Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)/Archive 7

Sales
According to VGChartz, the game managed to sell 2.14 million units. I'd like that info added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.212.111 (talk) 00:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, VGChartz is not considered a reliable source. You need a better source. Sergecross73   msg me  00:39, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Development section
It should be expanded. There are plenty of things in the game's development that are notable enough for mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thekeyboardman (talk • contribs) 23:37, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

The reception of Silver the Hedgehog
There is no reason to say that Silver was poorly received based on ONE article. The majority of Sonic characters aren't held in the highest regard, and Silver's case is no different. There is no reason to mention Silver's relegations because most Sonic characters have had similar treatment after this game.Megamachomuscle (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not an uncommon sentiment. I can dig up more sources if you're really challenging this... Sergecross73   msg me   23:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead, then. But I can also prove that Silver does have a fanbase as well. And again, Silver wasn't relegated because of his reception. He's been treated the same way as most of the other characters since after this game was released. Megamachomuscle (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The information doesn't say that he was relegated because of his poor reception. It's two separate sentences/ideas. If you want to reword it, since you seem to have a problem with the word "relegated", that's fine, but it's true that he hasn't had any "starring" roles since this game. He's not being singled out, as it clearly states that Elise hasn't appeared in any games.
 * When there are arguments regarding content, per WP:BRD, the challenged information isn't removed until consensus (or agreement) can be found. (Additionally, you usually don't remove the information in question because it's hard for anyone to see it and comment about it here if it's removed, right?) I'm adding the information back into the article, only remove it if there's WP:CONSENSUS to remove it in these discussions here. Sergecross73   msg me   23:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There are now three sources supporting Silver being poorly received. More can be dug up if need be I'm sure. Sergecross73   msg me   00:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * According to what I have red,Silver had been mix received.~Tailsman67~ 74.163.16.121 (talk) 01:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Ratings
NO! Why did we get rid of the ratings? I don't care WHAT you say; video game ratings are probably one of the most important elements of a video game. Sure we didn't do it for movies, but that is no reason to delete it. You'll never listen to me, but I'll find a way to get it back. You wait and see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.148.222 (talk) 05:18, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you so upset about? What ratings? Sergecross73   msg me   05:24, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

The video game ratings, such as ESRB and PEGIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.148.222 (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The removals of the rating from the infobox are explained here. Hounder4 (Talk) 22:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Why in the world are you so worked up over them being removed? I figured your favorite website's review got removed because it wasn't deemed reliable or something. Why so much passion over ESRB ratings?? Sergecross73   msg me   00:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Two things
OK, so I see that you say Silver is negatively reviewed. Incorrect. Silver is mixed reviews, an the Sonic News Network has links to prove it. And don't worry, they are just as strict on links as you are. Trust me, I've been a contributer there. Next, this is highly opinional. but 06 isn't a bad game. 1/3 of it isn't. Sonic's story is the perect game thing, and graphics, presentation, visual things, and music are absoloutely positively amazing. But that's jst me. SDC1998 User talk  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.39.178.156 (talk) 23:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Please provide these links from SNN to see if they qualify as Wikipedia's standard for being a reliable source.
 * 2) Sorry, but Wikipedia just covers what reliable sources say, not your personal opinion. Sergecross73   msg me   00:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Screwattack
This page seems to be protected.

While it is not the total sales figures, I believe this screw attack link, shows that the Xbox 360 version sold 400,000 in North America alone, and that might be worth the inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chan-Murphy (talk • contribs) 02:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * They said they received the figure from "Retro Gaming Blog", which is not a reliable source. Even much of ScrewAttack isn't considered a reliable source, it violates WP:SPS. Sergecross73   msg me   03:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Poor reception of Elise and Silver
I don't understand the grounds for removal. Starting a discussion since Tezero has reverted 3 times now. (My second edit summary was a typo - I meant to say arent valid reason for removal. ) Sergecross73   msg me  22:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not that neither is notable for coverage anywhere on Wikipedia; rather, I don't see why it should be there. Silver's been in way more than just 06, so his reception should all be in the character list. With Elise the situation's a little less clear because she indeed was only in 06, but I really don't think it was a wide enough criticism (it seems like UNDUE to claim that she was simply "poorly received" based on two comments, one of which was from Blistered Thumbs, which has already been deemed unreliable), and even if it were, it should be in Reception, not Legacy. Oh, and thanks for clarifying the typo; I hate when people simply revert edits with a "because I said so". Tezero (talk) 22:46, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Silver, I'll concede your point, unless I dig up some sources especially complaining about him in this game in particular. I fully disagree with Elise though. All the sources complaining about the implied romance between her and Sonic shows that critics did not approve of her as a character. Maybe her not being well received should be moved up there then? Sergecross73   msg me  23:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any just talking about her, but whatever. About Silver, I have seen a little commentary on him in this game (that's most of how he had an article in the first place - albeit it's not really as a character, moreso just gameplay) - but in order to go in Legacy, this commentary would have to not only criticize Silver, but discuss this game's role in cementing him as a recurring character, and that I think is very unlikely. Tezero (talk) 23:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't really care where it goes, I just object to the outright removal. Sergecross73   msg me  23:38, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine; I can peruse the sources for comments about them if you want. (I really don't remember Silver's reception being universally or almost universally negative, but whatever I see I'll add.) It's worth noting that I was also upset because your reversions got rid of some grammar/formatting changes I'd done, but that's in the past now. Tezero (talk) 23:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't object to your other changes. That's why its good to not make too many changes in one edit though. Sergecross73   msg me  03:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Silver the Hedgehog is more appreciated than Elise. Just a reminder that Worst Sonic Characters lists like by Official Nintendo Magazine or Gamespot doesn't count because they include Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Shadow, Cream, and Blaze in those lists, even though those characters are more purposeful in the series. People trash talk on Sonic characters all the time. We can only accept 3D Sonic games having problems. Silver is liked by some critics like X-ONE Magazine UK, Issue 14, pg. 82 says he's "pretty cool." "Decent" just like Shadow by Xboic. The links might be dead or published in magazines, both of these are still, in fact, posted on Metacritic. And yes, fans hate Silver, at least because of the boss battle where he can defeat Sonic before he can fight back. They do like Silver later on in the series. When he appeared in Generations, he became a fan favorite. Even he is my favorite Sonic character. About Elise, I agree that she is the worst character in the game because her relationship with Sonic. That Beauty and the Beast reference where she kisses Sonic is the scene I hated so much. Even if she's giving him CPR, we're still wondering "What was Sega thinking?" Amy would never let anyone fall in love with Sonic, at least Silver is shocked by that. Luigithemetal64 (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of that is irrelevant. This is Wikipedia, so we only document what reliable sources say, not our personal opinions or vague interpretations how a fanbase feels. So that eliminates most of your points above. The only thing you said beyond that is considerable is the statement by X-One Magazine UK, though though I'm unfamiliar with them, and do not know if they're a reliable source. Even if they are, I'm not sure how you'd add it to the article in a meaningful way, as its extremely brief and vague. (No reasons listed why they liked him, for example.) Sergecross73   msg me  02:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Source

 * http://www.gamesradar.com/8-wrongest-romances-video-games/ - Still getting bad press after all these years... Sergecross73   msg me  16:51, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2015
Add the following under the Development section: "The game features several CG-animated cutscenes produced by Blur Studio. "

136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please provide secondary sources, as opposed to primary sources, that support your changes.  Kharkiv07 Talk  19:05, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2015
76.118.87.121 (talk) 17:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Roborule (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

A question
Hey, guys. I want to say that the link for the English site is dead. Mind if you remove it? 96.52.113.151 (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2016
Add titis line to the end of the main section

Many consider sonic the hedgehog 2006 as one of The worst video games of all time

64.72.210.21 (talk) 23:10, 7 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done – You mean the lead/intro section? I think that line was already added there. It's at the last sentence from the second paragraph. – //  Hounder4  // 02:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * 1) The Gameplay section is almost entirely unsourced. From what I can recall, its mostly correct any everything, but we need to find sources for it so that others can verify its correct.  Sergecross73   msg me  13:29, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Should we source the manual? The only problem is that it has a bunch of stuff that isn't even in the game (like "tag story"), so it could be slightly unreliable. (TheJoebro64 (talk) 21:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC))
 * You could, but usually you can find the stuff while browsing through previews and reviews. It could be a double-duty type thing, while you look through further reviews you could add to the reception section. Or look in the ones already present there. Sergecross73   msg me  21:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've sourced it, using IGN, GameSpot and a page from the manual. (TheJoebro64 (talk) 22:27, 14 February 2017 (UTC))

Source
In case I forget: ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 23:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/11/09/where-sonic-went-wrong.aspx?PageIndex=2&PostPageIndex=3

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