Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film)/Archive 1

Lee Madjoub reprising role?
Need some references that confirm that Lee will be in this sequel. I only see social media that says he is excited about the sequel, but nothing to indicate that he is on the set and has confirmed this role. So I have removed this from the billing block and cast for now. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Knuckles's appearance
Right now it's still on speculation, but please supply references when it is confirmed that Knuckles is indeed in the film and when a voice actor has been cast to voice. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:31, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Better sources needed
I'd like to remind editors not to use fansites as sources WP:FANSITE. If it something has not been reported by reliable sources you will have to wait, and also it might not be WP:NOTABLE either.

WP:CRYSTAL Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Nothing is certain until the film is actually released, please try to avoid speculation. -- 109.79.183.162 (talk) 01:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * I've removed several Fan sites. I am considering also removing the reference to Fandom.com because Wikpedia is not supposed to use other wikis as references (WP:UGC and also WP:RSPS) but this might be a valid exception as it an interview that simply happens to be hosted at Fandom. It would still be better if an alternative source could be found. -- 109.79.169.92 (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Cast
The only people who have been confirmed to return/appear for this movie are Tika Sumpter, Ben Schwartz (via interviews), Jim Carrey, and James Marsden (via set intel). Anything else is speculation.

Yeah, never Believe knuckles and Amy Will appear Greatskunk9492 (talk) 19:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

We can kinda confirm tails too Greatskunk9492 (talk) 19:30, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Voice of Amy Rose
The voice of Amy Rose appeared on the sequel film, as Nicole Scherzinger.


 * How did she manage that? More random speculations and no references.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Just like knuckles it's not that Official, people are kinda hyped by Amy Rose in movie 2, same with knuckles Greatskunk9492 (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

People think knuckles is getting in... And it's all wikipedias fault Greatskunk9492 (talk) 19:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Knuckles is confirmed to be in the movie by Paramount, and Idris Elba confirmed himself that he will be voicing. About your edits about Nicole voicing Amy though, there is absolutely no proof confirming it. The7Guy (talk) 03:50, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to joke around and pretend to be shocked lol, I still Greatskunk9492 (talk) 02:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Need more proof for knuckles, but well you are right, I can stop if you want :) but well I edited to prank yall Greatskunk9492 (talk) 02:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

That counts as vandalism- (but it's nice to see you wanting to stop now, that would be good, thanks) The7Guy (talk) 08:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Should I put Tails in the Voice Cast section?
I know that the voice of Tails in this film has not yet been confirmed, but on the cast list, it puts Tails on the very bottom in the "Additionally," section below the live-action section, and Tails is not a live-action character. But I don't know whether to put him at the bottom of the voice cast section or leave it as it is. Red4Smash (talk) 21:42, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , leave as is since the voice is not yet determined. The part about previous voice actors can be removed if not relevant. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Inspired by Sonic 3 & Knuckles?
Is it me, or does the premise make me think the film's plot is inspired by Sonic 3 & Knuckles? Visokor (talk) 17:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say it's directly inspired from the game (based on the trailer) but it definitely does reference it. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Tom Holkenborg
None of the sources listed have confirmed that Tom Holkenborg has reprised doing the score for the film, hence as to why it has been removed. 174.253.67.215 (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Early on a lot of information was thoughtlessly copied directly from the first film, even things we couldn't possibly know yet. I noticed the runtime had been copied but I didn't think to check other details so thanks for that correction. -- 109.79.160.61 (talk) 10:29, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It was confirmed that Tom Holkenborg returns to compose the film score, per source and website. LancedSoul (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding about Colleen O'Shaughnessey being billing block.
I have a feeling that Colleen O'Shaughnessey, despite that Tails is the main character, doesn't have her name on billing block for website. LancedSoul (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Why does this matter? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Its because Colleen O'Shaughnessey does NOT appear on the billing block for website, so that's my choice. I mean, look at the website. LancedSoul (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? She does appear on the website. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 23:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * According to that website, she has a starring role, but does not appear on the billing block provided. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Other actors
Tom Butler and Elfina Luk are in the movie. Should they be added to the cast? (Note that while Butler appears in the trailer, Luk has only been confirmed by one set photo) 2600:387:C:6A12:0:0:0:2 (talk) 01:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So then you’re saying the sourcing is insufficient?--CreecregofLife (talk) 02:57, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

James Ransone?
Where was it confirmed that this person is in the movie? 2600:387:F:813:0:0:0:3 (talk) 01:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Why Colleen O’Shaughnessey is not credited
The answer may be here and in this verified YouTube video. It may be worth adding. Kailash29792 (talk)  04:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Regardless we are not adding her name. Although I do have to wonder if her being credited on one of those posters would count as her being on the billing block. But I'm not going to change it since that is the WP:STATUSQUO. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 04:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't say anything about adding her name. I thought (and still think) the lack of her name on the poster is worth discussing, similar to how Danai Gurira's name was initially left out on the theatrical release poster of Avengers: Endgame. And both incidents have caused fan outcry. Kailash29792 (talk)  04:37, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see any evidence of fan outcry in the first source. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 15:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

For the record, the poster was updated to add her and Tika Sumpter. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 22:39, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll have to take your word for it since I can't view that website. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 23:48, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And now we will have to wait for a verified Twitter account to share the poster since the above poster is from an unverified account. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  06:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well Sumpter just quote-retweeted it, and the official movie account retweeted that, so that seems as good verification as we can ask for. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's another poster with her name on it. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 07:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The posters on that page don't count as being part of the billing block. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 19:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Updated poster
This link contains the updated theatrical release poster: https://www.thegamer.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-2-tika-supter-colleen-oshaughnessey-tails-voice-poster/ Just in case you might want to use it for the article. Red4Smash (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

It's the wrong one. It says "April 1" (which is apparently the UK release date) instead of "April 8".

FreezingTNT2 (talk) 00:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2022
Please erase everything in the plot. The movie hasn’t been out yet. 24.96.203.163 (talk) 19:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * See Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (film) for details on where it's released already. Also see WP:SPOILERS that we don't hide information, people are free to not read it if they haven't seen the film yet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indagate (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2022 (2)
Edit the plot! The movie hasn't even been released yet! Anonymous982364 (talk) 23:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2022
Change poster to the following: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMeH8K_XEAIPiHC?format=jpg&name=medium source: https://twitter.com/DynamoSuperX/status/1497314877731479552

This version is both higher quality and includes the names of Tika Sumpter and Colleen O'Shaughnessey TheGo2SWATking (talk) 07:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: does not comply with our image use policy. –– FormalDude  talk  08:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2022
I want to add something to the plot that I found in the movie. Ttcgifted (talk) 09:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

The Sequel Released
Hello, I’m a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, and for some reason, the movie somehow was released somewhere through the state despite it not being released till next Friday in the U.S. 216.164.255.159 (talk) 10:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, please read the Release section for its international releases that come even before its April 8 US release CreecregofLife (talk) 14:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * but for some reason, it will come out in April 21 in Saudi Arabia (my country)
 * source: https://ksa.voxcinemas.com/movies/sonic-the-hedgehog-2 Mardecayrigboi12436 (talk) 12:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

movie releasing in April 21, 2022 in Saudi Arabia
Hi, i'm Mardecayrigboi12436 and i'm Saudi Arabian and a Sonic fan. and so, while i was excited to watch Sonic 2, i checked on the local cinemas' websites and did not find Sonic 2 so when i came to the Vox Cinemas website and found the movie in the coming soon section, and realized it was coming out in April 21.

The Movie's page on Vox Cinemas

Mardecayrigboi12436 (talk) 12:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: thanks but your post but only a film's production location, and other notable release dates listed. Saudi Arabia does not seem notable. Would need a reliable source too, not a cinema Indagate (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2022
I want to edit some things, that dont have good grammer or update recent info. MaxAteAChickenNugget (talk) 03:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not an edit request. Sounds like you want a protection decrease, but there's insufficient reasoning there too--CreecregofLife (talk) 04:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Full-protection-shackle-no-text.svg Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. You have also not specified what specific things you want to be changed. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Budget Changes
I want to including $110 million in the budget & the source is already on the place (forbes) Sahil Salotra (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Why would you change it if your information is untrue? CreecregofLife (talk) 18:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not untrue. It's legit. See https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/04/10/weekend-box-office-sonic-2-races-to-record-71-million-debut/?sh=ed4b84e4bf18 ZX2006XZ (talk) 18:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * But the information is already present CreecregofLife (talk) 19:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Eggman/Robotnik
The code has this comment "PER THE SYNOPSIS, HE WILL BE GOING BY EGGMAN IN THIS FILM." What synopsis and where is it? The official web site calls him Dr. Robotnik, as do all media mentions I can find.24.59.205.200 (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * First off: the games called him Eggman in Japan but Robotnik in the US. I don't believe for a second that this film will actually call him Eggman and I fully expect that his name will continue to be Robotnik. There was an editor who thinks otherwise and insists on changing it to Eggman, and adding warning comments based on their own opinion and not any actual consensus. The current synopsis/premise section of the article is based on a submission to the US Copyright office, which happens to use the term Eggman. There is no consensus for the leap of logic that the film will also use the name Eggman but the anonymous editor is using it anyway to prognosticate about the film and insist everyone else call Jim Carey's character Eggman not Robotnik.
 * I wasn't going to bother arguing over it and only bother to explain it now so that when the film is eventually released editors can tidy away the mess. -- 109.78.200.28 (talk) 08:56, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * They did call him Robotnik in the US. Now they call him Eggman in the US as well. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:07, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * He has been known as Eggman in the US for a while. Also, if there's a copyright thing saying "Eggman" then we should go off that. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:27, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I just checked, the copyright notice (the reference used in the Premise section) and it says Robotnik too, no mention of Eggman there either. Where did you Blaze Wolf see that he was called Eggman in the US? The warning comment was flawed, not based on consensus or reliable sources. We can always wait until the film comes and fix it all then. -- 109.78.211.92 (talk) 00:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There was a synopsis on the official website previously, however it has since been removed. Also, I'm only saying he's called "Eggman" in the games in the US. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 01:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * To my surprise the Wikipedia article for the character is currently at Doctor Eggman (but it could easily have been moved there but an ultra fan). My understanding was that Robotnik was the primary name common name and that Eggman was the name used in Japan and only occasionally used in as a nickname elsewhere. I was deeply into Sonic when it came out in the '90s but perhaps things have changed. -- 109.79.162.193 (talk) 12:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * They have changed. Robotnik has been known as Eggman for a while now. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 12:03, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I checked the end credits of the first film and it clearly states "Dr. Robotnik Jim Carrey" so it still seems strange to presume anything has changed since the last film and to claim "HE WILL BE GOING BY EGGMAN IN THIS FILM" ... but again we can wait and see what the film actually says when it comes out. -- 109.79.175.86 (talk) 09:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Regarding the overall name of the character the primary work, the video games, have been exclusively using Eggman since Sonic Adventure 2 came out in June 2001 so there is next to zero chance of that article title being changed.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 16:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Along with the above, I think he may have been called Eggman in the Japanese versions of the game even earlier. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 23:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Shouldn't he be listed as just Dr. Ivo Robotnik as in the movie canon that's his name?Jamie64326 (talk) 23:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Uh... no? I'm fairly sure Sonic does call him Eggman a few times in the first film, which is why Eggman is in his name in quotes. I'm not sure if he will actually be going by Eggman in the film or not since I mainly heard him referred to as "Robotnik" in the trailers. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 23:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But sites like IMDb don't even refer to him as Eggman. Shouldn't we have it as Dr. Ivo Robotnik and then change it to Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik when otherwise stated. Also, just because Sonic refers to him as Eggman doesn't necessary mean it's his name and is more of an insult. Jamie64326 (talk) 00:23, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ya that's kinda how he got the nickname of "Eggman". Sonic pretty much just used it as an insulting nickname for him (i think that may have been confirmed by Sega at some point in the past but I'm not entirely sure). Regardless, sites like IMDb aren't reliable sources. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 00:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * With this, are you referring to the movie canon or the video game canon? Jamie64326 (talk) 01:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Video game canon. But it doesn't really matter since the movie canon is built off the video game canon (with of course a few modifications such as Sonic being adopted by an owl that got killed which to my knowledge was never in the games). And even then we go by what reliable sources are saying. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 01:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And have these reliable sources referred to him as Eggman? I know that the movie canon is based on the video game canon, but then there's the differences such as the villian called Dr. Ivo Robotnik just like the original western canon. Jamie64326 (talk) 11:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Months later, after more than few changes back and forth in the article as I write the cast section says "* Jim Carrey as Dr. Robotnik / Dr. Eggman".

I checked the end credits of Sonic 2 and (same as the first film) it reads "Dr. Robotnik JIM CARREY" and per WP:FILMCAST "All names should be referred to as credited, or by common name supported by a reliable source." So unless there is a local consensus or a WP:COMMONNAME argument to support including "Dr. Eggman" it should probably not be included at all. This being Wikipedia editors can always chose to make an exception if they really want (and it might be the easier option to appease some of the fanatics). TLDR There is no requirement to call him anything other than "Dr. Robotnik", as the character is credited in the film. -- 109.76.197.64 (talk) 00:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Critical reception
Is it worth mentioning the disconnect between the critical response and the general audience consensus? It seems that critics dislike it for the same reasons kids and fans of sonic in particular think it's excellent; e.g. focusing on the sonic characters & lore rather than the human characters and having a low runtime. Wouldn't want to seem anecdotal, so including the RT audience score along with the critical score is probably a good idea. 81.104.121.213 (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)


 * RT audience score is not a reliable source because it's user-generated so cannot be included. CinemaScore and PostTrak include audience response. Can include the disconnect you mention if a reliable source mentions there's a disconnect. Indagate (talk) 10:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:USERGENERATED content such as from other Wikis or from user voted web polls are not allowed. That includes user voted scores on sites like Rotten Tomatoes, they are simply not reliable sources, and not appropriate for use in an encyclopedia. Due to self-selection bias the audience score is in most cases going to be more positive than the critic score, and this is rarely noteworthy. In a few rare and exceptional cases if a lot of secondary sources report that there is an unusual discrepancy between the audience score, then editors might make an exception (WP:LOCALCONSENSUS) and discuss that discrepancy but even then the score itself is not the important part, it is only a way to say something about the audience response. In this case I do not think the audience score indicates anything other than "if you enjoyed the first film" you'll like this one too, and I think the box office gross already indicates that too. -- 109.76.197.64 (talk) 00:54, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Shadow Cameo
Hello! The sentence "Shadow the Hedgehog, an anthropomorphic black hedgehog who is an antihero in the games, makes a non-speaking cameo in the mid-credits scene." is underneath the voice cast section, however I feel that it doesn't really fit there as he doesn't have a voice actor in this movie. Maybe it would fit somewhere else? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed, removed. Popcornfud (talk) 13:36, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Someone added pretty much the same thing to the Plot section instead. It should not be there either: WP:FILMPLOT Mid- and post-credit scenes should generally not be included in the plot summary. -- 109.76.141.34 (talk) 14:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

WP:FILMPLOT length requirements still applies, thankfully that isn't a problem at the moment. WP:WEIGHT is also an issue, because we won't know if it is actually relevant to the franchise until the next film comes out, many mid/post credits sequences turn out to be irrelevant. (No one seems to care that WP:STREAMLINE cautions against bloating the prose by including scene transitions which pointing out mid/post credits sequences does almost every time.) I suppose so long as the plot section isn't over long it isn't the worst place to have it. -- 109.76.141.34 (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Except, if you read further it says this "Exceptions are made for these scenes if...the film is part of a franchise and the scene helps establish details for a known future film in production" which in this case it is. It's part of the Sonic the Hedgehog film franchise. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia guidelines with exceptions so big they undermine the point of the guideline almost entirely. Sigh. That guideline was introduced and then an exception was almost immediately carved out for the Marvel movies.
 * Thank you for understanding. It's probably likely that this post-credits scene will have some relevance to this movie's sequel since the post-credits scene for the previous movie showed something relating to this movie (which I think may have been a scene in this movie as well). I do agree that the length requirements still do apply (and if I see someone adding some details that are extremely trivial and probably irrelevant (such as "the car from the previous film is missing") then I will revert them). ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 16:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Conflicting sources
You have two box office sources that give completely different numbers. What is going on? BlueBlurHog (talk) 03:30, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This happens a lot. For budgets list both (so says the documentation Template:Infobox film budget). For box office gross just pick one, and use it consistently. (If it is really bad then explain the conflicting estimates in the article body in the Box office section, although it is almost never worth bothering, and there has only been one time where I thought the box office figures were so misleading that the differences needed a full explanation.) Either way there seems to be the added problem that many editors do not seem to understand the normal way to round numbers up or down.
 * The facts are not as hard was we would like and cannot be used as anything more than a guide. BOM and NUM are not half as accurate as even they would like to be. Estimates get mixed in with actual earnings (if you see figures revised down this is usually why). Figures get double reported. Figure may not be updated (Box Office Mojo has in the past repeatedly failed to make any updates to International totals, despite having made changes to the figures listed for various regions on tables below.) Hollywood accounting is notorious, the figures cannot be trusted anyway, and there are other costs such as marketing that are not declared. Only in very rare cases such as the Sony Pictures hack or the occasional lawsuit do we get more reliable figures. Even the reliable sources we use make a lot of estimates and educated guesses. We cannot, or should not, draw any conclusions about the supposed success or failure of a film and the numbers should only be used as a guide. Readers beware. -- 109.79.171.252 (talk) 19:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

$402.2 million? Where’s this coming from?
BlueBlurHog (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The figures at the time I write this:
 * The-Numbers.com $404,242,299 which rounds to $404.2 million
 * Box Office Mojo.com $401,872,904 which rounds to $401.9 million
 * Neither of those figures rounds to $405 million though which is what the article was claiming before I cleaned it up again -- 109.79.171.252 (talk) 19:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * For crying out loud ... The-Numbers revised their figures down to $404,070,550 which rounds to $404.1 million. Ugh. -- 109.78.196.150 (talk) 20:30, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * FFS, now they've revised it down again and are listing the total worldwide gross as $403,751,932 (which rounds to $403.8 million or $404 million). This time I'll wait and see if someone else fixes it. I thought only Box Office Mojo pulled these kinds of late revisions of the gross figures, I see now The-Numbers.com does it too. -- 109.76.197.94 (talk) 01:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

"Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog sequel" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Untitled Sonic the Hedgehog sequel and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 12 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

when should we add mid-credits
When Sonic 3 is released, can we add the mid credits? Dangervest69 (talk) 03:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Wait and see. Popcornfud (talk) 10:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably not even then. WP:FILMPLOT still requires brevity and relevance and still matters. -- 109.77.197.187 (talk) 22:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Hatnote
Looking at the history, I see some disagreement with the hatnote at the top of the article. I made this discussion so we can make a clear consensus on what page the hatnote should link to. Should the hatnote: <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 17:59, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Option 1: Link to both Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (disambiguation).
 * Option 2: Only link to Sonic the Hedgehog 2.
 * Option 3: Only link to Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (disambiguation).
 * Option 4: Be removed entirely.


 * Option 4 - a hatnote is not needed as page is sufficiently disambiguated. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I should note that the first search result when searching “Sonic the Hedgehog 2” on Google is this Wikipedia article (or the IMBD page). <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 18:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Option 4 - There's almost nothing of value at the dab page, as its just the 2 pages in question, and an obscure 8-bit game that is likely a very distant 3rd mostly likely to be searched item. Sergecross73   msg me  16:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Option 4 - Besides exceptional circumstances, articles with (parenthetical) titles do not need hatnotes. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Option 4 - WP:NOTAMB TarkusAB talk / contrib 23:07, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Option 4 This is not even slightly ambiguous. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2023 (UTC)