part, but i dont know about the action stage part, I'll leave that alone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by S200048 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC).


 * User:Chris288 wants the stages to be listed in the article. You might want to discuss it with him before removing the section. –Gunslinger47 00:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Article needs to be cleaned up in several areas
I found some errors in the article discussing some of the stages as if the game was yet to be released. 71.241.118.226 00:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Be bold in updating pages. –Gunslinger47 02:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, i took care of that. --S200048 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)s200048

Oh I apologize. I was adding more info about the reception (not biased). I apologize for cluttering. Neofcon


 * It's no problem. The reception section could use a little bit more information, but until the rest of the article is slimmed down, I'll be against expanding it.  Here what the section looked like before it was cut:  –Gunslinger47 20:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to clean up the character section right now. Earthere 17:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Earthere

CG movies
I've just found something about the Computer animation in the game. It is made by the same studio who made the CG movies in Shadow the hedgehog. Umm.. i'm wondering if this should be put under the trivia section. The studios name is Blur Studio Inc. I saw it on their website www.blur.com I guess they like sonic. Its funny b/c this game was made in japan, and they're american. But shadow the hedgehog was made in sanfrancisco, so whatever.--S200048 23:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)s200048

Pirates of the Caribbean
You know, people, in one of the trailers of the game, there is music from Pirates of the Caribbean. Should I write it into the article? Leader Vladimir


 * I don't think that trivia is interesting enough to warrant inclusion. –Gunslinger47 22:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What, which trailer? and what about the trivia about the CG movies? I also have more trivia. Sonic Next Gen is the first 3D Sonic game that tails isn't seen with a machine to drive or fly him around. Am i right?--S200048 14:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

NoSonic Hog

I'm not right?--S200048 15:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

No, your not. MindWraith 06:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Tails was seen driving a plane in sonic adventure. He was seen with his cyclone in sonic adventure 2. He was seen flying the cyclone in sonics opening in sonic heroes. He was seen flying it in one movie in the circus park level in shadow the hedgehog. I didn't see him with any vehicle in sonic next gen. I also saw him flying the cyclone in sonic riders in one of the ending movies in sonics story. How am I wrong??--S200048 15:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)s200048


 * Notability. Wikipedia lives and dies by what people think is important to an article, and a fact like that is way too unimportant to be mentioned. The Pirates music may be notable enough. It's a popular movie, after all. BlazeHedgehog 18:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Trivia is sometimes acceptable inside of articles. The threshold for trivia is that if it's not particularly notable, it must be sufficently interesting.  Even then, it should be incorporated into the article.  It should not be the main focus of any particular section. –Gunslinger47 01:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I was just curious why people kept saying I was wrong.--S200048 00:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)s200048


 * Hey, Blaze? I've had a post on your talk page sitting around for ages, and I'm still waiting [somewhat impatiently] for a reply! I really want to know; does Dracula kill Tails in Sonic: The Fated Hour?  And, also, there's something funny going on with my copy of Super Mario: Blue Twilight DX...  --Luigifan 22:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Rush
Is there anyway for this game to tie in with Sonic Rush. I mean, the two games contradict eachother, yet, according to some of the more diehard Sonic fans, it is canon. That leads to another question; is it this game or Soinc Rush that is canon? Michael Mad 09:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Well... acually, after you beat this games last story, all of the events never happened. That is why some say sonic next gen is canon. Maybe that is why blaze doesn't know sonic in sonic rush. Because she first met him in sonic next gen. But after all the events were erased from elise blowing out solaris' flame. She re-met him in sonic rush.... possibly.--S200048 14:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

It's all so confusing. Michael Mad 17:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's obvious to me Sonicteam doesn't really care about a "canon" for their games. They just write whatever crap happens to flow out of their mouth, whether it matches the storyline of the previous games or not. Think of each game as if they were their own self-contained canon. BlazeHedgehog 17:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

If you ask me, just forget it. I'm a bit confused myself. I'm just assuming that Sonic Rush is AFTER Sonic the Hedgehog. But I still believe what fans are saying about the game's ending. That Sonic DOES remember everything.


 * Yes. Sonic's memory transcends time and space to remember events that were canceled out due to a time paradox. Of course. Nevermind the fact that he can't "remember" events that, scientifically speaking, never happened; how can you remember something you never did? That's like eating a hamburger but remembering that you ate pizza two weeks from now. No; it doesn't work that way - you can't remember future events that haven't taken place (and, logically speaking, cannot happen). Sorry. Despite time travel being a confusing mess when used incorrectly, this is something that just isn't possible no matter how poorly the concept of time travel is used in a story. BlazeHedgehog 10:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, If you can avoid the ripple effect (by being outside of time or something similar), you will retain memories. Well, last time I checked anyway. Sabre Knight 18:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Just re-read the article. It seems like he only remembered subconciously, which can happen, and does often happen in science fiction when events are canclled. Sabre Knight 18:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Since the events never happended (mentioned above), Iblis never existed, therefore Blaze couldn't seal it within herself. But I'm working on a theory that since Blaze was now in a different universe, the time/space collision and seperation was enough power to un-do the events of Sonic's universe, but just re-did some things in Blaze's new world, so that time was partially reset to a point that Blaze appeared to have lived there all her life. Also, I read in the Silver's Story Section that when Silver tried to seal Iblis in himself, he was somehow rejected, and Blaze did it instead. I've seen that cutscene, and from what I saw, it seemed more like he almost succeeded in sealing Iblis inside him, and probably would have, but Blaze noticed that it was draining him of his life energy (kinda like Shadow removing his Life Force Bracelets), causing him a good deal of physical pain (and possibly some mental), she interupted the "sealing" and forced Silver to stop, intervered and sealed Iblis inside herself instead of Silver, saying that "Flames are already within [Blaze's] soul.". This was pretty much proved when Blaze was finished with the sealing, because she wasn't in any pain. And, just before she dissapeared into another dimension, she and Silver were arguing, because Blaze was saying how they swore to do anything to save their future, but Silver was said he wasn't sure if he could live not knowing her fate. Blaze is then covered in a soft orange glow, and her voice stars to fade, but the player can hear her whisper to Silver, "You've always been a bit naive. But,... I've always liked that about you..." And we all know the rest, she dissapears, Silver's looking ready to commit suicide with one of Shadow's guns (LOL), he ends up in the space/time rift, bla bla bla. You get the point. -MaceKiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 05:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

voice cast
Shouldn't the English voice cast be separated from the Japanese cast?
 * Why? –Gunslinger47 15:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Because, It would be more organized.
 * It looks pretty organized as it is, with the English and Japanese in separate columns. –Gunslinger47 17:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

A BAD GAME?
I have read all the gamesite reviews and the best review I saw was three out of five stars. The game revieved similar reviews from other sites, showing fifty percent and 5 out of 10 point reviews, many sites even listed EVERY feature under the negative section. My dad owns a PS3, and I wanted to buy this game but now I'm not so sure. Anyone who owns the PS3 version of SONIC THE HEDGEHOG and is a SONIC fan, could you please tell me if the game is as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Thanks.


 * {fun's over, deleted}


 * I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as this are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Please refrain from doing this in the future. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. –Gunslinger47 13:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We could actually benifite from those articles. If you could find them again, then we could include those reviews under "reception". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.98.29 (talk) 07:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Its not all bad but theres way too many loading screens, all 3 hedgehog boss scripts are done poorly they all get 1 attack only and spam it, and the high speed stages are very hard to "steer" on. Pyrolord777 (talk) 11:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

spoiler tag
Someone removed the spoiler tags. I want them there because I read the whole plot of the game (which I'm currently playing) when i got to this article. I seriously know i would have enjoyed the story more in the game- I'm not being dramatic, I love the story.

Obviously I was not turned off from the Storyline header, maybe because I don't go to video game articles on wikipedia enough.

But with such a short few paragraphs it totally caught me off guard, in a disappointing and upsetting way- I then wrote the "Plot" section and moved storyline. But my main concern now is that people who want to see the final parts of the article will catch a glimpse of the story- so the tag at least.

Reception?
I don't know what to say, umm...there is some new stuff in there. Heh, some if it might be fancruft too. Example: "But to many Sonic fans, the game plays true." I don't know, but it looks like some sort of fan statement. The source for it has no mention of that statement at all either. So, I think it might be best to remove it. "The gameplay sticks to the fundamentals of previous sonic games (like the first); the levels are speed-oriented, for example, and Sonic remains a team player as he has been since his personality was developed in the first Sonic cartoon." This doesn't look like it should be in the Reception section, it might be something for the Gameplay section of the article though. But, I can't seem to find how to stick it in that section either, so I'll remove it for now, and maybe someone can think about it and maybe adapt that sentence for that section. So yeah, umm, discuss. :) カ  ラ  ム  09:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Of all the major things to complain about, from dodgy storyline, camera, framerates and bugs galore, why on Earth is "lack of a Chao garden" listed as a top-ranked criticism? Anyway, I've reverted it back to the way it was. The badly written "plot" is already written in enough detail in "storyline", and as for the reception, we've had enough debates about what should go in there and leaving it to the ratings was settled on some time ago. In addition, the reception does not need moving up to the top of the article. SynergyBlades 15:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, SynergyBlades, I have been maintaining the Reception section for a while now, but I let a few edits slip by. We could go on endlessly about the games faults, but it's best to leave it brief and let the miserable Game Rankings average speak for itself.  On the flip side, sentences noting that "some" people liked it should also be removed for "some" people are an insignificant minority in this case. –Gunslinger47 23:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand you put what you think is a lot of hard work into this. I PUT PLENTLY OF HARD WORK INTO THIS. and to get here and have the plot ruined for me, an unsuspecting player, and then you want to delete my article? HOW INSULTING!! I will not let my part of the article go without a fight. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
 * Please do not remove the words of other Wikipedia users; I just had to restore Gunslinger's writing which you erased. The "plot" section (now "overview") is very poorly written, with bad English used; I will try and clean it up some. Besides which, if you come to a Wikipedia article on a game, you should expect to have the plot available, as is common with most other games with a storyline. That you went and read the whole plot - lengthy enough as it is - really isn't our concern. SynergyBlades 00:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have edited the plot overview; it needs no more than that. I have also added the spoiler tag before the in-depth storyline. I'm sorry you felt it was insulting to have your edits tweaked, but please read the following: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." This can be found on every edit page. SynergyBlades 00:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

confused
how much doewes sonic and elise remember? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.177.116 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Elise nothing but I not sure about Sonic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.130.174 (talk) 18:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Sonic partially remembered (possibly because he was with Elise when she blew out the flame after Solaris's defeat, and therefore, in a series of scientific factors, theories, and studies that would confuse a sophmore, he was able to retain some of his memory of the "said-to-not-have-happened" event), since he was smiling at Elise during the Festival of the Sun. It's unsure of the extent of Elise's memory, because she only says the wind is 'famillier'. If she'd said 'somewhat famillier' or 'pretty famillier' or 'real famillier', we'd probably know then. -MaceKiwi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.231.237 (talk) 05:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Wii
Apparently, there *was* indeed going to be a Wii version of this game, but it was cancelled. Should we mention it? RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 00:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not apparent until you have a reliable source. –Gunslinger47 04:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it was in a Kikizo Interview shortly before Sonic & The Secret Rings was released, or shortly afterwards. Yojiro Ogawa mentioned that initially, the plan was to simply port Sonic 2k6 to the Wii, but upon receiving the specs for the Wiimote, they split the team in half - One half went off to work on Sonic & The Secret Rings and the other stayed and worked on the 360/PS3 versions of Sonic 2k6. Yojiro recalls that, to produce the amount of content needed in such a short amount of time (9 months or something), he effectively tripled the team's size and outsourced the game's multiplayer/party mode to another developer. Really, I think this helps explain why this game feels so unfinished; they were probably understaffed because focus shifted to Secret Rings. BlazeHedgehog 12:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * XD! Maybe this says something about Sega's opinion of Microsoft and Sony...  --Luigifan 21:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think Wii was around yet when this game was released. If it was, the Sega PROBABLY would have lowered the graphics to make it compatable with Wii (but there's no garentie). 58.174.98.29 (talk) 01:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hentai Images?
This page has been vandalized. I can't figure out how to fix it. Smd 6710 (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, looks like someone fixed it.Smd 6710 (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * For more information, see Help:Reverting. Thanks for trying to help. –Gunslinger47 03:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

squeal
I saw a video on youtube that theres a squeal in development call Sonic next gen 2

I don't believe this due to Sega nor Sonic Team announcing anything about this. Don't believe everything you see on YouTube. Not too long ago, there were rumours of a new Sonic Cartoon in development, but all the smart fans knew it was a hoax due to no info on the animation company behind it, or any announcement from Sega. --S200048 (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)s200048

Okay sorry for this misunderstanding —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.175.29 (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ending
I recon the ending is a bit of a rip off of the Pokemon movie. You know, the main character dies, gets brought back to life through the power of love, a time reboot at the end and something related to the story line seems to trigger a memory of the main character, but he can't tell what. 58.174.98.29 (talk) 01:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

You know what I believe you might be on to something here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.141.26.151 (talk) 12:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Sonic: The Disaster?
This game has been referred to as "Sonic: The Disaster" by a few reviewers, should that be mentioned on the wiki page under Reception? --82.43.141.57 (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as I could tell, Spax3 is the only one calling it that. Who else? –Gunslinger47 02:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wrong about that, you're right, Spax3's the only reviewer using that name. Although it has gotten popular amongst Sonic fans. --82.43.141.57 (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What? That's official!! I thought it was vandalism. Fair field fencer  F F F  13:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's "officially" a YouTube video, yes. –Gunslinger47 03:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Spaction3 -.- Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't care about Spax3 that guy is a jerk! The Youtube User BigAl2k6 destroyed him on his videos and the Youtubers went against him for destroying the Video Gaming Community I say he's nothing but a bully and a crook! Shadowsega75 4:32,19 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should move this to the "spin-off" section?
Given the news that Sonic Unleashed is rebooting the series to knock off both Sonic The Hedgehog (2006) and Sonic and the Secret Rings, I think it should be off the list of games in the main series. 96.250.141.72 (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Unleashed isn't a reboot of the series. It's a conceptual return to the series after the failed reboot of the series that was Sonic '06.  The Secret Rings belongs to a different series of games, with its sequel Sonic and the Black Knight up for release next year.
 * As for conceptually removing it from the "main series", I can't think of any solid argument for this. When we say the "main series" of Sonic games, we mean a main series product releases; Sonic video games released by Sega. –Gunslinger47 20:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Elise and Sonic and the kiss
Why is all the parts about the `small romance` between these two characters not in the article? even the kiss scene is not mentioned here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.122.105.214 (talk) 16:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Because some people here are complete babies and think of it as Furry when it was just a kiss. Besides I don't see anyone complaining when tails got with cosmos when hes a fox and shes based on a plant(it doesn't bother me I'm just saying). Pyrolord777 (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

This game is NOT part of the main series!
Sonic Next-Gen is actually part of a different series continued through Sonic Rivals and Sonic Rivals 2. Sega has actually stated THREE times that this game is not canon to the main series! It should be moved. If you have any questions why it isn't canon to the main series or arguments saying that it is, please ask or tell me and I'll give you an answer [in three days, im going on a mini-vacation :)]. But for now, this game should be removed from the "Main Series" section. Thanks! ^_^ Usernamesarekewl (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Um... okay then, I'm not really sure what you want to have done, do you want this removed from lists?(&#91;&#91;User talk:Kurowoofwoof111&#124;talk&#93;&#93;) (talk) 05:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just want this game to be removed from the "Main Series- Home Console" section of "Sonic Games" to "Spin-offs- Home Console". Thankz. Usernamesarekewl (talk)


 * We're not talking about the canon's continuity when we say "Main Series- Home Console". We're talking about a series of product; video games released by Sega.  Sonic '06 was intended as a main Sonic release, wasn't it? –Gunslinger47 21:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No it wasn't, it was intended as the start of a new Sonic spin-off series on Microsoft and Sony consoles only. Usernamesarekewl (talk) 04:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't seem to recall Sega saying that it was a side project. What source are you reading? –Gunslinger47 05:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please excuse User. I've spoken to him. He seems to think fansite whines are the only correct sources. Please undo any edits that he makes.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  01:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The three different articles that retcon STH06 into a spin-off. 72.201.26.20 (talk) 16:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * DO NOT REMOVE MY POSTS! So, which games are these? Fangames? Back you claims.  Skeletal   S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R.  05:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Just because the events of the game were erased from history doesn't mean it's non-canonical with the main Sonic series. There are plenty of instances in fiction where time paradoxes end up erasing events from history, but they don't regard them as non-canon. Nintendoman01 talk, 8:06, 16 December 20078

Voice Cast
I remember reading on the game's official website that Lacey Chabert's performance as Elise in this game is the first time in the franchise that Hollywood talent provided voice-over work for a Sonic game. What about the 4Kids actors? Don't they count as Hollywood talent? While I'm on the voice cast subject, I remember reading somewhere that Elise was going to be voiced by Veronica Taylor, not Lacey Chabert. Was Taylor replaced with Chabert or was it just a case of misinformation? Nintendoman 01 talk, 5:35, 16 December 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.93.236.98 (talk)

Live & Learn
Where exactly is Live and Learn used because I played through the game and I haven't found it. --Coconutfred73 (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think too. for reference, This is main OST for SA2. --Badbread123 (talk) 09:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Should "Bosses" be added to the contents of the 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog?
If that was added, there could be an explanation of the bosses in the 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog, such as Solaris and Mephiles. I am not sure if that is appropriate enough for this to be added to the page. Does anyone else think so?  語る   メフィレス・ザ・ダーク (Mefiresu za Dāku)  01:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(2006_video_game)&diff=268089475&oldid=267816580
 * According to this link, a section describing them was deleted earlier this year. It seems that the bosses even had indivudual articles for a time. –Gunslinger47 18:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, wish they would have kept that there. Thank you, though, for the information.  語る   メフィレス・ザ・ダーク (Mefiresu za Dāku)  21:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Wii?
Where's that come from? Reference, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.119.164.76 (talk) 11:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Corrected, sorry. This article needs a maintainer. –Gunslinger47 01:28, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Assessment
Assessed as a Start; has no image demonstrating the actual game, has an excessive render of a character [which is undue weight since she wasn't the only important character], has a VERY excessive plot summary, many unsourced pieces and even sections, no development information, and other problems. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 09:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Prose problems
If this is going for FAC, the writing needs to be focused like a laser. Good writing has no unnecessary words. I remove them when I see them, but TheJoebro64 tends to put them back. A few cases in point:


 * " Pre-release anticipation was high" - as opposed to post-release anticipation? You can't anticipate something that's already happened.


 * "the game faced problems during development, resulting in Sega rushing the product for its late 2006 release despite existing bugs" - to "rush" something, by definition, means to do something fast at the expense of quality, so "despite existing bugs" adds no information. The reasons the game was criticised, such as bugs, can be better covered later in the paragraph. (Also, "existing bugs" - as opposed to what, non-existing bugs?)


 * "Since its release, Sonic the Hedgehog has been called one of the worst games of all time" - as opposed to before its release, when it wasn't finished and no one had reviewed it? "Since its release" adds no information. Popcornduff (talk) 12:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I think the whole "it was viewed positively prior to release" angle probably needs to be pared back. I don't recall there being this crazy anticipation for the game (outside of the already frenzied fanbase). The series was already in a rough patch after Shadow the Hedgehog (video game). Sergecross73   msg me  12:15, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * fixed. And the FAC has been open for a few weeks now (only two comments, but one is a "support" and another appears to lean on supporting). ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 12:21, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, without meaning to be insulting, my writing standards are a higher than a lot of other editors'. Popcornduff (talk) 12:29, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Prose in lead
Joebro, it's edits like this that tanked your FA attempt. It's overly wordy.
 * Why is it important to denote "the game's story" instead of "the story"? What other story would we be talking about?
 * Why is it important to say "the game is often informally referred to with colloquial terms when both "colloqual" and "informal" convey the exact same message twice. There's no reason to list both.
 * Why is it important to say "planned but cancelled" instead of just "cancelled"? It literally can't be considered cancelled if it was never planned.

Reverting these improvements are not helping your quest for FA status. Sergecross73  msg me  16:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Because I don't see how they're improving the article. They're sort of unclear. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * What part is unclear? I asked 3 questions. That doesn't address any of them sufficiently. Again, this is exactly what lead to the oppose votes in the FA attempt. Someone opposed on the grounds of poorly worded prose, you said something vague like "fixed", and you left them unconvinced. Sergecross73   msg me  16:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Because your edits (and Popcornduff's) introduced typos like "platform game game". That was the main reason I reverted. And it wasn't necessarily the prose, either - sources were being questioned and needed additional fields to be filled out, which is why I withdrew it (it didn't "tank", FYI) ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 16:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Tarkus removed the double word, and yet, you reverted again anyways. And regardless of how you want to word it, the FA was not successful, and at the time of the withdrawing, had 1 oppose and 0 supports, with the main opposer focusing their rationale on things like "awkward or necessarily convoluted wording, run-on sentences, repetitious phrasing, weasel words, and the like." There's three people voicing concerns about this now. (David Fuchs,, and myself) so it's probably worth more consideration than you seem to be giving it. Sergecross73   msg me  16:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * And the previous FAC had one support and zero opposing votes. I'm giving consideration to this; as you can see, I've removed some of the "convoluted" sentences. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 16:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Nice to have another editor making my arguments for me. Joebro, good writing has no unnecessary words. You're going to have to explain what useful information is being removed here rather than making us guess. I apologise for the typos, that was sloppy of me, but they were easily fixed. Popcornduff (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2017 (UTC)