Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (character)/Archive 8

Gender
Citation needed for gender (male/female/neither). Listed as male in article categories. czar  &middot;   &middot;  06:10, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, for Sonic? He's definitely male. Do we really need a source for that? Strikes me as a WP:BLUE situation... Sergecross73   msg me   11:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sonic For Hire
I'm going to be bold with my thoughtstream here. What looks like a new editor has added in Sonic's VoiceOver for 'Sonic For Hire', now as far as I know this isn't actually a SEGA/Sonic Team run thing and was made by a fan on YouTube, so I'm going to ask now, should we have mentions of 'Sonic For Hire' in the article? MM (Report findings)  (Past espionage) 12:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely not. Non-notable unofficial/fan stuff is not covered In encyclopedic articles like this. Sergecross73   msg me   17:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect information on the Sonic the Hedgehog character page
towards to bottom of the page this line appears " According to a poll conducted during Sonic's height of popularity in 1990, the character was more recognizable to American children than Mario and Mickey Mouse."

There are two issues with this. In 1990 Sonic didn't exist so for him to be more recognizable than Mario or Mickey Mouse just cannot be. The second issue is if you follow the link to the reference, the reference has this written "According to a 1990 survey, Mario was more recognizable among American youths than Mickey Mouse." So the author of that sentence misrepresented the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Booyanti (talk • contribs) 16:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that doesn't look like the most reliable source. I thought that there was some sort of stat like this that was correct though, and I think I found it. In 1992, Sonic was more recognizable than Mickey Mouse for 6-11 year olds. Source: http://www.1up.com/features/essential-50-sonic - I can make the switch... Sergecross73   msg me   17:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Just for the sake of completeness: I can confirm that the 1992 date is correct. According to Blake J. Harris' 'The Console Wars', Sega's first Sonic title was released with the Genesis in mid-July of 1991. Frednotbob (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2014
Separate the VAs in the infobox by media, like on the Doctor Eggman page (i.e. Games, Cartoons, Anime), and add Roger Craig Smith under the Cartoons tab for his role in Sonic Boom.

136.181.195.25 (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 01:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Like this (which is how it used to look before CHall10006 removed the labels and size tags without explanation):


 * ✅ - thanks for improving Wikipedia! -- BZTMPS ★ ·  (talk?   contribs?)  19:41, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Middle name is "The"
Interesting read I had today.... that Sonic's middle name is in fact "The" .. so the T in 'The' needs to be capitalised .and not in lower case..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.118.126 (talk) 08:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I've seen it used both ways. On Wikipedia, article titles are determined by the article titles policy. In a nutshell: "Article titles should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources." "The" isn't usually capitalized in Wikipedia article titles, and when it is capitalized in external sources, it's probably a marketing technique, as the article you provided mentions. It's already in the lead that the character is trademarked Sonic The Hedgehog. Mz7 (talk) 23:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I meant to say pretty much the same thing earlier, but forgot to. MOS:TM could also be cited as a reason not to capitalize the "T". Sergecross73   msg me   23:47, 30 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Apparently, Al Nilsen deliberately made Sonic's middle name 'The', reasoning that it would be a cool story to tell in later years (Sourced from The Console Wars, ISBN-10 0062276700, pg. 76). Frednotbob (talk) 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2014
Just some minor content/format changes. Specifically, in the Appearances section, move "In April 2013, Sega announced that Sonic Lost World would launch in October 2013 for the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS." up as part of the third paragraph, next to the other main-line titles. Also, move the second to last paragraph in the section, discussing Sonic's crossover appearances, down to the Non-Sonic Games subsection, where its presence is more appropriate. I would also argue that there should probably be some mention of Sonic Boom somewhere in the Appearances section, as it currently only mentions the television series and not the video games.

136.181.195.25 (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done everything except the addition of a Sonic Boom mention, since you haven't specified exactly what to add. I might add some content on that front myself when I get the time. Mz7 (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2014
Revert "Sonic is a 23-year-old blue anthropomorphic hedgehog" back to "Sonic is a 15-year-old blue anthropomorphic hedgehog", as the statement is meant to refer to the character's age in-universe (15 as of Sonic Adventure, according to various instruction manuals and his official Japanese profile) and not the number of years since his first appearance.

136.181.195.25 (talk) 19:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

✅ - Removed outright. Definitely not 23...but his age really has no bearing on him as a character anyways. This way people stop arguing about it. Sergecross73  msg me  22:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Sonic The Hedgehog in Furry Culture
I can't see any kind of reason why there's an entire section dedicated to a single sentence about how furry culture makes use of this character. It could easy fit within reception and legacy, or just not be in the article at all.

I am removing the section from the article. Karzelek (talk) 11:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It must have been stealth added? I feel like I usually would have removed that on the spot. Sergecross73   msg me  12:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2014
Add the following under the animation section (pardon the bare reference link):

Sonic makes a brief appearance in the anime Hi-sCoool! SeHa Girls. In the middle of the Sega Hard Girls' first exam, Eggman hacks into the game world and begins to wreak havoc until Sonic appears. Eggman leads Sonic and the girls on a chase through several Sonic the Hedgehog games until they finally defeat him using an invincibility power-up.

69.136.149.237 (talk) 02:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * ❌ - That's a fansite, not a usuable source. Sergecross73   msg me  03:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, you should probably re-cite the instance where that same fansite is already being referenced on the page. Regardless, would the actual episode itself, which can be streamed legally on Crunchyroll, be a suitable source? I mean, the episode title is literally "Eggman vs. Sonic with the Sega Hard Girls"; not a whole lot of room for ambiguity there. -- 69.136.149.237 (talk) 03:35, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. No, the actual episode would constitute original research of a primary source and not usable as a reference to establish notability. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 17:19, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2014
"Unlike the games, Sonic is a young adult instead of a teenager."

I feel that the description for Sonic's age in Sonic Boom should be changed, as I don't think this should be on the article without a reliable resource. It's not good to just assume Sonic's age in this show without actually knowing it.

2601:7:9080:473:240E:D128:536A:6359 (talk) 00:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - It was recently added and unsourced. Removed. Sergecross73   msg me  00:41, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2015
I want to edit a sonic the heghog

Lazercat24 (talk) 20:56, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2015
Please change the description of Sonic's speed please. He easily breaks Hypersonic speeds. He has ran faster than the speed of light and thought before. He has no speed limit because he constantly surpasses his speed. Sonic has no speed limit, that is what I would like you to add about his speed.

IloveBrittney1994 (talk) 03:13, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2015
I want to something to his animated section

TheSonicMan (talk) 02:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
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Super Sonic?
Shouldn't we add an image Super Sonic? I mean he has been in the franchise ever since Sonic 2. However, I think should add information about it too. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean, I won't fight against it, but if any hardcore image policy people contest it, I don't know what my argument would be. If they ask "what is it that an image conveys that prose wouldn't", I'm not sure what I'd say. "Yellow Sonic with red eyes and upward slanting spines" covers it pretty good. Sergecross73   msg me  02:27, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Heh, I guess I was that hardcore image policy guy a few years ago. There actually was an image of Super Sonic way back when. I nominated it for deletion on the basis that it really wasn't necessary—red eyes, yellow body, upward slanting spines is a good textual description to combine with the existing Sonic image in the infobox. Wikipedia's standard for including non-free content is the bare minimum only. If one non-free image can show it, then that's all that's needed. With that being said, two years later, I'd be open to discussion on this. I can see the argument that an image of Super Sonic would be helpful to readers in a way that text alone can't really live up to—it actually shows the changes in question. At this point, I wouldn't fight it either. Mz7 (talk) 03:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd say that no image is necessary. We don't need a whole picture to indicate that something's yellow instead of blue XD. 2001:569:BD76:EA00:D24:C194:918F:8CA7 (talk) 11:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Middle initial T
This is mentioned by the lawyer in Sonic Boom when Eggman takes him to court for injuring him. In an earlier episode I also remember them referring to "the" as his middle name. It's kind of a running joke in-universe even if it's literally true IRL from our opening reference. Can we elaborate more on the "The" please? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 20:35, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Found the title was "Don't Judge Me" and TW Barker initially calls him "Sonic T. Hedgehog" but then later calls him "Mr The Hedgehog" (how CC stylizes the phrase) indicating that in his perception "The" is part of the surname. Kind of like how von when used as a nobiliary particle can be abbreviated to V. (although more commonly v. but CC has T. uppercased).

I think what spawned the earlier comment was either Tails or Knuckles saying "I thought 'The' was your middle name" after Sonic made some kind of "danger is my middle name" sorta quip. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 14:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2016
We should edit the page to include that Sonic will appear in Year 2 of Lego Dimensions. Here's a reliable source for proof:

2601:546:200:5D2A:B86A:8B69:AAE6:E2C (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Added to the "non-Sonic game" section. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me  13:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2016
Ulglrtfgesfdgbfsxgcha (talk) 17:07, 15 November 2016 (UTC) ❌ No request was actually made. Sergecross73  msg me  17:10, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2016
Change the last sentence of "Non-Sonic games" to the following:

Sonic appears as a playable character in the crossover title Lego Dimensions; the character was released on November 18, 2016 as part of the game's second season of content. 136.181.195.25 (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Information about Sonic's playable character in Lego Dimensions is already within the article. -- Dane 2007  talk 19:42, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, someone else added some of the info, with a source, earlier, and didn't address the request, so more like "sort of ✅". Sergecross73   msg me  20:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article only mentions that he was announced; it hasn't been updated to reflect the fact that the character has since been released. -- 68.37.227.226 (talk) 01:43, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2017
Hello I would like to make a edit request to add 2017 to Sonic The Hedgehog and Sonic Universe in the "The American comics published by Archie Comics" line as the Sonic The Hedgehog Archie Comic series had ended on July 19th 2017. So please update this to reflect this change. Bmhedgehog (talk) 17:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Gulumeemee (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog movie
Can someone please update the part about the Sonic movie? Didn't Sony put the project to in turnaround and gave it to Paramount? Stein256 (talk) 16:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2018
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Ryan Drummond not included in English voice actor list
Ryan Drummond, the first English voice actor (from 1999 to 2004) is not included in this article and he should be. His work ranges from Sonic Adventure to Sonic Heroes. Kirandoobles (talk) 17:07, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure why he was missing, but I added him. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 18:54, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

the speed of Sonic
Sonic is faster than light now Blaster19 (talk) 03:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

In the sonic the hedgehog book it says that sonic can run at the speed of light since sonic unleashed and in Super Interative Annual 2014 Book says that sonic is faster than light Blaster19 (talk) 04:28, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:GAMETRIVIA, in-universe facts like this don't belong. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 05:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

In sonic colors sonic escaped from a black hole, neither light can escape from a black hole, the black hole only swallowed sonic because it was in space and there was nowhere else to run Blaster19 (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

And yes it was a black hole because it was formed with the negative energy of the wisp and in the game the wisp with negative energy (the purple ones) transform sonic into a black hole that grows as it absorbs things Blaster19 (talk) 23:52, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, yes, we get it. But that's not really the type of thing an encyclopedia like Wikipedia really covers that much. Wikipedia is more about real-life context - him as a product of Sega - than covering all the little fictional story details. Sergecross73   msg me  23:59, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I said because in wikipedia it says that sonic only moves at supersonic speeds when it is faster, I did not want to disturb Blaster19 (talk) 00:11, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2017
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Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2017
Actor portrayal 73.229.82.10 (talk) 03:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC) Ryan Drummond is not mention in the "Actor portrayal" section.
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Sonic was once a human boy
JOE BRO 64  16:42, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/02/27/sonic-the-hedgehog-almost-human-sega-forces-mania/


 * Yeah, I saw that the other day too, and also thought it warranted a (brief) mention. Sergecross73   msg me  16:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2018
Can I edit Sonic the Hedgehog (character) article? 82.29.68.46 (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
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Infobox Image
I believe sometime ago I've uploaded File:Sonic modern and classic designs.png to the infobox as a means to satisfy Wikipedia's minimum-use standard for including non-free content. What is the need for File:Sonic 1991.png and a modern 3D design as separate images? « Ryūkotsusei » 17:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see one. If you're referring to the image that's supposedly Smash Bros Ultimate, it's a fine image, but not an improvement to replace your dual modern/classic image. If you aren't, then I think it falls into the same issue too. Sergecross73   msg me  19:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was referring to to that one: File:Sonic SSBU.png. . « Ryūkotsusei » 13:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

The problem with the Sonic Generations artwork is that the concept implies there are two Sonic the Hedgehog characters, when there is only one and has only been one since 1991. Having any artwork from any of the games is a better idea than having the dual persona nonsense from Generations. Please understand that the creative team behind Generations has nothing to do with the creation of Sonic from his inception, and that he's far better represented as one single character with really any arbitrary design. Please reply or I'll revert again. Gappy (talk) 00:56, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're giving the typical reader enough credit here. They're pretty obviously two relatively small variants of the same character. I've never witnessed a single person, Wikipedia, internet, or in person, who was confused by this. Additionally, as long as Sonic Forces and Sonic Mania are the two most recent major entries, it makes even more sense to use the dual image. Conversely, promo art from Sonic 3 isn't an optimal choice at all. It's over two decades old and not one of the titles they've re-released predominantly in recent years. That does not aid the reader in recognizing the character at all. Sergecross73   msg me  01:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not necessarily arguing for the Sonic 3 image, any image that shows him as one character will suffice. I disagree with the notion that you don't see people confused by it as all I ever see in the fandom and in the public eye is that there is a younger and older Sonic and that isn't the case at all. That's why the Generations depiction is so fallacious, it implies there are two versions of the same character when there are actually several different designs, let alone the two presented in Gens, that all represent the same one character. Look at the Mario infobox image. We do not need to show that there are "classic" and "modern" designs because he is one character who's appeared in so many different incarnations that it would be fundamentally redundant.


 * Don't go for the Sonic 3 image. Go for anything, just don't depict Sonic as two different characters is what I'm arguing for. --Gappy (talk) 02:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I also don't see an issue with showing the two distinct designs of the same character. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:52, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The westernization of Sonic's design was a big deal and Sega currently releases media with pre and post-westernization artwork. « Ryūkotsusei » 05:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you link to any specific instance of this issue ever occurring? I've been maintaining Sonic related articles for coming up on a decade, and I don't recall this ever coming up. Sergecross73   msg me  02:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2018
Don't use cosplay imsages on Sonic the Hedgehog (character) article, please? 82.29.68.46 (talk) 16:44, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * It's a part of the series legacy, why shouldn't it belong? Perhaps a better quality cosplay? ~ Dissident93 (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 01:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it personally. I don't like it when people are clearly doing it more to promote their own cosplaying works, but you can't even see the actual person in this image, so I don't see that as the case here. I'm not opposed to finding a different/better one, but I see no issue with this one being here in the meantime. Sergecross73   msg me  13:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2018
Is Ben Schwartz replacing Roger Craig Smith? 82.29.68.46 (talk) 02:08, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2018
I Can add the category video game characters with superhuman strength to Sonic the Hedgehog? DaggerBark (talk) 17:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ - No, “super strength is not one of his defining characteristics. Sergecross73   msg me  01:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2018
It should be mentioned that Sonic makes a cameo appearance in "Ralph Breaks the Internet", the sequel to "Wreck-It Ralph". Hedgehog91 (talk) 19:18, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 21:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2019
Will the sonic series continue? 2A02:C7D:4ECD:5A00:48F9:2BAF:B8F9:4C58 (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Closing as this is not an edit request – Thjarkur (talk) 12:28, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Picture of Super Sonic
This article is not complete without a picture of Super Sonic, because it's a very important part of the character. I would appreciate if someone had the time to put an image of the yellow hedgehog. Thanks in advance, TheWikiSearcher (talk) 23:59, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, he's just Sonic but yellow... I think that explanation is enough. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  00:10, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Wikipedia image policy is complicated, but the short version is that it needs to illustrate something that text alone can’t generally. As stated above, “yellow Sonic” just about covers it, so an image isn’t really necessary. Sergecross73   msg me  00:26, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay, but can someone add that when he's Super Sonic, his spikes are pointing up? --TheWikiSearcher (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Last appearance infobox field
I’m not sure why Sonic fans are having such a hang up on this. “Last game” doesn’t mean “and no other games ever”. It just means “most recent”. That’s a thing people say too. If someone asks “what’s the last game Sonic was in” and I said “the Olympics game”, it wouldn’t infer that he would never appear in a game again. It would mean “most recent”. What would be the practical usage otherwise? How often to we have positive confirmation that a character will never appear in another game? Sergecross73  msg me  00:13, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The meaning of "last" isn't the problem. It's the idea of putting a film in there instead of their last game appearance. That doesn't make sense for what is and always has been primarily a video game character. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 00:19, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, that part is definitely true. I was thinking it said the Olympic Games, which was what it said the last time someone was trying to remove it. It shouldn’t say the movie, it should say the M+S 2020 Olympic Games. Sergecross73   msg me  00:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Whether the movie should be listed is a fine point to debate, I don't care either way. But for a while now there have been editors in the past year repeatedly removing this field because "it's not the final appearance ever, ever ever". That was TropicAces' stated reason when it was removed entirely on the 17th. I don't agree that Joebro that this field is "too hard" to keep up to date. Game releases aren't that frequent. -- ferret (talk) 20:29, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with both points. Perhaps the field should just be renamed to "most recent"? ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 21:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That'd be a topic for Infobox character's talk page. I'd be fine with "latest" versus "last" as well, which should address the issue people have with "last" meaning "very last, final"... which is not my reading at all but... -- ferret (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My point was that the last appearance field serves no purpose. Sonic appears a lot (games, movies, TV shows, comics, etc.) so it's unwieldy and unnecessary. Also, Serge's claim that it's used "all across Wikipedia" is 100% false; major game characters on par with Sonic, like Mario, Lara Croft, and Master Chief, don't use the field. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  14:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * My point was more that it’d never be used under the viewpoint of “last” meaning “it won’t happen again”. I mean, how often do we definitively know that a character will never appear again? Company’s don’t announce or concede things like that. And even characters like Bubsy get revivals after decades of inactivity. Sergecross73   msg me  15:06, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the field being used in that way serves an odd purpose. It being renamed to "most recent" would solve the issue of misunderstanding it. However, I'm fine with omitting it here per Joe's points, especially as Sonic makes multiple new appearances every year. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 21:02, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2020
I need to edit this. Sonic did not first appear in Rad Mobile, he actully first appeared in a flyer of the band known as dreams come true 73.93.54.201 (talk) 05:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 06:32, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2020
Sonic the Hedgehog is the protagonist of the Sonic the hedgehog video game series published by Sega, as well as numerous spin-off comics, animations, and other media. Sonic is a blue anthropomorhpic hedgehog who can run at supersonic speeds and curl into a ball, primarily to attack enemies. In most games, Sonic must race through levels, collecting power-up rings and avoiding obstacles and enemies

Programmer Yuji Naka and Naoto Ohshima are generally credited with creating Sonic. Most of the games are developed by Sonic Team. The original Sonic the hedgehog (1991) was released to provide Sega with a mascot to rival Nintendo's flagship character Mario. Sonic was redesigned by Yuji Uekawa for Sonic Adventure (1998), with a more mature look designed to appeal to older players.

Sonic is one of the world's best-known video game characters and a gaming icon. His series had sold more than 80 million copies by 2011. In 2005, Sonic was one of the first game character inductees into the walk of game alongside Mario, Link, and Master Chief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.156.53.2 (talk) 03:51, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Non-fiction
Sonic the Hedgehog is the protagonist of the Sonic the hedgehog video game series published by Sega, as well as numerous spin-off comics, animations, and other media. Sonic is a blue anthropomorhpic hedgehog who can run at supersonic speeds and curl into a ball, primarily to attack enemies. In most games, Sonic must race through levels, collecting power-up rings and avoiding obstacles and enemies

Programmer Yuji Naka and Naoto Ohshima are generally credited with creating Sonic. Most of the games are developed by Sonic Team. The original Sonic the hedgehog (1991) was released to provide Sega with a mascot to rival Nintendo's flagship character Mario. Sonic was redesigned by Yuji Uekawa for Sonic Adventure (1998), with a more mature look designed to appeal to older players.

Sonic is one of the world's best-known video game characters and a gaming icon. His series had sold more than 80 million copies by 2011. In 2005, Sonic was one of the first game character inductees into the walk of game alongside Mario, Link, and Master Chief. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.156.53.2 (talk) 03:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Sonic the hedgehog is the protagonist of the video game series with the same name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.156.53.2 (talk) 03:55, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Rad Mobile
Haven't we discussed this in the past? Having a super minor cameo appearance (literally a single low-res texture) should not constitute the first appearance of the character, at least in terms of the infobox. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 08:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe we have, and I fully agree. It’s not even a “cameo”, it’s just like a low-res air freshener in the background or something. I mean, technicalities aside, he was first conceived for his own game, and it’s just that Rad Mobile happened to release a little earlier. It’s not like his origin story involves starting as a background decoration for a racing game and Sega going “You know what, that decoration needs its own game!”   Sergecross73   msg me  14:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's been discussed in the past (the talk page archives didn't show anything), but if Sonic appeared in Rad Mobile before Sonic 1, it's his first appearance. It shouldn't matter if it's minor or not. In addition, reliable sources consider Rad Mobile Sonic's first appearance . This is like saying Batman's first appearance was in Batman #1, disregarding the fact he'd appeared in Detective Comics before he received his own comic. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  15:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, your analogy falls flat, unless Batman’s only appearance in the Detective Comics was as a decal on someone’s coffee mug or something, but your sourcing comment is more compelling... Sergecross73   msg me  16:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * While the sourcing is compelling, it still just feels wrong to me for the reasons you pointed out. I also took a look at the infobox and it has parameters for both "first" and "first major", so maybe we could keep Rad Mobile in "first" and Sonic 1 as "first major"? ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 05:11, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Replace article image
Can we replace the Modern and Classic Sonic image with something else. It's old and to me I don't see why it has to still be there. Can we replace it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeekFreak98 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Why? The design for Sonic hasn't changed since the image was uploaded. Just wanting a new image for no other reason isn't valid enough to change it. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 19:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

What I mean is we can get rid of the Classic and Modern Sonic image. We can just import an image of just Sonic, you know? We don't need two Sonics for this image y'know. So that's why I was thinking of changing the image. GeekFreak98 (talk) 06:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't understand, you want to replace a perfectly fine image with another image for no reason other than preference? ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 09:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it improves the reader's understanding of the topic to remove one of the representations of the character that was in use for decades. -- ferret (talk) 13:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm having a hard time seeing a valid reason to change it either. The reason we have images is for recognizability, and the current image helps people see both designs. It's not like it's out of date conceptually either - "Classic Sonic" was present in the last 2 main platforms entries. We need actual reasons to change images - it would be in a constant state of changing and arguing all the time if we allowed it to be changed based off of people's whims and personal preferences. Sergecross73   msg me  17:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Needlemouse
So I was reading this article at Sonic Stadium, and long story short Yuji Naka participated in a special public exam by Sega (in celebration of their 60th anniversary) and had trouble with the question regarding Sonic's codename. He was not familiar at all with "Mr. Needlemouse". Additionally, one Twitter user (mentioned in the article) noted that the actual original name for Sonic in Japanese was “Mr. ハリネズミ” (“Mr. Hedgehog”). When you attempt to translate the Japanese word for ‘Hedgehog’ (ハリネズミ), it’s actually possible to split the word into two. “ハリ” (‘hari’) means “needle”, and “ネズミ” (‘nezumi’) means “mouse” but together, they compound to mean “hedgehog” (ハリネズミ, ‘harinezumi’).

So does this mean that "Mr Needlemouse" was never a tentative name for Sonic at all and just a misconception all these years? Or was it just completely unknown to Naka himself (up until this public test)? --109.228.153.221 (talk) 06:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We have reliable sources that say the name was used, so we should go with them per WP:TRUTH. If a reliable source (I'm assuming Sonic Stadium is not reliable?) notes Naka's lack of knowledge of the name, or that the name was actually Mr Harinezumi, we can add that too.
 * (As an aside, the explanation in that article about it being "possible to split the word harinezumi in two" is a bit misleading, or at least not enlightening. You can also split the word "hedgehog" in two: "hedge" and "hog". So what?) Popcornfud (talk) 10:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (As an aside, the explanation in that article about it being "possible to split the word harinezumi in two" is a bit misleading, or at least not enlightening. You can also split the word "hedgehog" in two: "hedge" and "hog". So what?) Popcornfud (talk) 10:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sonic Stadium is a reliable site, I'm certain that atleast one of the 2010s games (Generations if I remember correctly) even has them as one of their reference links in this wikipedia.
 * Anyway, I just read on Nintendo Life that Yosuke Okunari (creative producer who works on many Sega retro projects) recently replied and explained to Naka about the Needlemouse translation and that its scrawled on a piece of concept artwork by Naoto Oshima.--109.228.153.221 (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sonic Stadium isn't reliable in the Wikipedia sense - it's a fan site and fan sites generally not allowed to be used as a source. Nintendo Life is pretty much the lowest level of reliable source we accept. But yeah, I doubt it's any real contradiction. Sega themselves have mentioned the Needlemouse stuff before, so it's real in some capacity. I think fans often forget that even key creators can be hazy on the details of things from like 30 years ago...  Sergecross73   msg me  20:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2021
Drummond voice Sonic until 2004, not 2003. The source next to his name in the “Voiced by” section in the infobox directly says he voiced the character until 2004. 2600:1000:B053:D6AF:A18D:B4B1:892D:78A0 (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 54nd60x (talk • contribs)


 * Yes check.svg Done. Not sure what was unclear about the request to me, the sources do indeed show him voicing sonic into 2004, so I've fixed it. Volteer1 (talk) 13:56, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source? Someone was just recently tinkering with the years and I'm honestly not sure which is correct, as I don't really pay attention to the voice actors personally. Sergecross73   msg me  13:59, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * As the person requesting the edit noted, the end date is 2004 in the citation next to Drummond's name, and you can also see him voice acting in 2004 in the first reference. You can have a look at Ryan Drummond for more info too if you'd like. Volteer1 (talk) 14:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, no, sorry, I misread the situation. I first read that as you complaining that they wouldn't make your edit request. Obviously that's not the case. Nevermind, it's fine. Sergecross73   msg me  14:51, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * All good. Volteer1 (talk) 14:55, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Rad Mobile
Haven't we discussed this in the past? Having a super minor cameo appearance (literally a single low-res texture) should not constitute the first appearance of the character, at least in terms of the infobox. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 08:55, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe we have, and I fully agree. It’s not even a “cameo”, it’s just like a low-res air freshener in the background or something. I mean, technicalities aside, he was first conceived for his own game, and it’s just that Rad Mobile happened to release a little earlier. It’s not like his origin story involves starting as a background decoration for a racing game and Sega going “You know what, that decoration needs its own game!”   Sergecross73   msg me  14:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's been discussed in the past (the talk page archives didn't show anything), but if Sonic appeared in Rad Mobile before Sonic 1, it's his first appearance. It shouldn't matter if it's minor or not. In addition, reliable sources consider Rad Mobile Sonic's first appearance . This is like saying Batman's first appearance was in Batman #1, disregarding the fact he'd appeared in Detective Comics before he received his own comic. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  15:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, your analogy falls flat, unless Batman’s only appearance in the Detective Comics was as a decal on someone’s coffee mug or something, but your sourcing comment is more compelling... Sergecross73   msg me  16:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * While the sourcing is compelling, it still just feels wrong to me for the reasons you pointed out. I also took a look at the infobox and it has parameters for both "first" and "first major", so maybe we could keep Rad Mobile in "first" and Sonic 1 as "first major"? ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 05:11, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Looks like we're still arguing over this. Do we need to open this up to the Wikiproject or something? Sergecross73  msg me  00:32, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I would like to note that the recent official Sega Test had a question about which game was Sonic's first appearance, and the answer was Rad Mobile. I mean, if Sega itself considers it Sonic's first appearance, I don't really see there being anything to debate... <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  01:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because it's technically true doesn't make it non-debatable, at least on Wikipedia. I also support further discussion from other WP:VG members, since it seems to only be us three debating it. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 03:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not "technically true". He appears in Rad Mobile, plain and simple. The infobox parameter does not say "first playable appearance" or "first starring appearance", it says "first appearance". He appeared in Rad Mobile before Sonic 1. Numerous sources, alongside Sega itself, say this is his first appearance. We should not be the ones who determine what does and what does not constitute a first appearance, which is WP:OR at worst. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  12:45, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I just don't particularly feel like when the reader is looking for the origins of Sonic, that they're looking to find out that he was an air freshener in the background of some obscure racing game a couple months before his actual debut game was officially released. Especially considering it's not like the background story was like "Well, we thought the air freshener was cute so we decided to give it its own game" or something. He was first created for Sonic 1, it just happens that Rad Mobile happened to beat it to market by a few months. Sergecross73   msg me  17:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * He was first created for Sonic 1, it just happens that Rad Mobile happened to beat it to market by a few months ... which makes Rad Mobile his first appearance. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  17:17, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think if we're not going to list Rad Mobile here then we want a better reason than "this is not the answer readers expect". Popcornfud (talk) 18:01, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thats a pretty disingenuous take away from this conversation. I mean, that was really just part of it - is counting an air freshener as a game characters first appearance in a video game really a common practice? Sergecross73   msg me  18:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean, it’s not uncommon for famous characters to have their first appearance be only a minor cameo. Darkseid’s first appearance was just a small cameo on a computer screen at the end of a Jimmy Olsen comic, for instance. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  18:27, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's hard to guess at the implication of this question. Are you saying that if a character's first appearance is in as an air freshener, we should ignore it? If so, why? What discounts air fresheners exactly?
 * I'm on the fence as to what we should actually put in this field, Sonic 1 or Rad Mobile, but I think I need to hear a better reason against it than "it seems basically weird" (which, sorry, that is what the counter-arguments amount to so far).
 * Should this field only be for first major appearance? First starring appearance? First widely recognised appearance? First appearance that is not deemed "low-res"? What is the criteria here exactly? Popcornfud (talk) 23:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , the infobox already has a "first major" parameter, which I suggested we use to add Sonic 1 there if we couldn't come to a strong consensus one way or another (which still seems to be the case). ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 23:45, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good compromise to me. Popcornfud (talk) 23:57, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It didn't work exactly how I first thought but I still found a way to include both in the infobox, for now anyway. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 00:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with this compromise as well. Sergecross73   msg me  12:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It didn't work exactly how I first thought but I still found a way to include both in the infobox, for now anyway. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 00:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with this compromise as well. Sergecross73   msg me  12:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2021
Another mistake I saw that I forgot to mention is that Ryan also began voicing Sonic in 1998, not 1999. The source that is citation next to Drummond's name directly says 1998. 2600:1000:B04A:ADEF:31A6:2A57:6FC2:54B8 (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done SkyWarrior  04:39, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2021
A source has recently been added by user TuxbietheFixer here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)&diff=1005424825&oldid=1005102612, saying that Ryan is returning as Sonic this year. But unfortunately it hasn’t been officially confirmed yet if he’s returning as Sonic. His agent actually did contact Sega about reprising his role as Sonic again according to the source he provided, but it hasn’t been officially confirmed yet. So it’s best for it to be removed just for now until we hear an update. 73.61.19.15 (talk) 16:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ - They used an unreliable source to make the change too. Sergecross73   msg me  17:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Bill Clinton inspiration?
In the "Origins and Story" section it says that his personality was based on Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. None of the cited sources say anything of the sort, and Clinton's 1992 campaign started on October 3, nearly 2 or 3 months after the first Sonic the Hedgehog game had come out.
 * I was also confused about that. Does anyone know reliable sources? SuperSonic400 (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Apparently this is mentioned in this documentary at some point, but I haven't watched it yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9h-4vQUHM Popcornfud (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @Popcornfud It's 5 minutes. I think you would want to check it. SuperSonic400 (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned around the 4:08 mark in the video. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  01:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I checked and you are correct. But I am not sure if that's a reliable source of infoSuperSonic400 (talk) 20:53, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * GameTap would definitely be a reliable source. See GameTap. They were a legit video game streaming service in the 2000s. Sergecross73   msg me  01:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Incorrectly linked voice actor page
The reversion on July 8th inadvertantly undid a correction made to the attribution of Sam Vincent as the singing voice of Sonic underground. The voice actor needs to be specified as Sam Vincent (voice actor) as the plain Sam Vincent redirects to a basketball player. Arcoviain (talk) 18:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless it was in fact the player in which case it shouldn't be changed, or neither where it should be linkless (I could not find reference to Sonic underground in either of their respective pages Arcoviain (talk) 18:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I have now confirmed via IMDb that the voice actor is the correct attribution. Arcoviain (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , IMDB isn't a reliable source. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 19:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Even given that it isn't, there is less evidence supporting the basketball player being the voice actor. I submit that the present link to the "Sam Vincent" article within this article be removed pending reputable verification that either the basketball player or the voice actor performed the singing role of Sonic the Hedgehog in Sonic Underground. Arcoviain (talk) 21:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2021
I just recently noticed a mistake in the infobox with the voice actors. AnomieBOT accident put the same source in the infobox twice by mistake here:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)&diff=1053144844&oldid=1053131887. Is there any chance someone can fix that?

Plus, the second part that needs to fixed is the "/" in the ref name of Mercury News in the infobox, needs to be removed. As shown here:<ref name="MercuryNews"> 73.61.19.114 (talk) 20:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done I believe the citation error you mentioned has been fixed. Correct me if I'm wrong.  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 08:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2021
now Lonmig55 (talk) 05:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 06:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Sonic's Two Debuts
Hey guys, I know that Sonic's true debut was Rad Mobile, but Sonic also first appeared (officially) in Sonic the Hedgehog. So my point was that in Sonic’s profile, we should remove “First game”, and let “First appearance” remain, because Sonic first appeared in two different games that both introduced him for the first time, one was the first, is Rad Mobile, he appeared as an air fresher, and the second; was Sonic first appeared officially like for real and physically in Sonic 1, so I was asking if we can put like this in Sonic the Hedgehog’s profile;

First appearance Rad Mobile (cameo) Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)

Will that be a good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaeliaba (talk • contribs) 17:24, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand the general scenario, but I don't follow what's wrong with how it's currently laid out? It currently illustrates this just fine. Sergecross73   msg me  18:10, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Design Inspirations
So I believe Sonic’s head was modeled after Felix the Cat’s while his body was modeled after Mickey Mouse’s. Is it worth a mention? 2600:1010:B01F:115C:24F0:785A:408B:A2DA (talk) 04:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 19 February 2022
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

– If Mario on it's own is for the character, why isn't it the same for Sonic? Thomasfan1000 (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sonic the Hedgehog (character) → Sonic the Hedgehog
 * Sonic the Hedgehog → Sonic the Hedgehog (franchise)
 * It depends on which is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It might be that the Sonic character is really the primary topic here, in which case we should make the switch. It might be that there is no primary topic, in which case maybe we should rename the franchise article to Sonic the Hedgehog (franchise) and use a disambiguation page for Sonic the Hedgehog. The same goes for the Mario articles. Popcornfud (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yup. Personally, as a side note, as long as the series article is in incredible Featured Article status and this character article is in a pretty junky state, I'd prefer that the series article be the first thing people see when the do they most basic/common of search terms "Sonic the Hedgehog". Sergecross73   msg me  15:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Well on a similar move, I personally think Sonic in its own should just redirect to Sonic the Hedgehog, as when people think of Sonic on its own, they think of Sonic the Hedgehog. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 15:40, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, probably best to wait and discuss one at a time. On the topic of the original move: Do you have any other reasons for the move other than keeping parity with the Mario articles, which isn't a requirement, or even confirmed to be the right way itself? Sergecross73   msg me  16:55, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Probably because 'Sonic the Hedgehog' comes from the character, and to keep it consistent with the other Sonic character pages. Like the page 'Shadow the Hedgehog' is for the character, while 'Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)' is for the video game. Thomasfan1000 (talk) 18:32, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

<div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose - current arrangement is supported by WP:NCVG which avoids the back-and-forth about whether the game or the character is primary. -- Netoholic @ 18:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - proposal doesn't appear to be based on anything beyond personal preference and apples to oranges/WP:OSE comparison scenarios. Sergecross73   msg me  18:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The current way it's handled is perfectly fine. <small style="color:red">JOE BRO  64  03:58, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The character is part of the franchise, so as a subset of it it would go to reason that the franchise comes first. Honestly, I feel the same way about Mario, but I guess he is one of the most well-known video game characters ever. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not only changing the name would just be an inconvenience, but it works fine, and is really a subpage for the main franchise article, so keeping (character) works better. Lord of Fantasy (talk) 18:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the video game franchise is the primary topic. The reason why Mario is about the character is that there is no video game named Mario, it has always been Mario Brothers, Super Mario Brothers etc. But Sonic the Hedgehog was a video game title right from the beginning. J I P  &#124; Talk 02:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Tim Robinson Sonic
Should we add Tim Robinson in the list of "voiced by". He voices him in the new Chip 'n Dale movie 2603:8000:B03:CA00:B54F:8E0C:E869:AC24 (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No, he voices 'Ugly Sonic', a meme/parody of Sonic. It's not the same character (and there's some evidence they didn't even license it from Sega). Might be worth a sentence in prose somewhere, but it's clearly not an official voice for Sonic. -- ferret (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2022
Add Tim Robinson from [Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers (Film)] 2601:408:701:BD10:640E:FC6C:AB60:763B (talk) 22:24, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: He voices a parody of Sonic known as Ugly Sonic, not the actual Sonic character. Thus, Tim Robinson is not an official voice for said character. — Sirdog (talk) 22:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 establishes that Tom and Maddie did adopt Sonic at the end of the first one. They call him "our kid" and Sonic even calls Tom "Dad". It was noted that this was in the film series canon only in mentioning that in the infobox. 3040Thirty (talk) 01:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Sonic regards them as parental figures by the end, sure, but they are not literally his parents. There was no indication of a formal adoption. That, and all the information you're adding is unsourced. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 02:02, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Crap, that was Autocorrect, I meant informal. Would "surrogate father" work then? And I can add back the information if I source it all? 3040Thirty (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'd argue there shouldn't be film/comic other media stats in there at all. It feels like unnecessary bloat, and the article is primarily about the character as he appears in games. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I would disagree. The opening says that Sonic the Hedgehog is the protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series published by Sega, as well as numerous spin-off comics, animations, and other media. The comics, television series and films exist, are significant, and this article is not only about Sonic as in the games. All the voice actors would be bloating too, except they are in columns for language. These would also be in columns for continuities. Could I try referencing the family section, and you can see how it looks? 3040Thirty (talk) 02:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is excessive fancruft as far as the infobox goes. Better suited for Fandom. -- ferret (talk) 02:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Sigh Fine. Can I put in significant others, given there have only been three? 3040Thirty (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Really late response but this wouldn't even be really acceptable in prose, let alone the infobox. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 10:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2022
May You Change his name to his canon name, IE Olgilvie Maurice Hedgehog, Thats all i ask, It ok if you deny, Just remember sonic is a nickname 136.158.118.218 (talk) 08:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &#128156; melecie   talk  - 10:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2022
Change "character" to "characters" and change "inductees" to "to be introduced" 2600:1700:6A41:4010:2494:F9F2:2188:C4D5 (talk) 02:16, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I just removed it from the lead entirely, as it was WP:UNDUE for the lead. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:59, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't we have an origins section?
Sonic started as an attempt by Sega artists to draw an Italian similar to Mario. After seeing the art, the games theme was changed. Goodbye Socca, hello Sonic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabrodoah (talk • contribs) 07:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * You would need to provide a source for that claim, for starters. Sergecross73   msg me  10:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)