Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (character)/Archive 1

Does anyone think the 'furry' category is wrong? While some furries may enjoy the Sonic game because he is an animal, the series is in no way connected to the furry community. --Ciz 20:49, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * No, I think it's just fine, actually. I wouldn't doubt a good portion of the furry community got interested in said community in the first place because of the blue fella, though obviously not all.
 * Besides, nobody said it had to be the furry community that the category was for. --Shadow Hog 22:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Thats what the link leads to. --Ciz 22:35, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * "Furry is a colloquial term used to indicate a particular category of fictional anthropomorphic animal."
 * Doesn't sound like the fandom alone to me. --Shadow Hog 01:39, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to elaborate on something here: just because Sonic's page has a link to Category:Furry does NOT mean he's involved in animal sex. Seriously, the furry fandom is a lot more than just a sexual fantasy. While I apologize for the "bigoted" comment (in retrospect, it's a little too strong a word for this instance), it's kind of insulting to know that people still see, to think that. --Shadow Hog 15:17, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm being stupid here, but why does this page seem to have all the games Sonic has cameoed in, but not the games he had to himself? :) --MrJeff

Just to elaborate, it'd appear it was because of IP add 68.45.72.176, who thought it was a BRILLIANT idea to remove all the games and replace it with "SONIC IS GREAT". Obviously this is fixed now. Shadow Hog 14:51, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

''I don't know if there were any Sonic games for the Sega Master System? Could someone enlighten me on that?'' --Jzcool

Does anyone think the Sonic hedgehog gene should be on it's own article called Sonic hedgehog? --The T

If anyone here knows or can find out enough about the gene to make a start on an article about it, then that would be nice! But I still think the sentence about it in this article should stay, as it's an interesting note about the character's influence on the scientific community. :) Incidentally, does anyone know what the correct capitalisation is for the name of the gene? A Google search reveals it being referred to as "sonic hedgehog", "Sonic hedgehog", and "Sonic Hedgehog"... -- Oliver PEREIRA 13:16 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

Guys, stop trying to make "Doctor Ivo Robotnik" the primary name in this article. It isn't anymore. In the earlier Sonic games, "Doctor Ivo Robotnik" was used in the North American and European releases for localization purposes.

However, starting with Sonic Adventure, the "Doctor Eggman" name became his primary name worldwide. DO NOT change it back. And do NOT move the Eggman article itself. You CAN make a separate article relating to the stuff "Robotnik" showed up in whule he was called by that name - WhisperToMe

I have to say that I can understand people wanting to change Eggman. I've always known him as Robotnik, and 'Eggman' is such an uninspired name.

But anyway. Er... there's another game Sonic made a cameo in - I don't know what it was called, but someone must remember it. It was a driving game, and there was a little Sonic toy hanging on a chain from the top of the windscreen that would bounce and spin about as the car moved.

I Believe that game was called Rad Mobile or Gale Racer, depending on what you choose.

Comments on the page
I have two comments about this article: First, I think the older image that used to be associated with it (the screenshot from the first Sonic) represents the article in a better way than the Sonic pic which can be seen there now. I don't know about you people, but I see the first Sonic game for the Genesis as the key element that started it all. Therefore, that screenshot suits the article better.

Second, is it just me, or the part about drowning makes absolutely no sense? It's been a long time since I last played a Sonic game, but I can't remember anything about water. Sonic will drown if you don't take him to the surface for a breath, but that also happens with every other playable character in the series. In my opinion, that comment has no use in the article.

What do you think?

Mackeriv 21:40, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * The Sonic artwork has officially changed to an "international" style. Personally, I think both the old style Sonic and the new style deserve to be on the page, since they represent a change in more than artwork. Preference should be given to screenshots (promotional art or manual scans aren't what leap to mind when you think of video game characters, and the games ARE their medium). Both the Knuckles and Miles Prower pages have new and old represenative images, as well. ~ FriedMilk 23:13, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The Sonic games for Master Sytem were not only releases in Brazil! Also here in Germany! --Luigi 18:43, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * And here in the UK, too, where the Master System was really popular - probably even more so than the NES! (I at least know more people who used to have Master Systems than people who had a NES.)

Question about the article
Feel free to correct me but if anybody agrees with me go ahead and make the changes to the Article. My point of contention is this:

"He would later become head of the Sonic Team division. He was also used as the mascot of Sega's Blast Processing, a feature of the Sega Genesis which supposedly allowed Genesis games to draw polygons faster."

As I understand it "Blast Processing" would supposedly allow the Genesis to draw sprites faster, not polygons. The Genesis had no polygon rendering schemes and I think the writer of the article was simply confused with newer console technology. Just a nitpick. Thomas Moore 22:07, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I've changed it to: Sega promoted the game's use of "Blast Processing", supposedly a feature of the Sega Genesis which allowed it to draw sprites faster, but which in reality simply referred to the console's fast CPU clock rate.
 * I've heard that the term also refers to the programmers' technique of disabling sprite animations when they are off-screen; anyone know if this is true?
 * I've also edited the article so that the "Dreams Come True" band is listed with Naka and Ohshima's names. It's probably more appropriate there than having a paragraph to itself stuck in the middle of nowhere! :)

Sonic images
To avoid any revert warring, I've moved BOTH sonic images to the top of the page, to create kind of a Sonic: past and present right in the beginning. Of course, this frees up some space below for some more images! ;) I think this article could benefit from a screenshot or two, especially of Sonic doing a loop-the-loop or corkscrew, which are classic ways that people remember Sonic.  I am kind of concerned about the first image I moved to the top.  It may have an incorrect caption on it, as there is some discussion on the image page that it is from Sonic 3.  If anyone has insight into its origin, that would be great.  If it turns out we can't use it, a screenshot from the title screen like this would be pretty nice.  -- Norvy (talk) 14:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally I think the Heroes one is pretty ugly. Maybe we could replace it with something more tolerable, like the one from Gems Collection? That's pretty much the best picture of the new Sonic design I could ask for.
 * Yes, I know that's opinionated, but hey, that's my opinion on the matter. --Shadow Hog 16:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, but it should be a picture with a white background. Something like this would do fine if only it was just Sonic.  -- Norvy (talk) 05:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh defiently yes. But the one for Sonic heroes is more accepted by Sega no? I mean they used it for "Sonic Mega Collection +" for PS2.-TKGB
 * Incidentally, it w--Shadow Hog 23:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)ould seem people aren't content with the new change. Should we ask for this page to be closed or somethin'? Might be a bit premature, but still. --Shadow Hog 14:41, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, this has gone far enough. I say we kill the Heroes pic - for good - and replace it. ASAP. I'm sick of people getting rid of the images other than that without explaining their motives, but it seems like we can't get around it anymore. --Shadow Hog 22:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Poll (finished)
In an attempt to end this edit war, I've decided a poll is in order. For the time being, NO image will adorn the top of the page, until we have reached a consensus. I know this is pretty stupid, but so is this edit war, and we can't seem to appease this guy (or these guys?).

So, here are our pictures. Keep it to Keep or Delete, explain why, et cetera et cetera.

I apologize if I sound kinda rude or angry or anything, but this has been going on for way too long now. I just want a definitive answer. --Shadow Hog 23:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think this poll won't solve the problem we're experiencing, where anons keep reverting images to their preferred version. The fact that they are doing so without discussion gives no indication that a poll here would influence them.  That being said, I don't think it's a bad idea to get some consensus on what pictures should be used.  But is it really necessary to just remove them all from the article while we vote?  I'd prefer any of the first three pictures below rather than none at all.  -- Norvy (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, I'd love to, but in some ways I just REALLY don't want to open an invitation to these anons to keep up what they were doing. That, and I'd like a more determined idea of just which pictures the majority here want, so I can at least feel somewhat assured that I'm not tossing images around on my own.
 * Now, if you really want to toss an image on there, I guess I won't stop you. Thinking about it, if that anon (or those anons) are so heck-bent on having the Heroes image there, having no image there probably won't stop them... --Shadow Hog 04:36, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey Shadow Hog. it's about time I meet the person who changes all of the images around from the way that I think is best. If you are wondering who this is just call me MetalGarurumon. 20:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, very nice to meet you. I've frankly wanted to settle this matter off the main page but haven't managed to get a solid name (changing IP addresses and all).
 * So, what say you? I have an answer on the Heroes image, but why do you add the list of games back into the article? It was removed a long time ago because it was getting too long, as the list in the link provided surely proves. For that matter, why remove the link when you put the list back in for whatever reason? Orphaning pages (or at least removing the most relevant link) is no laughing matter. (I apologize if these seems too abrupt or the like but I've been wanting these questions answered for a while, and the chance to do so civilly is not one I'm going to pass up.)
 * Other than that, I've decided to make the deadline for voting tomorrow (I'd intended on yesterday, for a good week of voting, but since that didn't work out, a bit of a heads-up would be nice). Should your Heroes image stay, we can discuss which one goes on top a little less... aggressively than in the past, I suppose. Right here, even. --Shadow Hog 01:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok Shadow Hog this is what i think. Tell me if you like this idea. I think that the beat soultion is to put both of the images on top so everybody can see the old and the new Sonic. What do you think Shadow Hog? --MetalGarurumon 14:40, 7 August 2005(UTC)
 * I can live with that if you can. --Shadow Hog 16:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess this is ok. --MetalGarurumon 16:49, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Image 1 (Verdict: Keep)
150px|Sonic, in a promotional image for the first [[Sonic the Hedgehog (Genesis)|Sonic the Hedgehog game. Artwork by Akira Watanabe.]]
 * Keep - top of page, where it has been for most of the time. This picture has kinda always represented what Sonic is, to me; cool, easy-going, and certainly not TOO over-the-top. --Shadow Hog 23:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. An early portrayal, important to the article. -- Norvy (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - top of page, the classical, cannonical representation of Sonic. --Abu Badali 04:45, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep- but not at the top of the page. I think that an old image of Sonic would go better in the middle of the article when it talks about the old games. MetalGarurumon 20:30 August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Image 2 (Verdict: Keep)
180px|A promotional image of Sonic from the more recent [[Sonic Heroes.]]
 * Delete. I hate this picture - maybe it's all the reverting I've been doing to keep it down where it had been, but then again, this picture has Sonic with a VERY stupid grin, is nothing but a measly 3D render (whatever happened to the days where an actual PICTURE was what went on game boxes?), is a ridiculous pose to say the least, and has Sonic looking VERY off-model. I shan't say as I'll be sad to see it gone, if it goes. --Shadow Hog 23:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. We need a 3D style picture, because that's how a lot of people have experienced Sonic.  I'm not particularly married to this one, though.  -- Norvy (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sonic looks stupid on this one. Just because its 3D doesn't mean it's cool. --Abu Badali 04:34, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Is there a reason all these pics can't just live on the page in harmony? :) Vasquezcp1 04:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, actually; if we keep this one then anonymous users will flock in and continuously swap them around with no reason stated whatsoever. I'd hardly call that "harmony". --Shadow Hog 04:57, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not saying that I don't like the old image, it's just that most people I know like Sonic, and would like to see somthing new about him when they open the page. So that's why I would like the new 3D image of Sonic to stay up top.MetalGarurumon 20:30 August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Image 3 (Verdict: Tie...)
Sonic from Sonic X
 * Keep - unlike the Heroes picture, this one never really bothered me. It always kinda felt like a compromise between the new and the old, kinda like the Gems Collection picture mentioned above. --Shadow Hog 23:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Remove I like how it's a newer style of Sonic, but the background is just too busy. -- Norvy (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Image 4 (Verdict: Remove)
150px|Sonic kisses Princess [[Sally Acorn]] I think we should keep them all. Its a good variety of pictures. Why cut any of them? There needs to be something at the top of the article that shows Sonic. I put the first one back up for now. Just until everyone decides what they want to use for good. User:Vasquezcp1 07/23/05, 01:41
 * Remove Not representative of how most people think of Sonic. -- Norvy (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Remove Not representative. Just different.
 * Keep It is relevant to the "romance" section in which it was placed.
 * Remove Its serves no purpose.
 * Remove You´ve already said id. |igordebraga ≠
 * Remove That picture is a load of bull! It's already been removed, sure, but let's keep it that way. And no, Amy Rose should stay on this page. She is Sonic's potential girlfriend of the games. Those sorry (explative) comics that give Archie a bad name have their own page. Let's keep it that way. And by the way, I am not a Sonic/Amy Shipper, I'm a Sonic/Sara Shipper, but I have taste! ~ Darth Katana X

So why was this pic (Sonic and Sally) removed and not the one of Sonic and Amy? Do we not have to vote on the Sonic and Amy pic? Image:Sonicrosesamy.jpg
 * Honestly, I'm not sure. If you want to start a vote/discussion on it, though, go right ahead. I'm not particularly tied to that pic, so I won't mind if it stays or goes. --Shadow Hog 04:21, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Check this out, Sonic and Amy are the only canon pairing of this fantasy realm. And if you have a problem with that, you'd better take it up with Yuji Naka. Anyone who actually supports the pairing of Sonic and Sally is a nerd, who could easily be whooped by Strong Bad or the Master Chief. -- Darth Katana X

2 questions

 * 1) The article is good...perhaps someday it becomes a Featured Article?
 * 2) An IP created this in the PT Wiki.Can this be done here? Igordebraga 19:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * We have to get over the whole image conundrum first. I doubt it'd be a good featured article when there's an edit war going on on it.
 * Doubtful. That only lists the Genesis/Mega Drive games, and there've been SO many other important games that listing it would be... awkward. Not that this kind of thing hasn't been attempted before (see Template:Megaman), but still. --Shadow Hog 19:48, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Heroes image vs. Classic image
Now that we've determined both said images should stay, then comes the matter of which should be on top. I personally want the Classic one on top... thoughts? --Shadow Hog 00:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I still think that they can both live together at the top side by side:   -- Norvy (talk) 03:29, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that's too crowded. I think the classic Akira Watanabe image should stay at the top, while the newer Heroes image should appear further down - perhaps at the top of the Games:Story section? Some images of Sonic's appearance in other versions may be useful, such as the DiC cartoons (which are quite different to any other version) and, of course, the Fleetway Sonic the Comic (any excuse to get some Richard Elson art on the site)! :)--Nick R 00:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog
This name is also used for the name of a protein. 24.201.116.26 23:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that's Sonic hedgehog. --Shadow Hog 00:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Templates
After the Template:Megaman and the Template:FinalFantasy series, anything is possible. So I made two templates, one with characters and one with games. Can you clean this up(and make one with the toons and comics)? igordebraga ≠ 00:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Voices
Is it really necessary to list Kanemaru and Griffith as VAs who voiced Sonic in "other" shows? It makes little sense to list them again, as they are mentioned before. That kind of defies what the word "other" is all about. Wouldn't it make more sense to list each voice actor only once and specify which version(s) he worked on? Dirk Amoeba
 * They're mentioned before, but in the context of the games, not the shows. However if you're willing to rewrite the entire section to make it so each VA is only covered once, be my guest, so long as the result isn't too cluttered.
 * (Oh, and please sign your messages. ~ does the trick. Don't want to have to sign for you very frequently. ;P) --Shadow Hog 04:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

UPDATED
This article needs updating becuase Sonic The Hedgehog has been comfired by Sega it's a remake of the old skool sonic on the Mega Drive New pictures also need to been added ><ino
 * Anyway... i checked the List of Xbox 360, sonic the hedgehog was linked to this page which means it needs update. I also checked List of Ps3, sonic the hedgehog was missing
 * so i am saying should i start the article for Sonic The Hedgehog the remake on ps3

Ok i have done it I have updated this article and Sonic The Hedgehog 360/ps3 article has well as you can see i have added a "seen picture of sonic" at the top, and if you search for List Of PS3 Games, look thorug S, and you will find the remaking :D ><ino 11:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Please work on your spelling. Anyway, the new game has NOT been confirmed to be a remake in the slightest, and even if it had been, this article is for the CHARACTER, not the new game - that belongs in Sonic the Hedgehog (tentative title) (though moving it to Sonic the Hedgehog (7th Gen. Era) might be a good idea - 7th era because the History of video games lists it as such).
 * Oh, and I like the new picture. Can we ditch the Heroes one, put the new one there, and move the Genesis one down to "games" like so many people apparently want? Sure, he has the silly grin, but his pose strikes me as better. --Shadow Hog 17:10, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Are we talking about the same picture? The blurry TGS one? Let's wait until we get something that's a bit higher quality before discussing switching. Even then, I still think having the two we have up there now is a good compromise. -- Norvy (talk) 18:14, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, rather sharp, high-detail images came out with that exact pose several days ago... Not very blurry, if you ask me. --Shadow Hog 18:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

hmmm...i see. i should work on my spelling, first of all if i need to improve my spelling why am i here? have you seen my other articles, i must warn you, don't really get me hard, or i will chase you and own you, becuase i really mean it
 * Second the new game has been comfrimed already, that it is a remake, i am a sonic fan so i hunt for every single info about the game, so don't tell me any crappy stuff about what i believe becuase i can start to post some links
 * Third you posted the article is for the character... DUH. what picture did you think i posted there? picture of Bill Gates?
 * Fourth we can't ditch any picture it shows the progession of Sonic, how Sega and Sonic Team has developed him, starting from Sonic at Mega Drive to the 7th generation.

This is for Norvy, have you actually, do some researches? becuase that picture is actually 1024x768 or it is even higher than that, i edited the picture becuase it was too big Anyway do all what you like, if two pictures is ok for the article, fine, but there should be a Subpage for Sonic imagery how he has progress through is image. starting from Master System to Next Gen Console >. Maybe they're just showing off some lighting effects or something, but it looks blurry to me. I'd also prefer something without a background. -- Norvy (talk) 23:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I see, ok try this Sonic the Hedgehog (PS3 and Xbox 360) i did the article see some pictures you like at the gallery becuase there isn't any picture that shows sonic's face unless i watch a video and take a snap shot of him ><ino 13:26, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Appearance question
"An alternative explanation was given in a promotional comic for the original game featured in Disney Adventures, which was later elaborated upon in Mike Pattenden's Stay Sonic, a book about the character published only in the UK. This later became the basic origin for all subsequent UK publications."

This alternative explanation isn't documented in this article?
 * It's explained in the "origins" section. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Trivia!?
i don't think we really need it there?
 * because if there is, then tehre should be one for each character and everthing relating to Sonic's world,
 * Trivia is only for articles that is one...really hard to explain:D
 * Like trivia shoul be for a whole atricle

>x<ino 23:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * If there is trivia regarding other characters, you're free to add it to their pages. This is the page for Sonic the character, not the Sonic series, so trivia specific to this character does belong here. --Darksasami 22:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Sonic and Sally Picture
I believe we should have that Sonic and Sally picture because Amy and Sonic are not dating. Amy just thinks they are, but Sonic does not. Besides, in the game, Sonic sees her as annoying, and it's just the show (Sonic X) that makes them more than friends (but they still aren't dating). Also, any where you go, Sonic almost always sees Amy as an annoyance and always a friend. Anyway, anon-- users can't upload pictures if they don't have a username. And how is Sally and Sonic nerdy? At least they're a real couple!

Also, if you think about, Shadow and Tails are possible boyfriends for Amy as well, not just Sonic. Cause she touched Shadow's heart and Shadow might see her like Maria. Tails cause they're friends.

Also, some people do see Sonic and Sally as a nice representative. And just because Amy is crazy about Sonic, it doesn't mean that she's Sonic's only potential girlfriend. Besides, I think the maker of the game said that if Sonic ever settled down, it would ruin the series. Now, personally, I think Shadow and Amy go well together, and Sonic and Sally go well together. But I have good reasons! Besides, Amy said she hated Sonic before, and when she said, "I'll make that Sonic respect me, and by that time, it's gonna be too late!", it sounds like she's just chasing him for fun.

Well, that's all! And I would really like to debate about this and vote for removal and keeping of Amy and Sonic's picture. --anon


 * Hon, first of all, you're signing yourself "anon," but it doesn't make you anonymous. You're the same guy who's been making all the edits to Vanilla's entry, on other Sonic pages and on Rattleman's page. I'm not just guessing; Wikipedia tracks the IP of anyone who does anything on this site. I can see a page of every change you've ever made here. It might help you to be taken seriously if you get a login and use it.


 * Secondly, that poll's been closed since July. It's too late. It's over. The picture is not going into the article. The reason that it came to a poll was to stop people from arguing back and forth over it--people disagreed, so there had to be a decision made. Once that decision is made, unless something really drastic changes, that's the way it's going to stay, so there's no point trying to argue.


 * Third, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It really would be bad form to delve too deeply into the private love lives of video game, comic and cartoon characters. We've got to have some semblance of dignity, after all, or Wikipedia won't be taken seriously as an encyclopedia. There are a lot of places on the internet to discuss those subjects. Wikipedia is not, by and large, one of them.


 * We understand that you have strong feelings about who likes whom. That's great. Express those feelings! Express them in fanfic, draw pictures on deviantART, rant about them on shipping sites. Just, please, don't express them here, because that's not what Wikipedia is for. --Darksasami 08:41, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

lol, nice one Darksasami you sure boyd/owned him good! and showed him well:D >x<ino 14:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Thank you for writing that message, Darksasami. -- RattleMan 15:58, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I known that I'm not really anonymous, but isn't putting an Amy and Sonic picture trying to say that's the one Sonic really likes? Also, what does, "you sure boyd/owned him good!" mean? If you're trying to say I'm a guy, I'm not. --anon

lol, anyway
 * Boyd means: be told

also for owned
 * and i didn't know you are a chick/babe, but still i didn't mentiong any guy:D

>x<ino 01:51, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

You said "...him good!" Him meaning guy. --anon

Check this! Princess Sally doesn't even exist in the games! The games are what matters and no matter what is "real" in the Archie canon it doesn't affect the games! Amy's first appearance was in a Sonic manga as his girlfriend, Yuji Naka used her character and has said that she is his only potential girlfriend!

That right there sends you to http://www.eat-it.com/ (please do not press that link, as I have no idea what it leads to, but it was mentioned in an online game I play) but what's more? Amy Rose is not only chasing him for fun and Princess Sally and Sonic the Hedgehog are a nerdy couple to support! Their relationship is set up just like in DC Comics or Marvel Comics, some sleazy "damsel in distress" with no self respect whatsoever falling in love with the main character for the sake of sales, only I don't completely reject those comic couples because at least they're not woodland creatures that aren't even supposed to be attracted to each other!

And fer shizzle, I have a friend who says that what Yuji Naka meant to say was that their love would not be documented because that would ruin the series, but the translation ruined his thought. And peep this, Naka has stated various things against Sally and Julie-Su existing in the games! Word up!


 * "Third, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It really would be bad form to delve too deeply into the private love lives of video game, comic and cartoon characters. We've got to have some semblance of dignity, after all, or Wikipedia won't be taken seriously as an encyclopedia. There are a lot of places on the internet to discuss those subjects. Wikipedia is not, by and large, one of them."

Exactly! This isn't! So let's drop it here. It isn't like Yuji Naka is going to discontinue hinting the Sonic/Amy pairing, or give the real Sonic an interest in women outside his own (whispering) species for nerds anyway. Let me just say, before I start to sound rather like Rabadash the Ridiculous that the Sonic/Amy pairing is for heads, and the Sonic/Sally pairing is for nerds. -- Darth Katana X

oh yea, you got me there >x<ino 16:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Ha! I knew I would, unh. -- Darth Katana X

Sally isn't the only damsel in distress. And if not Sally, what about Mina and Bunnie? And I think in some certain Sonic show, he dates someone named Breezie the Hedgehog. But, if you really don't want it, it's fine with me. I don't want it that badly.

Anyway, I still don't get what's with the Sonic/Amy pairing are heads and the Sonic/Sally pairing are for nerds. Could you please clarify it for me? I mean, Amy was the damsel in distress as well. and I really don't know how Sally was sleazy... And, anyway, Sally didn't just fall in love with the hero. She liked someone else before (I think it was Antoine or somebody) and and Sonic liked somebody before (Bunnie and Mina). And Sally broke up with him because he rather get Eggman. But, if that's your strong opinion, I probably won't be able to change it.

However, I still want to say that Amy is not his only potential girlfriend. I mean, you don't have to count the comic book, but what about Breezie the Hedgehog?

Really, what I'm trying to say, is that Amy can't be the only potential girlfriend! And could you tell me how Amy saying she hates him hints that they're a good couple?

Also, I don't mind getting rid of the Sally and Sonic picture, but I feel that the picture perhaps should have less affection. Cause in the game, Sonic seems to see Amy as more of an annoyance. And in the show, they changed it to Sonic seeing her hardly as an annoyance (except for certain times). If Sonic never saw her as annoyance, I would be happy with the picture.

Well, that's it! But, as I said before, I'm not really strong on the Sally and Sonic picture, so you can quit saying, "Third, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It really would be bad form to delve too deeply into the private love lives of video game, comic and cartoon characters. We've got to have some semblance of dignity, after all, or Wikipedia won't be taken seriously as an encyclopedia. There are a lot of places on the internet to discuss those subjects. Wikipedia is not, by and large, one of them." I get the point! Are you happy? --anon

Thank you for being mature and diplomatic. No offense, but that is truly rare for Sonic/Sally shippers. I will give you a sense of accomplishment and just drop the conversation here. Thanks again, yo. -- Darth Katana X

what the hell is going on with this Sally & Soniku? the decision is quite old, no point. &gt;x&lt;ino 10:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I didn't really care about the picture that much, so the conservation is dropped now. Although I still think it wasn't fair that the Amy and Sonic picture didn't get a vote on. Of course, most of you would probably say keep. --anon


 * After reviewing what has been said here, I removed the picture for the same reasons I would have removed the picture of Sonic and Sally smooching: Sonic is, for the most part, not extremely interested in romance, and romance is not what Wikipedia is about. If the Romance section were not so downplayed, I would remove it altogether. --Darksasami 21:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

But shouldn't the romance section have some sort of picture? It should be some picture that isn't very romantic but is only hinted. But it's okay if you don't want one. --anon


 * It's not necessary. There are pictures of both Amy Rose and Princess Sally in there respective articles already. --Jtalledo (talk) 05:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be Amy and Sally pictures. Actually, what I was trying to say is that this article needs a little bit more pictures. It seems kind of plain without them. Also, is it okay if I write, "In the comic book, due to the misunderstanding with the Evil Sonic, Sonic is either dating Bunnie or Fiona."?--anon

I'd agree with anon, whoever he is. This article is left with only 2 pictures. Which seems rather miserable. The Romance section was meant to show the relations(hips) between Sonic and Amy and Sonic with Sally, and without ANY images to depict them, what's the point? Why can't we put the Amy image and the Sally image back? I'm being neutral here, not just because that sonic/amy image is mine. In my opinion, Amy is an official Character seen in recent games from SonicTeam/SEGA, and Sally's a Comic and TV Series Character who has yet to appear in any game. Keep in mind that Sonic originated as a Video Game Character. --Judacris 09:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * And you see, that's another good reason to omit images: people who espouse one form of fancruft over another giving reasons like "she originated with Sonic Team" or "he actually likes this other girl" arguing over which girl belongs with whom.


 * In the grand scheme of things, romance is a miniscule afterthought of the Sonic universe. It only gets blown of proportion when teenyboppers like "anon" and the anime/furry fanboy contingency start getting involved, and at that point it goes nuts. Best to stay well out of it. --Darksasami 21:02, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

If you still think I care about the Sally and Sonic picture, I don't really care. So, I'm not gonna argue or even complain about the Amy and Sonic picture...Okay, maybe a little...But really, shouldn't it be a picture of Sonic and a girl he actually likes? I mean, it doesn't have to be Sally, just anybody but Amy.

Of course, I don't want a huge heated debate, so if you really want that Amy and Sonic picture, go right ahead and put it there! :)

And I still would like to know if people wouldn't mind me writing: "In the comic book, due to the misunderstanding with the Evil Sonic, Sonic is either dating Bunnie or Fiona." --anon


 * Would that help people have a better understanding of Sonic the Hedgehog? Ask yourself that question when you think about making a change. --Darksasami 21:02, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

What are you talking about? If you read the comic book, the Evil Sonic dated the other girls, so now, Sonic is strangely willing to date them too. Sonic kissed Bunnie in one comic issue and kissed Fiona in another.

By the way, I told you that I didn't care about the picture! I don't care what the picture is! And I don't appreciate you insulting me, Darksasami. It's not like I'm affronting anybody! So if you want an Amy and Sonic picture, it's fine with me! --anon

Oh, just hearing this conversation is painful, I'm sorry. Those Archie Comics for Sonic the Hedgehog are so nerdy. Otherwise Archie Comics is a great comic publisher. Any Sonic/Amy fans out there with something good to say, word up! And it seems everyone here is not, so to them, put up or shut up!


 * If you still think I care about the Sally and Sonic picture, I don't really care. So, I'm not gonna argue or even complain about the Amy and Sonic picture...Okay, maybe a little...But really, shouldn't it be a picture of Sonic and a girl he actually likes?  I mean, it doesn't have to be Sally, just anybody but Amy.

That's the other way around! If you'd like to fill up pages for non-canon Sonic the Hedgehog media with pictures of Sonic's "girlfriends", that's your jurisdiction, but these are the games! Sega Sonic is in the house, yo! If this goes any furthure, I'll get Yuji Naka involved with this! -- Darth Katana X

kenny
hey on tv you shoud make amy and sonic kiss