Talk:Sophie, Hereditary Princess of Liechtenstein

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Should a succession box be added to Sophie's page and that of her children as to them being in the line of Jacobite succession? There's one on the page of the current claimant, Franz, Duke of Bavaria. Should one go on the pages of his "heirs" as well? Morhange 20:22, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Republicanism
I lack both time and energy to look through each and every page that has statements such as the following:

"in 1973, her father was granted the title of Duke in Bavaria by HRH Duke Albrecht of Bavaria,"

That may very well be case, but it bears no meaning whatsoever. Germany and Bavaria are both republics, so I really don't see how the private dealings of families that used to enjoy privileges 90 years ago are to be presented as facts in an encyclopedia. Neither does Sophies father enjoy any rights as Duke in Bavaria, nor is his father really the Duke of Bavaria. There are no existant feudal titles in Germany. The above-quoted language however implies the existence and recognition of such titles in Germany

If one should ever come across this comment: that was me, and I have a related discussion on the article on Jacobitism. Blur4760 21:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * According to Michael Maclagan, Lines of Succession:
 * In 1965 the last of the Dukes in Bavaria, who was without heirs, adopted as his son Prince Max....
 * It was not Albrecht's to give. &mdash;Tamfang 06:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

HRH or HSH ??
Is Princess Sophie normally styled Her Royal Highness or Her Serene Highness ? Are you sure, dear wikipedia writer, that she is styled HRH even she was born Royal Highness... upon her own style, she has to adopt this of her husband I guess (by marriage). The "continental rules" are a bit different from the British ones ! And there, the article seems to be written by a British volunteer ? Je suis désolé si j'ai tort... Je suis seulement Français lol (Really sorry if I am wrong... I am just French lol ;-). Thank you very much for your "lights". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.69.180.215 (talk) 09:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Her Royal Highness ("Ihre Königliche Hoheit" in German). Two examples:
 * 1. A list of guests at the wedding of the Crown Princess of Sweden
 * 2. Patronage for a cultural event Noel S McFerran (talk) 11:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I think the use of HRH instead of HSH is worthy of discussion also. I realise that Royal Highness is a higher style than Serene Highness, however since the "higher" style of HRH technically doesn't actually exist (it's a legal fiction), surely she would opt to use Serene Highess (not snub it), since that style is real, not pretend. And isn't it a diplomatic faux pas for a friendly state to use German styles when Germany has explicitly abolished these? I understand that people in former monarchies use abolished titles socially to mark their social origins out from the regular populace, but she has a real style/title now. Her choice - or the conventions behind this matter - seem to be relevant to the article. HansNZL (talk) 11:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * She always uses Royal Highness. She is referred to as such by the website of the Princely House and is addressed as such officially. Surtsicna (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * 1. A lady retains her own style after marriage if either the marriage is morganatic (not here) or her style is higher (here the case).
 * 2. Germany is not opposed to titles, and styles, of nobility, other than forbidding the new creation of them. It treats them, officially, with indifference. Inofficially, especially in Bavaria, they are regularly used by state officials on formal occasions, and when the Archbishop of Munich addresses the Bavarian Parliament in a speech and HRH the Duke happens to be present, the speech begins with "Your Royal Highness, ...". This is not Austria.
 * 3. From a purely technical ground, while the style in Germany may be "merely societal", she has such style even officially as the (souvereign) State of Liechtenstein decides to confer on her, which was, in this case, "Royal", rather than Serene "Highness". Purely technically, the monarch of Liechtenstein is just that, a monarch; if he'd choose to be known as "king" or "emperor" and would receive the appropriate changes to the Constitution from his own people, then no matter what the rest of the world says, he would be king or emperor - one could laugh at such a move, and decry it as untraditional and opposed to the spirit of Legitimism, but from this technical point of view one could not deny the legal effect.
 * They have, of course, not chosen to do that; but they have chosen to call their Hereditary Princess with the higher style "Royal Highness".--2001:A61:20AD:501:BC0A:8993:921C:6DEB (talk) 00:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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