Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series)/Archive 1

Noisey Neighbors?
Sounds like a typo, but could be the way the band spells it. I'd like to see a link to the band's website as proof. (unsigned comment by User:Pathaugen)
 * Are you saying that "noisey" is wrong? Yeah, it might be a typo...If you Google "Noisy Neighbors Fastest Thing Alive", you get the right song, so I guess it's a typo. I've fixed it now. -- RattleMan 05:50, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to confirm, the show's credits have "Noisy Neighbors". - furrykef (Talk at me) 06:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Standardization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_%28animated_series%29

The X-Men Article seems pretty solid, and the right sidebar with quick facts seems interesting.

Perhaps cartoon series should be compared and uniformed.
 * I've uploaded a new title card picture of better quality, and started sidebar process. We need to fill in the "xxx". -- RattleMan 06:43, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Inappropriate tone
This article should not be written from a "fan" perspective (calling the show by a fan acronym, etc.). Please rewrite to follow Wikipedia guidelines. --FuriousFreddy 02:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think in this case it's forgivable to use the "SatAM" name, because it is used almost universally, and using the show's full title would cause confusion in many situations because the show's title is the same as the character's name as well as the name of a closely-related comic book series, a video game series, several video games within that series, and an anime OAV. Dirk Amoeba 16:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Dvd Bootlegs
The main reason Dic is releasing this box set is beacuase there have been many bootlegs of the set being sold on ebay

Yeah. I almost bought one by accident, but then I noticed Sonic Dash pictures of Sonic and Tails on the back of the DVD case. I'm glad Dic and Shout! is doing this, though. I preordered mine in the beginning of March. --User: Glitch Freak March 23, 2007

Sonic Movie.
Please stop posting about this "movie". It's a hoax. There are no resources or evidence to properly cite this. At the very least it should be noted that it's pure skepticism at this point.

Please stop posting about this until a reliable source of information surfaces. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.51.231.149 (talk) 04:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

You mean this? http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/4894/Sonic-The-Hedgehog/Product.html?

That Movie has nothing to do with this show. Watch it first, zelot. (98.24.208.44 (talk) 23:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC))

For the last time...
Stop posting about this movie. At the very least, grow some common sense and CITE REFERENCES TO BACK YOUR CLAIMES! Rumor and hearsay is not welcome in an encyclopedia article. Go gossip on fan forums, but keep your wet-dream-what-if's out of this article. And no, SonicAnime is not a proper citation. Until a resource like Variety, News Week, or SEGA themselves make mention of production on said movie, it's unwelcome in this article. As of this point, numerous fan sites are brushing this off as a FAN FILM and nothing more. Again, take your wet dreams elsewhere. Leave them out of this article, or I'll just keep editing them out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.51.231.149 (talk) 08:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC).


 * First off, the article will include that, as it's relevant data. second, i spell things properly, AND i sort my references. Stop your insulting immediately, or i will have you banned from wikipedia. I'll keep countering your edits.  RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk''' 01:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you are citing no accurate or reliable sources for your claims. While the article is detailed, if far for being written in the correct tone. My edit is no vandalism. In fact, your edits could easily be equated to that. My harsh tone is in response to your constant edits, and I, as a fan of the show in question, and merely trying to uphold the integrity of the article to prevent others from being mislead. There are tons of fan sites that are just now brushing this rumor off. Unfortunately, fan sites are NOT proper citation sources. Again, it's all good and fine if the movie were getting made. But until a reliable source surfaces, I will continue to strike it from the article. With a proxy, if I have to. And cap your I's, for Pete's sake.

My my my...for someone who doesn't want to register a free account, they sure are quick to harass, threaten and insult. First off, the article's integrity is not comromised, the sources are very reputable, including the website where the news is coming from (Richard Kuta's website). If you want to become the next Willy on Wheels, that's fine with me. it's your time that'll be wasted, not mine.  RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk''' 01:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I know you mean well, and i appreciate the edits, but i consider sonicstadium.org to be a credible site. they were on Sonic Heroes before gamepro released its information, after all...  RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk''' 01:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Not sure why that was edited out. Anyway, to put it bluntly, SS isn't a credible source. They are still a fan site. Now, if the person owned rights over the characters, or something is obviously confirmed (be it by a screen cap from the media in question, etc), that would be reliable. And in case you missed it, I had posted a link earlier from SS. The article I linked to summed up the current confusion over this "movie". Point being, Sonic Stadiums forum =/= credible. Evident by the fake script and character art. If that's a reliable source of information, than paint me pink and call me Susan. User:blank 05:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)dsldsj;


 * It was canceled you nut, not banned. User:Yuri Elite 10:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Pre-Satam?
Shouldn't` we add this to the artic ( Pre-satam nicknamed by the fanbase ) it was what the cartoon first was going to be like'  Sally wasn't even brown but had a red dress blond hair ect and there was a male rabbit ect and Tails wasn't even in it, there were several advertisements made and even a cover. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WillTheWitch (talk • contribs) 18:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

This is NOT the official site
http://satamsonic.com is NOT the official website, as the article says. I emailed the webmistress. She says it ain't. --Alice2 00:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

While Not the official site, it does keep a general good demeanor and relationship with former writers, artists and other notable figures of the SatAM series, which is how I think the site earned that title of 'Official'. -- RockyJRaccoon May 2008


 * But unless Sega and DIC actually sanction the site themselves, it's not official. Yes, you may have people from the show's staff contribute, but unless Sega and DIC actually own or license the site, it's no more official than some fanboi using an Angelfire account to display a few Sonic pictures. Just saying it's official won;t make it so. -- azumanga (talk) 06:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

75.191.176.246 (talk) 19:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC) The Staff provides useful info either way.

Cover of Region 1 Box set
If i'm not mistaken, the cover of the Region 1 box set was drawn by Ken Penders, former writer of the Knuckles the Echidna comics, and occasional penciler/artist. Should we mention this on the main article? RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 01:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Added it on Home video release history Ruizo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.148.32.201 (talk) 07:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Coming back.
According to this, Matthew Sullivan is trying to bring back SatAM. Fair field fencer  F F F  09:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

He's bluffing... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.148.14.210 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I bet it's not true. lol, internet rumors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamaluigibob (talk • contribs) 04:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * When there's rock solid proof that it isn't happening I'll believe you. Until then, this could very well be true Fair field fencer  F F F  11:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Its ususally done the other way around you know. You don't believe something is happening until you see rock solid proof that it is.194.81.189.21 (talk) 13:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * True. But for now I don't have solid proof it's being made, and you don't have any proving it isn't. So let's just leave it out of the article for now. Fair field fencer  F F F  14:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

A SIMPSONS STORY BOARD ARTIST?!?!?! HELLO??? HOMER SIMPSON ARTIST DRAWING SONIC!?! Calmer now, how on earth can someone just belive such stuff? This artist worked on The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy as well. All of the shows have something in common that Sat/Am should not have. Too much comedy, and gristly animations. Imagine a scene where Robotnik's head gets swallowed by Dulcy. THAT'S the kind of stuff he draws. Whether or NOT he's bluffing, keep him AWAY from my favourite show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.24.208.44 (talk) 19:37, 5 August 2010

I deleted the stuff about Power Rangers ratings battle and continuation in comic form. The Power Rangers ratings battle is one possible rumor and the comic is not a continuation and the way it was written made it sound as if the comic started in response to the show being canned which isn't true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.101.169 (talk) 06:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Not certain I agree with the whole departure of game with it's tone thing.
I never proceaded that the show was of a darker tone, just the original serious blank unfilled tone with Sonic's attitude inputted in as a show with add ons. SonicX, which is even more so accurate, inputs the same actual tone. To me, they expanded it and tried more on an epic level, and that's it. Adventures was less accurate to the tone in retrospect. The mindless humour, complete with the Ren and Stimpy giant pointer finger element, was probably there just because it was a game and was used even if not in the source's tone, just like all others from the film industry in the day (DD or SF) to Zelda.

I can picture people thinking Adventures is more so accurate just because they had the checker board tiles with loop de loops, but many other shows don't make that transition style with strict game elements inside it, aside Mario. Still, what about Robotnic's mom or all the other characters that never existed or shown up on the game in Adventures? Does it matter so much that more then Tails fight along Sonic to that they somehow don't balance out with all the additional characters on the other version? Realy, it still is mostly the two of them and a strong bond despit the rest.

Look at how it translates with Robotnic as well. No robotisizing or army of robots, just the several noticable robots as sidekicks, to whome were nobodies in the game. Robotnic was more of a clutz and the ENTIRE show felt more of an old Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd cartoon. Traps and contraptions that he tries to use on Sonic in which he fails misserably upon every time.

I guess it could be good for a younger audience's first glance as a show, but it was horrid for me to see it AFTER SatAM in my book. It made no sense to me that they actually resorted to this, I first thought. It realy is likable now adays to me, but this program here that came first for me at least DESEARVED the lack of anything else in the title but Sonic the Hedgehog. It realy is the style of the game etched out furtherly and it shows even truer in that the comics can use this Freedom Fighter element with stuff from the current games at the time. It always felt that they could very well be in the background after the show aired, to which the comic comfirmed this. --BobtheVila (talk) 13:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

- Hey, just wanted to throw my two cents in... The series can't really be said to have any mood departure in my opinion, since dangerous situations occurred in the video game for its basis and an eerie atmosphere encompasses those issues naturally, but I think it's appropriate to claim that the Saturday Morning ABC series had a drastically different appearance to the Sonic The Hedgehog world than Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog's comedic approach for the younger audience they were aiming for. So, I think something should be noted in the difference between the two series rather than the topic of the mood of the games. But that's just me... I'm probably missing the big picture though. Wordscanbebroken (talk) 18:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

- Quick Fact: Every last Sonic the Hedgehog ANYTHING departed from the tone of Sonic 1 on Genesis. Scrap Brain zone, according to the original premise to Sonic, was the outer zone of Eggmanland. (kinda similar to Robotropolis) Tails was first cited as a genious in Sonic Adventure. (before then he was "Sonic's friend") Sonic 2 is easily the only one of the four original Sonic games to resemble Sonic X. Sonic 3 and Knuckles was considerably darker than all previous Sonic games (Sonic CD notwithstanding) Look at everything between Adventures of Sonic, Sat\Am Sonic, Sonic Underground, Sonic X, SegaSonic, Sonic the Comic, Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie), and the 1999 anime film and you will find at LEAST ONE game reference in each, but NONE will ever resemble "The Games" that closley. Even the earliest games don't resemble each other except visually. Also, at the time of Sat/Am's release, only Sonic 1 and 2 were out. (That's why the only game characters in Adventures were Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik. They were the only game characters who even existed. same holds true for Sat/Am) In order to make a TV show, especially one with any sort of storyline, they were practically REQUIRED to make some characters up. Also, Yuji Naka was never really Sonic's creator. Naoto Oshima drew the original character and made his canon personality. Yuji was the lead programmer for Sonic 1 thru Knuckles. However, SEGA of Japan SEEMS to be taking his word as doctrine as far as the Sonic franchise is concerned. I may be misinformed, if I am misinformed, please tell me. —Preceding comment added by 98.24.208.44 (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2010

I don't think this series constituted a departure in the tone of Sonic games at the time, but it did have a more complex plot and serious atmosphere in comparison to Adventures. Aside from a few episodes such as "Ultra Sonic", SatAM was never truly dark; it was a fake darkness (similar to the style of the "Red Sky" episodes of the TMNT 1987 series). Season one was more serious than season two, though. Tails3333 (talk) 18:42, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Unproduced Season 3 - Ixis Naugus
" Other revelations from chief writer Ben Hurst at SAGExpo in 1997 were that the eyes at the end of the series were, "Ixis Naugus. Not Metal Sonic, not Knuckles the Echidna, Ixis Naugus", though he did state that Knuckles would've been introduced towards the end of Season 3, and become a main character in Season 4, if the show had made it that far. "

The statement makes no sense, Any links to this interview?

Ixis Naugus was not evil to sonic in the end, ixis naugus tricked sonic in disguise to take him out of the void, after that he let him go back to rescue sally and the bunny, also before ixis naugus went back into he void, he was talking to sonic and the crew as friends, he return to the void because he could not exist in mobius, he hated dr.robotnik, not the freedom fighters.

If Ben Hurst really said that stuff, he must of been under mind control for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.66.87 (talk) 12:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Ben Hurst wasn't exactly a stickler for the show's continuity. Example: in the episode "Sonic and the Secret Scrolls, Season 1, Sally visits a floating island with Sonic and co. In season 2, Sally tells Dulcy and Sonic that floating islands are impossible. The latter episode was written by...BEN HURST. He does this more than once. Give me time and I will have more examples. Preceding comment added by 98.24.208.44 (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2010

Ben Hurst really started writing full time for the cartoon in season 2. Before then, his work is actually scarce. In season 1 Ben Hurst wrote arguably the best episodes, such as "Sonic Conversion". These episodes developed all of the characters involved without sacrificing continuity. However, after Ben took over from Len Janson as head developer, he suddenly began to ignore the smaller continuity details, as mentioned above. Also, several characters, most notably Sonic, Robotnik, Sally, Bunnie, and even Antoine were changed ever so slightly to fit the Doomsday saga. Some changes, such as Tails in "Drood Henge" and Snively were pure genious, but the other changes proved to make the characters more 'edgy' - to use that term. The characters became even MORE edgy in the comic later. I am NOT suggesting that Ben Hurst triggered this change in the comic, but it is worth noting that Ben Hurst ignored key points of many characters: Antoine being mildly useful and somewhat likable in "Sonic Boom", and in "Hooked on Sonics" (Compare to "Cry of the Wolf") Sonic being a little less of a smart alec in "Sonic Boom", "Super Sonic", "Ultra Sonic" (Compare to "Drood Henge") Bunnie being a little bit more than just secondary in "Sonic and Sally" and "Sonic Conversion" (Compare to all of season 2) and having a crush on Antoine in "Sonic Racer" "Heads or Tails" and "Fed up with Antoine" (Latter two admitedly sillier, still compare to all after "Fed up with Antoine") And Robotnik being less silly in season 1 (Compare to all season 2) Not to mention, Ben Hurst said the same thing about Naugus on the Sat/Am DVD. I dunno, but maybe being lead developer for a cartoon went to his head...—Preceding comment added by 98.24.208.44 (talk) 17:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Revisited 2012
Well, I never saw the season 2 cliffhanger or heard what Ben Hurst said until years after the cartoon ended. Watching the final episode as an adult, I thought Hurst seemed to be making things up as he went along at times. If the eyes at the end were Ixis Naugus', why did Hurst say on the DVD that Naugus had captured Robotnik in the Void? How could Naugus be in two places at once? Why would Naugus team up with Snively? I think the eyes could've belonged to anyone and the cliffhanger makes little sense.Tails3333 (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. My main hangup with using any of Hurst's information, beyond the lack of Wikipedia-standard reliable sources, is that he was only one of many writers, who were just one part of a bigger company. There are so many factors that could have altered any of the ideas he had; other writers objecting to his work, directors/bosses objecting to his work, Sega objecting to his work, etc etc. He was just one staff writer, there's any number of ways things would not have worked out that way. It's a nice piece of trivia, but more suited to be on the fansite it came from, not Wikipedia, which favors official, sourced information. Sergecross73  msg me   16:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. Unlike writers such as Joss Whedon and Damon Lindelof, Ben Hurst wasn't an executive producer and therefore wasn't in total control of every aspect of the cartoon. He was just head writer for season two. And I thought Lost (tv series) was confusing at times. I think this cartoon was more confusing than Lost ever was.Tails3333 (talk) 16:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Add a cite for Pre Sonic the Hedghog
Cite that source of the info. (mich (talk) 04:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC))

This article needs work.
How this is B-class is beyond me. It essentially had three cast lists before I got to it. What's more, the fancruft, informal tone, and inappropriate information in here is amazing&mdash;the mini-dedication to Ben Hurst's death and the "Cheezperson was surprised to get a reply for unused music tracks!" section being especially glaring. I have been editing away at these things... the plot summary was also pretty bad. It mentions the roboticizer, but doesn't expand much on it. &mdash;Onore Baka Sama(speak 15:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

"Fancruft" is a problem, vandalisim is worse. Perhaps you could help watch this article? 75.191.176.246 (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

About Edits
75.191.176.246 (talk) 19:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC) I have reverted a section removal due to no reason being given for the removal. The section in question is Censorship, which is cited and referenced. I would appreciate a response before further edits on that section.

Also, a user named GUNE continues to remove the Anime Influenced catergory from the page. The category is cited and referenced: I do not expect an edit-war on the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.176.246 (talk) 19:12, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

No it isn't. There is no references to call it anime influenced. The only part that says so is unsourced paragraph in the pre-production section. Gune (talk) 21:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

And Len Janson in the reference article. 75.191.176.246 (talk) 00:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

GamesRadar review
The content shown here keeps on getting removed by IPs. Is there any valid reason for its removal? No edit summary has been given, and its deemed reliable by Wikiproject Video Games, so I'm thinking its good info to have in the article, and the only reason its getting removed is because its a negative review. Thoughts? Sergecross73  msg me   18:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I support the inclusion of the GamesRadar article per Serge's reasoning. We need to give equal weight to negative and positive reviews here and listing only positive reviews, in my opinion, is a clear violation of the WP:NPOV policy. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Wiki-markup error: 7/4/17 UTC
Hi! In this edit, I seem to have added a double right brace (this: }} ) before the plot section. However, I'm not quite sure how that happened or how to fix it. If anyone can help me figure out how that happened and how to fix it, I would greatly appreciate that! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 12:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Has been resolved. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 14:29, 15 July 2017 (UTC)