Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (character)/Archive 4

Birthday???
It says Sonic's birthday is July 27th...Where did this info come from? I thought it was June 23rd.

July 27th is the release date of the Sonic 1 in Japan, but you're right, it's June 23rd.

Talk page has been archived
For previous discussions, see /Archive 3. Cheers. --DavidHOzAu 12:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Sonic Picture
I think we should switch the Sonic picture at the top of the article with the one found at the Japanese Sonic 2006 gamesite from Sonic Channel, the same one the new Tails picture is from. -Anonymous 3:55 PM
 * Agreed..I'll make the switch!GrandMasterGalvatron 19:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The image is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sonicnextgen2.jpg
 * Please make the necessary changesGrandMasterGalvatron 20:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Image:Sonicrun_2006.png I found that this picture is more representitive of Sonic's character (love of running, plus he is most notable for it) and it is from the latest game too and seen on the box art. Not to mention, it's lower resolution but still looks high, which apparently qualifies it for fair use. UnDeRsCoRe 00:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (Please let's not revert war over this like happened last time!) I think I'll go for Sonicrun_2006.png since fair use guidelines stipulates that fair use pictures must serve some sort of purpose and not be purely for decorative uses. --DavidHOzAu 05:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Then what do we do with the other picture?GrandMasterGalvatron 20:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing. It will most likely be tagged for deletion soon if it is not linked to an article. But, do not add it to this article. UnDeRsCoRe 23:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Website gone AWOL; victim of domain parking. References removed.
diff. --DavidHOzAu 06:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This site was one of the better ones, and contained ALOT of info, in addition it was also used as a reference it most of the character and games article. I'd hate to sound stupid... but, what actually is domain parking? UnDeRsCoRe 23:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Some company waits for a domain name to lapse and then they grab it before the original owner can. The original owner can't get it back without paying a higher-than-usual price. For more information on this practice, see cybersquatting. Ouch. --DavidHOzAu 12:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OOO. That's bad. So, what company took Concept Mobius' domain? UnDeRsCoRe 21:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Article length
Is there anyone concerned about the length of this article...at all?GrandMasterGalvatron 14:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's fine to me. I believe you're referencing to the Knuckles article, which is being critisized, for being soooo long. (I was being saracastic). Please don't bring that up in this article, it'll cause a lot of mayhem. Believe me. UnDeRsCoRe 23:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if anything, it's a bit short. Very little mention of the homing attack, and no images of any attack at all. (We used to have a list of attacks, but it couldn't be converted to prose and was dropped so that that this could become a good article.)  One of these days I'll get around to making a diagram of it using Inkscape. (For example, a certain picture of personal computer was made using Inkscape.  Powerful stuff; worth the download.)--DavidHOzAu 12:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

why would a article about a enchidna bring up mayhem ?is that a lot to ask for,and what is inkscape

"Cake" vandalisation
I was skimming through the page when I found the Character section has been modified to have the word cake here and there. o.o" Ericius 16:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! The Destiny section under Character is overrun with the word "cake". Who would do such a thing? ChibiKareshi 08:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC) thats bizzare!they could like the alternative rock band CAKE or just the food

I felt I had to revert the entire article since there were still some cake references and there don't appear to have been any substantive changes since the vandalism. Sorry if I missed some constructive changes other than repairing the vandalism... please re-add your edits if I reverted them by mistake! Robotsintrouble 08:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

What... the... heck?!? A troll that's obsessed over, of all things, cakes!?!?!!? I'm a bit scared... --Luigifan 01:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC) what does a troll have to do with cake THE CAKE IS A LIE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.148.209.103 (talk • contribs)


 * Sigh* These vandals are really slow to learn...  --Luigifan 03:21, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

To quote Charmy Bee, "A-HAH!!!" I think I've figured out who the cake vandal is! I just noticed Nintendo Maximus's name in the edit summary of one of those "cake" vandilizations. However, Maximus has already been blocked on another charge (specifically, removing speedy delete tags.) He's already petitioning to become unblocked, so if we cut him off now, we probably won't have to deal with any more of this cake crap! So, who's with me? --Luigifan 01:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, congratulations Sherlock you discovered who the cake vandal is. (lol, just joking, you did a good job). If he really is the vandal, report him. But I guess he'll only get off on a warning... UnDeRsCoRe 01:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, I am NOT the cake vandal. I never put a single "cake" mention on this or any other article once! I would never vandalize an article. Besides, my IP address is 68.114.127.87, while the real vandal's is 82.198.250.73. --Nintendo Maximus 02:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Okay, that's all the proof I need. The cake vandal's IP doesn't match Nintendo Maximus's IP, so it's not him... and, like most vandals, he isn't logged in, in order to remain "anonymous".  Yeah right, blocking an IP address would keep someone off a lot more accurately than blocking an account.  --Luigifan 21:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is the vandal so obsessed with cake? All it does is make me hungry. --64.72.59.179 14:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Found the vandal! It's 82.198.250.73 from Stamford, Connecticut. I suppose the best we can hope for is to pray that Shane McMahon didn't vandalize this article... --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 14:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Whoops...I found the real vandal. It's 90.192.61.27. I'm going to report him to WP:AIV and have him blocked from editing. --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 14:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

What if someone once vandalised and then someone else entirely found it funny and started doing it and another someone else found that funny and so on... - Davros27

Destiny...WTF?
Ok...it says that Knuckles said that Only Sonic could stop FH and Sonic is the controller...What the Hell? That's a total misconception if there ever was one! The "Controller" is the ME and only the ME. Saying that Sonic is the controller would also mean that Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze and any other transformed character would also be said controller. I don't know whether to rewrite this section or delete it entirely! It's pure fancruft at best GrandMasterGalvatron 16:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been added to since I originally wrote that section, but I always took it that the verse was rather open. Don't forget, we learn about it from Tikal and at the end of the game she realises even she doesn't fully understand it after seeing Super Sonic. What does Super Sonic do? He unifies the power of the Chaos Emeralds for his own use. This, along with the Hidden Palace mural, seems to imply certain Echidnas long ago foresaw Super Sonic. There are other super characters but within the story of the games Sonic is the key one. Specifically for Shadow- let's not forget, as the article points out, that there seems to be evidence that Gerald intended him to be an artifical answer to the prophecised hedgehog.--HellCat86 17:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Even so, the part about SA2 is incorrect. Knuckles was specifically talking to the ME when he said only it had the power to stop the emeralds.
 * Honestly...the whole bit about Super Sonic being a controller seems to be speculation. Also, I don't recall Tikal saying anything about Super Sonic.  Could you possibly quote her last lines in the game? GrandMasterGalvatron 17:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The SA2 part is the exact part I was referring to as having been changed, so perhaps that and some other rewrites are in order. For Tikal, I can't offer an exact quote but I'm referring to her insistance that Chaos be locked back in the Master Emerald, only to be made aware of the positive power of the Emeralds via Super Sonic.--HellCat86 17:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm a little curious as to why the section now guess Knuckles misread it. I'm near certain one of the Japanese manuals mentions Knuckles mistaking it's meaning.--HellCat86 10:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Given spoilers are starting to appear, I updated the piece on the Iblis Trigger since we now have the answer. In addition, I altered/removed the SA and SA2 parts. Rather than providing facts, they read as "You're wrong because..."--HellCat86 17:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, can anyone provide the Japanese Sonic 3 and S&K manuals? I'm near certain one of them says Knuckles misread the mural. For Gerald, SA2 provides tons of proof he studied Echidna culture. Chao999 seems to get edgy whenever origins/history come up...--HellCat86 03:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

If it is true is Sonic the ultimate Hedgehog

Birthplace
The source cited for Sonic's birthplace being Christmas Island is highly questionable and This interview seems to confirm it as being made up. I've removed it, and I suggest that it should stay removed unless a more concrete source can be provided.--SprintGod 01:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * A few things.


 * 1) The source is valid - it's a translation of an official article released by Sega themselves. Very much verifiable, provided you can read Japanese.
 * 2) Of course the story is made up. How many games have stories that AREN'T made up? Unless I'm living in a world with blue hedgehogs, overweight-yet-agile Italian plumbers, travelling warriors who fight by shooting fireballs and performing random helicopter attacks in the air, demon invasions every other Tuesday, and it also happens to be the future, well after some post-apocalyptic event. Seriously, though, the person saying the story is made up is rather vague - they could be stating that it's fiction (this wouldn't be the first time Sonic Team have stated the obvious in a Japanese strategy guide), or that this story was abandoned. Neither can be proven given the wording right now.
 * I don't think this argument holds. I'm putting the thing back in (commented out until we reach consensus) for now. --Shadow Hog 01:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My point is that the only source for this piece of information is alongside a story which is quite basically a load of nonsense probably written as a joke. Unless of course you believe that the games were really based on non-existent stories by a non-existent American woman and inspired by a non-existent pilot. It doesn't even get any of the characters' ages right.--SprintGod 05:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! Shadow Hog, that is hilarious.  Your point is very well made, and I'm not being sarcastic.  Let's face it, folks, video games are not meant to emulate real life!  --Luigifan 02:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree

Christmas Special?
Does anyone have any information about the Christmas special animation featuring Sonic? I can't find any mention of it on Wiki and was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gromreaper (talk • contribs)
 * Christmas Special? I haven't even heard anything about that. Where did you hear about it in the first place? UnDeRsCoRe 14:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I watched it when I was about 10 or 12, plus I recently saw it on DVD with some other lame Christmas episodes of some other shows, so I know it exists. Gromreaper 15:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Christmas_Blast --HellCat86 16:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, HellCat! Gromreaper 03:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

im sure if 4kids/FOX/ABC/CBS/Cartoon put out sonic shows and they sold buttons,patches,action figures,vhs,dvdsand games and hats shirts and stuffed animals depicting sonic and the like matter of fact you could probably get it on vhs or dvd just like you can buy every thing else at kb toys ,EB Games,the fair,kings dominion,target,walmart and ebay

Sonic isn't 15?
User talk:71.213.211.85 is bent on the fact that Sonic was 15 in SA and then 16 in SA2 and ages every year. So, he thinks Sonic is 21 years old and that I'm wrong. I'm having trouble convincing him the truth and stop him from list Sonic as 21, but so far I've had no luck. Can someone please help me? UnDeRsCoRe 15:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Random aside- since technically we've been told Sonic has been the same age in every game (15), that's one hell of a busy year...--HellCat86 15:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

i went on sega website sais sonic's 15 the must be right —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abyab (talk • contribs)

Although in Sonic Jam in the character museum, it says he is 16. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.104.56 (talk • contribs)
 * That's because in old school Sonic games he was 16, but now he's 15. UnDeRsCoRe 00:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well that doesn't really make much sense then does it? Sonic was 16 but as time went on he became 15? I wish SEGA could make it a bit clearer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.104.56 (talk • contribs)

It can simpily be explained as a Retcon. The only ages that are canon are the ones for the latest game. - R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   10:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Sonic does not go faster than sound
In the games, Sonic does not actually go faster than sound. He does travel faster than sound in the Archie comics and in Sonic X (and possibly in the SatAM series but i havent seen it.) The writers of these series probably thought the name "Sonic" implied higher then mach 1 speeds and it is one of the most common misconceptions about Sonic, the next most common is that he lives on Mobius etc. It says in the article that he does travel faster than sound, however that comment was probably written by someone who watches Sonic X because the following sentence is "He can run backwards just as well as forwards" (what sonic does to tease the racecar drivers in the first episode.) I didn't delete the line about Sonic's mach 1 speed because most fans will just put it back again. Also it might deserve a mention for Sonic X. If nobody objects i will either delete or modify that line. R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   06:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, Sonic runs backwards when he's reading the note from Eggman at the start of Sonic Heroes.--HellCat86 10:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with HellCat86. As for Mobius, the present understanding is that Earth and Mobius are two different names that refer to the same thing&mdash;saying that Sonic lives on Earth is just as correct as saying that Sonic lives on Mobius, and the article reflects that the last time I checked. --DavidHOzAu 10:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I believe that Sonic's slowed down when you're actually playing the game, but that's for a good reason; if Sonic was traveling at supersonic speeds, it would be impossible to control him!!!! --Luigifan 22:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he is moving at over the speed of sound, but the games slow it down so you can control him.--Ovi

He never breaks the sound barrier in cutscenes either. The beginning of the Sonic Heroes opening, when Sonic was running by himself seems to be a perfect place for him to break the sound barrier if he could. The fact is, in the games, which is confirmed to be in a different universe to Sonic X and SatAM/Archie he never breaks the sound barrier. To be an encyclopaedic article there has to be proof for this fact and a reference that isn't SatAM/Archie/Early American manuals, Fleetway, Sonic X or Stay Sonic (In other words, the games or Sonic Channel). If it is not possible to prove this, the article needs to explain how this is merely speculation when it comes to the game's storyline. R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   07:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well from a strictly scientific point of view, chaos control means that Sonic travels very very fast from an external frame of reference. (or is that the other way around?) --DavidHOzAu, making heads hurt worldwide, one head at a time. 12:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant he dosent travel faster in a 'normal' situation. (T_T) R OSSY    M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   11:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True. --DavidHOzAu 08:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Well he obviously CAN travel at the speed of sound, it's just that in the games it would be impossible to control. In the Sonic Cd intro FMV, many parts show Sonic travelling at ridiculously fast speeds. Also the fact that in the next gen title Sonic the Hedgehog, the speed stages are called Mach Speed Zones, which implies that Sonic can run at mach speed, even if he doesn't in the game. Also, if I remember right, Sonic creates a Sonic boom in the Sonic the Hedgehog movie anime. Whether Sonic X is canon or not, I doubt that they'd blatantly lie about how fast Sonic runs.

Hey, over at a "ask Sonic" kind of thing at Sonic Central, "Sonic" answered a question with "I have the ability to instantly accelerate to the speed of sound." And since it's Sonic Central, that's pretty official, right? 83.252.141.112 23:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually Sonic Central usually gets the answers of these questions wrong, they are generally contridicted by the games' stroyline and give an "americanised" view. As for the seemingly anonymous user above, even though some speeds seem incredibly fast they are nothing compared to the speed of sound. The term "Mach Speed" is over used as an exaggeration and generally dosen't imply "faster than sound" in popular culture. And the Sonic Anime is not canon, as it is set on Planet Freedom. R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   08:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

In Sonic Rush, Sonic can create a sonic boom using his Super Boost. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AXB-H (talk • contribs)

http://sonicrivals.sega-europe.com/en/index.html

As you can see...he is capable of a Sonic Boom, which means he 'is faster than the speed of sound. Deny it and I'll smack you for Sega of Japan bias :PGrandMasterGalvatron 20:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He is, it's been officially confirmed. And if it dosen't seem like it in the games, that's because it's in a game. If he was going at ACTUAL speed of sound, whoa, It would be hard to control him. So, don't take everything so literal. UnDeRsCoRe 00:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

hey E-mail me and tell the Sonic you will be known as I am Sonic my address is Ravenstorm-charmed@yahoo.com

Possible source of new reliable citations
The character profiles at http://sonic.sega.jp/chara/index.html can be cited as sources in the character section if someone knew how to read Japanese. IIRC, all I've been able to do so far is translate stuff like the stats on Rouge's profile&mdash;however all the text at the bottom of each character profile page has not been accurately translated by anyone to my knowledge. --DavidHOzAu 05:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Kojichan can read japanese. Is he a wikipedian? R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   11:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * She is not, but I know a few people who can as well GrandMasterGalvatron 16:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The Google translated version actually isnt too bad

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://sonic.sega.jp/chara/index.html&prev=/language_tools

Neither is Altavista

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fsonic.sega.jp%2fchara%2findex.html

Google does a better job because it attempts to translate words it dosent understand, and it has a bigger dictionary. You can also pay people to do a good job. (if youre that dedicated to wikipedia) R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   12:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Er, I'm not that dedicated. :sweatdrop: If I had the money I'd probably buy a $60 GIS tool (ala OpenStreetMap) and improve the quality of articles on small towns close to where I live.
 * Anyway, I've tried to use Google and Bablefish before but I find that they tend to get confused on newlines. (they think they are always an end of a sentence.) However, I just downloaded a Firefox extenstion called Rikaichan and from the looks of it, translating Japanese text will be loads faster (and more comprehensive) than plugging words into an online dictionary. Try it out, it'll give you the meaning of words that Google and Babelfish miss, plus it'll work give you the meaning of words just by hovering over them. Sweet! --DavidHOzAu 06:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like this line on the Google translated version might prove me wrong in the above talk discussion.
 * "True to its name it is the porcupine of supersonic speed"
 * I guess it depends on wether it literally means supersonic speed, or is just a metaphor. - R OSSY   M ILES    ( ロシマイルス )   TALK   09:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit war
There have been several back-and-forth edits regarding Sonic's birthplace. This issue needs to be clarified, and fast. Fast like Sonic himself! --Luigifan 12:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Official material has verified that Sonic's birthplace, is in fact, Christmas Island. BlackEDGE MkII 00:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, I knew it! --Luigifan 01:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Super Sonic Merge rename
Super Sonic now has a merge tag which links here. Though I didn't place the tag, I support this idea. I actually put the article up for deletion earlier but it fell through. Seriously though...Super Sonic does not need his own article. Every other Super Forms has their abilities listed under "Transformations" and Sonic should be no different...even with multiple forms. Besides, all of Sonic's forms are discussed in this article anyway and the Sonic the Comic and Sonic the Hedgehog data can be moved into their respective character articles. GrandMasterGalvatron 17:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Um, I'm not so sure if that's a good idea. There's more stuff there than just the Super transformation of the video game character; there's a comprehensive history and other stuff that is not suitable for summary style. In short, one would be hard pushed to condense all that information into a form which can be put on this page or the series page. As it is all the characters only have a small summary section and link to the larger article. IMHO, Super Sonic would be more suitable for merging with Chaos Emerald since they are more closely related the transformation, but that too is probably a bad idea to begin with because Super Sonic isn't a Chaos Emerald. The other alternative, which I mentioned was the series article, might need a better summary section of Super Sonic, but that's it. I think it's better for editors and readers if we keep things in the same place and just link to them when the situation calls for it. --DavidHOzAu 05:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well...how about renaming Super Sonic's article into one about Super Transformation and listing it as a feature...which it essentially is. I think I suggested this before but no one said anything....GrandMasterGalvatron 16:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I Think Super Sonic needs his own article. On various encarnations he is a different character, other than sonic himself. And Super Sonic's article is very big, plus Sonic's that is enormous, we will form a giant article. Better leave as it is.
 * If you referring to STC, then the Super Transformation is just something that brings out a different side of Sonic's personality. That being said, I think Super Transformation in Sonic the Hedgehog series might be a suitable title for the super sonic article.  Yes, it probably should be a feature instead of a separate character, and Galvatron has my support in that respect. --DavidHOzAu 10:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This AGAIN? Are people going to keep putting merge tags up until they get lucky and it does get merged? This page should not be merged. It would be adding too much info to an already long Sonic page. Not to mention that in STC Super Sonic is an individual character. No, no merge.--Zikar 03:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that this discussion has changed to "would a rename of Super Sonic to Super Transformation in Sonic the Hedgehog series provide a better direction for the article?". I just retitled the subheading to reflect this; hopefully future bystanders will not confuse the issue.  I support a rename, not a merge. --DavidHOzAu 04:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that'd be alright, as long as all the other transformations are moved there. H e llo 21 12  00:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say "Super Transformation (Sonic the Hedgehog)" is a good enough title on it's own. Any oppositions to the rename and merge of all Super form articles/sections?GrandMasterGalvatron 16:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not against it, but where is the article located? DeathGodDragon EDGE 21:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It has not been uploaded yet as it is currently in progress. I have the draft on my PC.  It currently has Super Sonic, Super Tails (both versions), Super Knuckles (both versions), Super Shadow, Burning Blaze, and Super Silver (in that order).  It looks pretty good.. (albeit a bit picture heavy, Tails and Knuckles have 2 pictures and the others have one), but I'm lost for citations.  Guess I could put a whole bunch of "cite game" tags all over it.  As for the power debate on Silver's page, it is mentioned that:

"Super Sonic has been shown to be able to transform other characters into Super Form using his own power. This was first seen in Sonic Heroes, and then again in Sonic the Hedgehog.  The resulting Super Form is the exact same as the character would have if they enabled the transformation on their own, right down to the ring drain."

and...

"By directly drawing on the power of the Chaos Emeralds or indirectly drawing on their power via Super Sonic, "_____ the _____ " can become Super _______."

(indent kill)I'm gonna try and see if I can make a test page for it where we can all go over it. :) GrandMasterGalvatron 22:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It is done! All Super Forms merged into one! check it out!. Also, the comic and TV show forms were given their own article for size reasons. GrandMasterGalvatron 17:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Is he or isn't he? anyone got proof? Roxyr

Miyamoto-san wants Sonic to be in SMBB,but of right now,Sonic being in the game is unconfirmed. Who knows? Maybe he'll be revealed during the Nintendo World Tour. BlackEDGE MkII 01:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Should I mention the fact? Roxyr 16:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No, well at least, not til we have complete proof he's in the game. BlackEDGE MkII 02:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The gay guy Snake should not be there Sonic shouldSonicrules2 01:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Sonicrules

We can only hope. --Luigifan 11:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sonic named after an airplane pilot?
Sounds familiar, can't place where I've read it before, although something about it screams copyvio and hoax to me. Anyone else got any thoughts on it? I've half a mind to litter it with citeneeded, comment it out, or just plain remove it. --DavidHOzAu 06:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I've read about it at Concept: Mobius, but that site is down now. 217.198.150.144 08:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It was in the pamphlet that came with the 10th Anniversary gift package...I'll scan it if I can find itGrandMasterGalvatron 02:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The strange "Mary Garnet" story can be found here. If you can think of a good way of incorporating it into the article, good luck - outlining all the various spin-offs and continuities in a clear way is some challenge as it is, even without including one with next to no connection to anything else! -- Nick RTalk 12:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Major plot point from Sonic 2006
NOTE:THIS SECTION CONTAINS MAJOR SPOILERS FOR SONIC 2006! DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS! (I don't have a 360 or PS3, so I just HAD to know the storyline, so I spoiled everything for myself;that's the reason I know all this.) I think we should mention the fact that Sonic died in the game(and not just under the 'relationships' section). This is big, folks! We can't just ignore it.Superbub 20:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, you people are ignoring it :| --Superbub 00:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality in Voice Section
I don't know you guys, but I think that we should put the positive reactions to Griffith's voice in the article. The section is mostly of negative reviews, but many fans (including myself) like Griffith's performance. Should we put the positive opinion? Leader Vladimir

If there's more than one fan, than sure.--Superbub 20:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

While that it an understandable concern, the overall opinion of him is in fact a negative one. The positive opinions seem to be in the minority. Edit the section as you wish but make sure you make it known that Griffith is in fact, disliked by an overwhelming majority. (As Sonic and Jet anyways...people are warming up to his Shadow)GrandMasterGalvatron 22:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * More generally, I think that the "Voice acting" section should be moved lower down the article. Should that subject, of interest only to fans, really be more prominent in the article than a description of Sonic's speed, which is by far the most defining aspect of the character? -- Nick RTalk 17:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Appearance
Does anybody know what's up with the shared-sclera thing? (one big eye-white with two pupils in it) I mean.. that always struck me as one of sonic's most distinctive features. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.63.142 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC).

I've never really reacted to it, since Mickey Mouse and such characters have the same thing. I mean, had. Mickey's eyes have been somewhat redesigned lately. 217.198.150.144 09:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Rearranging sections
As I mentioned above, I think the voice acting section is too prominent in the article, and I feel the same about certain other sections. I'm proposing a rearrangement of the article.

Sonic's most notable trait is his ability to run fast. It's the core concept that almost all the games in the series have been based around, and the one feature that's common to him in all comics and animations. There are many people who have enjoyed the games purely for their sense of speed and couldn't care less about his personality, his "love life" or the "controversy" over voice actors - I reckon they're only of interest to people who are already fans, and not general readers of Wikipedia. So, I'm going to rearrange the article as follows:

-- Nick RTalk 18:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) History
 * 2) Appearances
 * 3) Abilities (perhaps it should even be placed above "Appearances"?)
 * 4) Character
 * 5) Relationships
 * 6) Voice acting (renamed "Voice actors")

Good idea, although I think voice acting might be more interesting from an out of universe perspective than, say, his relationships. Minus the fancruft about voice actor controversy of course. --DavidHOzAu 07:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. The character, relationships and alternate versions sections really, really need to be trimmed down in favour of descriptions more appropriate to a Wikipedia article. -- Nick RTalk 18:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fan made brother nonsense
User:Skillerkiller keeps adding nonsense about a fan made brother character, no matter how many times the rest of us remove it. Can he/she be blocked or something?--HellCat86 18:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because he has not been even warned once. I added a welcome message and a 3RR warning. If he does it once more, he may be blocked for disruption, as the information is clearly put as advertisement and does not fit the article. If he adds it twice more, he will be blocked for 24 hours due 3RR. If he does again, though, I suggest you to take your time and explain why the information does not fit the article. Blocks are only last measures, and generally not applied if the user has not been warned. -- ReyBrujo 18:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

no wonder I thought it was to good to be true,the name sounded really fake.

Article Protected?
Why is the article semi-protected but you can still edit the page with a unregisterd or newly registerd account? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackypwill (talk • contribs).
 * The article is not protected, at least not right now. -- ReyBrujo 04:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ther's no need for it to be protected im unlocking it.Themasterofwiki 22:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sonic's Chaos Control
Sonic can definitely use Chaos Control with the real Chaos Emeralds. In Sonic Adventure 2, the Emerald he uses is fake, but Tails said: "It has the same wavelengths and properties, but it's less powerful than the real one.", meaning it's just like a regular Chaos Emerald, except with less power. Logically that would mean if he can use Chaos Control with a Chaos Emerald with less power, he can use Chaos Control with an Emerald with full power. He even uses it with a real Chaos Emerald a couple of times in Sonic 2006. 
 * OK, I've replaced the specific mention of the fake Emerald with a more general statement. Anything that helps the article get a little less bloated... :) -- Nick RTalk 18:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Huh?
Someone vandalized the opening of this article, calling Sonic an "ugly blue hedgehog who is fat and in Super Smash Bros. Brawl."


 * yes it should be protected —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.47.116.77 (talk • contribs).

that's horrible,and a flatout lie,but he is a blue hedgehog

TELL ME WHO PUT THE CRAP NOW Sonicrules2 01:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)sonicrules2

Profile tweak
In accordance with having the in universe template use the data at Sonic Channel, I've snipped these things from the section.


 * birthday=June 23
 * born=Christmas Island

Find a way to work those into the article :)

As birthday is generally the release of the first game, it was removed from the template. There are no in universe birthday fields at Sonic Channel. GrandMasterGalvatron 16:08, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Super Soul Fighter
This Lenny Kravitz song definitely fits Sonic. From the electric guitar to references to battling a "lord of the wasteland who don't want us to be free, but he can't stop our hero and his supersonic speed..." hang on, I just explained the whole thing. Okay, if you've heard the song, then do you think I'm valid, or do you think I'm crazy? I sure would like to know! --Luigifan 03:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC) you're 100 percent correct,I own that game I got it from EB Games(pre-used)for only 13$(Gamecube
 * This sounds like original research to me... Youkai no unmei 16:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

"Archie Comics"
The fancruft ends here. The name of the comic is Sonic the Hedgehog. I've gone and removed all occurrences of "The Archie comics" from the article as well as terms like "SatAM" and other crap. This is an informal article, not your average third rate fansite. Nothing short of the proper names for these things is acceptable. I better not have to do this for this article again >>.GrandMasterGalvatron 08:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)I agree

Not really anything to do with edits, but...
A few months ago, a Sonic fansite was put under External Links. I'm sure it was taken down for a good reason but can somebody show me where it was? I found that site very useful. Thanks - Davros27 that's odd

Sonic The Hedgehog
His official name has "The" capitalized. If you need a source, check out Steven Kent's The Ultimate History of Video Games or The First Quarter. Its the same book with two names. Its in their. Trust me. -doodlebomb@gmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.10.1.61 (talk) 03:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC).


 * It doesn't really matter if you spell it with a capital, so you might as well leave it as it is. Roxyr 16:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Team Sonic colour
Should I mention that Team Sonic's (Sonic, Tails and Knuckles) colours are primary colours, possibly to emphasise that they are the main characters of the series? If you do, tell me. Roxyr 16:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC) P.S I promise I won't spell "colour" with the u. Just for people that have an argument over it.


 * That's far too complicated - Davros27 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.42.162.112 (talk • contribs).


 * ...and also incorrect. Yellow is not a primary color as far as our eyes are concerned, and Vector is not a part of Team Sonic.  See also: Color vision. --DavidHOzAu 05:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The hell? Last I checked, yellow was a primary color and nobody said anything about Vector :PGrandMasterGalvatron 19:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The primary colors are red, blue, and yellow. And just cause Vector was supposed to be Sonic's bandmate in the first game doesn't mean a thing! But yeah, maybe the main three protagonists are the primary colors (one more time: red, blue, yellow!) because that was back in the day when all their characters weren't the same and they weren't running out of colors to make their characters. ChromeWulf ZX 21:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, yellow is indeed a primary color. I learned it in my art class this year. And I don't see how it's complicated. The three primary characters of the series are represented by the three primary colors, respectively. That's only complicated for a baby. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.151 (talk • contribs).
 * Be careful with personal attacks. -- ReyBrujo 02:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * While so-called primary colors are a useful way to describe mixing colors, primary colors actually have little relation to how our eyes work. For example, on computers and in reality we can give things color by shining light of (a) particular wavelength(s) on an object &mdash; we add color to what is otherwise dark, or black, in that we would see no light and no color without doing anything.... in art, people mix cyan, magenta, yellow and sometimes black to produces shades between those colors&mdash; inks take color away from a reflective surface, in that we would otherwise see every color, or white, without doing anything.  That is the difference between additive and subtractive color mixing.  And yet, as far as the eye is concerned, primary colors don't exist and everyone sees colors differently anyway.  Don't believe everything your teacher says. --DavidHOzAu 08:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * WTF? Then how are you supposed to learn? XD
 * What could be best said is that Team Sonic's colors are what are commonly associated by many as "primary colors". Much like the deal with the apostrophe s bit, it's gonna take some time to truly dispel it (eg.  The proper use is "Knuckles's" not "Knuckles'" because Knuckles is a singular object.  Likewise (Chaos Emeralds') represents a plural object so the s apostrophe is fine) GrandMasterGalvatron 21:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * To the person above(not Grandmastergalvatron or 'XD' guy but DavidHOzAu): you're making brain hurt. I'm not entirely sure if they knew at the time they were designed about all of that 'light effects on the eye' stuff. Grandmastergalvatron's case about 'commonly associated as...' is much better than yours. No offense meant. Roxyr 21:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC) P.S: What the hell have I done?
 * The thing to remember is that yellow is considered to be a primary color of the subtractive mixing system, while red and blue are primary colors in the additive mixing system. Yes, they are all primary colors, but in practice they cannot be used at the same time because they belong to different mixing systems.  You could get away with it in a renaissance portrait where the tones are predominately pastel, but try painting aquamarine with red, blue, and yellow as your primary colors. --DavidHOzAu 06:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In other words, we should be very careful about saying "red blue and yellow are primary colors" in the same sentence. --DavidHOzAu 06:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

This is from the primary colors page. 'Traditionally, the colors red, yellow, and blue are considered to be primary pigments in the art world.' It then goes on to say this is not actually the case. Then again, this page is about a blue, anthropomorphic hedgehog, so I don't think we have to be precise. Roxyr 07:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Note for article veterans
If you've lost track of the article over the last through months, here's what happened: --DavidHOzAu 06:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * diff : Transformation section removed
 * diff : Sections rearranged
 * diff : Other small changes in the text

Sonic And Spongebob
~What freak wrote about Sega getting brought out by Spongebob! And those anyone know what is more populer anyway (Probley Sonic).Themasterofwiki 21:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

sadly,probably spongebob,which i agree is so dumb,especially beacause practacly sega has nothing to do with nick or spongebob ,i prefer adult swim on cartoon network

Concept: "Mobius" back up!
For those of you who don't know, concept mobius is back up. Here is the link. It may have new content which we can add to the article. Roxyr 21:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * References to concept-mobius which had to go before: diff
 * I suppose we can now put them back in? --DavidHOzAu 22:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I just put them back in. Funny, I thought we cited Concept: Mobius six or so times instead of three. --DavidHOzAu 12:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, you have to take them down. Concept Mobius is a fansite and thus doesn't qualify as a reliable source.  Valid sources would be official websites.GrandMasterGalvatron 14:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

New image
It's high time for a new image, doncha think? If anyone knows where to get the one picture of sonic from the front cover of the latest nintendo power, that would be great:) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superbub (talk • contribs) 02:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Could you put it here so we could see it?Themasterofwiki 19:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Lists
Whoever keeps adding stand-alone lists to the article, please stop. I invite you to read Embedded list. The article would fail a Good Article Review with them left in. --DavidHOzAu 23:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Mario vs Sonic
personally i say that sonic pwns mario's fat a** from here to mobius to the mushroom kingdom. seriously, mario just can't match sonic's mach speed with his jumps or fire or anything. and sonic's way cooler, too. not to mention im just a more of a fan of the blue guy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.218.92.64 (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

Sonic is a better by a long shot why do you think I am Sonicrules

Talk pages are for discussing how to improve the article, not for discussing which characters are better than other ones. That's for forums. Gurko 00:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sonic is more populer than Mario however Mario has sold more games since it was released 10 years beafore Sonic.

Destiny info
Once again, Chao9999 has edited this section per their own personal interpretation of canon. For starters, we KNOW Gerald studied Echidna culture. SA2 makes this clear. Chao9999 however refuses to see it as such and therefore it obviously must be wrong. For Knuckles, I've said before I am near certain this is clarified in the Japanese manual for Sonic 3 or S&K. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of Chao9999's attitude to this and other Sonic related Wiki articles. Should something conflict with his/her interpretation of the story, it's apparently wrong wrong wrong and no discussion from those who know better is allowed.--HellCat86 01:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Then undo their edits in the page history. Let them know you are serious about keeping the article accurate. --DavidHOzAu 11:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I do, undoing the edits is the very first thing I did. I know Wiki asks users to ignore 'personal' attacks, but Chao9999 just seems to have his/her own agenda.--HellCat86 11:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Jeez, Chao9999 is still at it? Can't he understand? The facts are right under his nose, yet he refuses to see them! ChromeWulf ZX 21:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Gerald was ever on Angel Island to see the Super Sonic mural. Though there was already some knowlege about the Enchidna culture that Gerald could have looked at to create the 2nd Shrine (obviously since Sonic knew the myth of the so called "Floating Island" himself before going there) and there was artifacts in Mystic Ruins (Eggman found those stone tablets remember, so Gerald could have easily dug something up on the Shrine and Artifical Chaos - though Chaos was more a god to the Chao than the Enchidnas and it could even have been possible that scientific investigation of the Emeralds alone could have yielded the design of the shrine as the most efficent way to draw power from the stones). Also, if the writers intended for Shadow to be based off of a mural of Super Sonic in this way, then it would have been more apparent. The speculation that Gerald did see the mural on Angel Island and created Shadow in Super Sonic's image seems to be pure fan speculation because of the lack of evidence that isn't circumstancial and should be deleted. Overall I'm also sorry to say this destiny section seems a little awkward since the prophesies come into being shortly after being revealed and there is no known prophesy as to Sonic's greater destiny at this point. Perhaps it should instead be turned into a paragraph in another section, something like "Sonic actions have often fulfilled prophesies." What does everyone else think? Cigraphix 18:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Project Sonic The Hedgehog
I think we should start a Wikiproject Sonic The Hedgehog I think it desurves one since Mario has one.Themasterofwiki 19:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Wikitendo should probably be made into an task force of WP:CVG like WP:SEGA has been. My advice is to bring it up at WT:CVG.  However, a word of warning: the outcome may not be one that you like. &mdash;DavidHOzAu 02:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I know,I want to help fix the Sonic page.Themasterofwiki 17:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I know something you don't know
I heard on a article that Eggman and Eggmannaga are inlove —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonicrules (talk • contribs) 01:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

exactly what is a eggmannaga

He probably means Eggman Nega, and noo, they're related. Plus, this isn't the place to discuss this, anyway. Gurko 09:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

sure it is

In other media
Um i found this, should it be mentioned in the other media bit. http://www.atascocitatexas.com/images/area_photos/fastfood2.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.33.13.30 (talk • contribs).

Actually, that'd be "Cameos and popularity". However, I think that fast food chain having a similar logo to Sonic's old-school games is just a coincidence and has nothing to do with Sonic at all. In my opinion, don't bother adding it. &mdash;DavidHOzAu 01:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

That would be Sonic Drive-In, which is in fact 40 years older than the Sonic the Hedgehog series. No reason to add it. Gurko 09:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Chaos Emerald collor comparison
Well I been thinking about this for a while. And seriously, I wanted to make sure if this was right. But I had a curious thought or idea that could be talked about. What would people think if the chaos emeralds colors correspond to the specific characters.

Blue emerald would equal sonic

Red would be knuckles

Yellow as tails

black being shadow

white compared to silver

Purple linked with blaze

and green comfirmed with jet

Jet the hawk isn't even considered one of the picked out ones to be a choice but this is just speculation on an idea. Plus I saw that there was a light blue one and not a green one, or maybe it was a mixed up thought on imagination. Anywho, could sonic have been one of the pre picked out ones that match the color of the chaos emerald?

And again, this is just plain off the top of my head here so nothing big to expect of this being true and gossip away if you wish. Mialover730 08:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

If that were the case it'd be Knuckles (Red), Sonic(Blue), Tails(Yellow), Jet(green), Silver(White), Chaos(sky), and Big(purple).

Of course, that's just a coincidence. It could be trivia at the most. GrandMasterGalvatron 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me guys. I noticed that myself. Anyone against making this coincidence a trivia? Mialover730 16:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

If you do, it should be in the Chaos Emeralds' article.GrandMasterGalvatron 17:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to put in a trivia section to the article. Can someone help me out? Mialover730 18:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Erm... In the characters, I've seen just about every color there is. In fact, the only color I can think of that we haven't seen is brown. >.> --Jon166 03:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)