Talk:Sonya Deville

Orphaned references in Daria Berenato
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MMA Win / Loss Record for Daria Berenato
When reading her win / loss record, it goes backwards chronologically. Her first fight has a 2-1 record against, the second has a 1-1 record and her last fight shows a 0-1 record. This should be amended to run correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:D81A:F700:A4EF:EF5C:3527:9A79 (talk) 10:42, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sonya Deville
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Orphaned references in Sonya Deville
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Gay or Lesbian?
Some sources even outside wikipedia says that she is Gay or some says that she is Lesbian. There's a confusion here which should've be cleared who is she? CK (talk) 09:04, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * A female homosexual person is a lesbian. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification and Joining, Actually there are some articles on wikipedia especially Darren Young where His Personal Life section shows that his mother is gay on interview(Lady as Gay) as he said in his interview, this is also confusion, I personally discussed about various WWE LGBT wrestlers with my friend he said to me that a lady cannot be a gay as same as you replied me statement here, so HOW DARREN YOUNG'S MOTHER CAN BE A GAY?, Visit Darren Young's article. CK (talk) 11:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Gay just means homosexual, i.e. a sexual attraction to someone of the same gender. Women can and do identify as gay as well; there is absolutely no requirement for a homosexual woman to be referred as a lesbian.
 * In this case, Berenato's article states she is a lesbian because that is what the sources says. "I'm a lesbian" is the actual quote from the source Had the source said "I'm gay", then that's what we have listed. We go by sources: WP:V.
 * "there is absolutely no requirement for a homosexual woman to be referred as a lesbian."

Other than that's the definition of "lesbian". To claim otherwise just make you look foolish20:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The source for Darren Young's mother is a video, 1.5 hours long, which I have neither the time nor the inclination to watch. However, what is listed in Darren Young's article is irrelevant to what is stated here. Like I said, we go by sources. Nici  Vampire  Heart  12:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , Exactly what Nick said here. Go by the sources. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks. CK (talk) 16:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

MMA Record Should be Amateur, Not Professional
I don't know how to change this within the MMArecordbox, but the 3 fights listed for Berenato are all amateur fights, not professional, so the "Professional Record Breakdown" title is misleading. Can anyone help? ChessPlayerLev (talk) 03:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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Loser leaves WWE match
Please do not edit this article to state that Deville is no longer employed with WWE unless it is accompanied by a reliable source. Losing a "loser leaves town" match in storyline does not necessarily mean that she is no longer actually employed with the company. It could be a pretext for her taking time off for injury, other work such as acting or MMA, or personal reasons. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:19, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Gay or lesbian (again)
If you want to replace "gay" with "lesbian", then cite new sources. The current citations just use gay. There is nothing such as lesbian there.: said Deville—who is Daria Berenato, the first openly gay female wrestler in WWE history... --Mann Mann (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * By definition, a homosexual woman is called lesbian, a homosexual man is called gay. Citations misusing these terms is no reason for WP to follow suite. Also, the consensus on the talk page (see favours "lesbian". Str1977 (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * PS. Besides this, Darren Young is also called the "first openly gay wrestler in WWE". If he is that, Sonya Deville cannot be the same. Only one can be first. Finally, if it is really so unacceptable to call her a "lesbian", why then did the article say she "came out as a lesbian"? Str1977 (talk) 20:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Actually the summary of that discussion was this: we should follow what sources say. Also from article gay:
 * By the end of the 20th century and beginning of the 21st century, the word gay was recommended by major LGBT groups and style guides to describe people attracted to members of the same sex,[4][5] although it is more commonly used to refer specifically to men.[6]
 * Well into the mid 20th century a middle-aged bachelor could be described as "gay", indicating that he was unattached and therefore free, without any implication of homosexuality. This usage could apply to women too.
 * Gay: Used to describe men and women attracted to the same sex, though lesbian is the more common term for women...
 * It is not about gay vs. lesbian. Both terms are acceptable if sources use them. Homosexual women call themselves gay too. It is not as common as lesbian, but it is not someting strange or male specific. The Source say "gay female", so she is the first female homosexual person in WWE. What is unclear about it? Also, I myself added the "lesbian" part to the the article. Plus, what's the point of this discussion when you just restored your changes immediately? You said: as per talk... When did we get consensus? Let me request for comment by some active members of WPPW and users who edited this article in the past. Your thoughts? --Mann Mann (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Besides this, Darren Young is also called the "first openly gay wrestler in WWE". If he is that, Sonya Deville cannot be the same.
 * No one's saying she is. The line is first openly gay female. (Also, changing it to "first openly lesbian female" doesn't make much sense).
 * But to the main point, if the majority of the sources say "gay" then we should, too. — <i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i> (<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>) 09:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Probably safest to stick verbatim to what the sources say, unless there's a source with Deville referring to herself as a lesbian. McPhail (talk) 09:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * It's not "probably safest" to parrot the source, if it is imprecise or at least needlessly complicated. (And why safe anyway? What's going to happen if we call SD what she is.) Words do have meaning and the appropriate term is "lesbian". "female homosexual" would also be fitting but given that "lesbian" is shorter and equally precise, it is to be preferred.
 * "Gay" OTOH is a more colloquial term, if used for women. You (Mann Mann) even say yourself that it is less common than "lesbian". Shouldn't we - all things being equal - use the most common term?
 * "We should follow what the sources say" was not the summary in the previous discussion. It was just one utterance by one editor. Str1977 (talk) 06:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * While your intention is WP:GF, your changes are unsourced. They are based on your personal opinion and WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. You just replaced sourced content with your opinion. Again, cite a source that supports your changes. Gay is being less common than lesbian, does not mean that we can't use it. Gay is sourced while lesbian is not. And it is crystal clear: gay female. We are not here to make things right. We just cite sources and they should be verifiable. The referenced content must match with its citation. No original research, no personal analysis. You don't like the term gay? Then get a consensus for removing the first sentence and its two citations. I will restore the sourced version if you don't provide a reliable source with the term lesbian (it should match this part: "making her the first openly lesbian female wrestler in WWE"). For "Berenato is lesbian" part, we can cite the existing source from Sky Sports. You don't agree with me or other editors? Ask for WP:DRN, WP:THIRD, or WP:RFC. I ask for the opinion of WP:LGBT members. --Mann Mann (talk) 08:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is a question of original research. To me this reads as a copy-editing question, and "lesbian" is more readable than "gay female". Not to mention the general movement away from calling women females (there's wiki project somewhere for that). 2600:8800:7180:8D:E79:168E:6D12:86C9 (talk) 14:59, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * But female is being used as an adjective, here, and exactly zero people object to that usage, and indeed, no other word exists that can be used in its place in that context. I will note also that "female as a noun to refer to woman is offensive" does seem to be a minority opinion, and is largely backed with dubious claims about past usage. I don't think it is mainstream or a general trend.
 * That said, this entire dispute is rather silly. Gay female is fine. Lesbian is also fine. The former is NOT wrong, and the latter is NOT OR. "Lesbian female" is superfluous, though, and shouldnt be used.
 * Have a nice day :) 73.2.86.132 (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Have a nice day :) 73.2.86.132 (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Have a nice day :) 73.2.86.132 (talk) 18:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)