Talk:Sophie Ellis-Bextor

Singing accent
There's a whole lotta debate over singing accents in british music, being Sophie one of the very few examples of singers to solidly keep the speaking British accent while singing, something she's even acknowledged for. It's not about "purity" nor any other elitist discussions, it's just a question that has been put on table may times on the internet (just google it...) and had even made me spontaneously wonder about. BTW, I'm not even a native English-speaker, so this characteristic of her music is something that calls my attention, e.g., just for identifying accents and other English-learning purposes.

I believe her singing accent question doesn't even need to be referenced, as it only takes two or three lines of her singing to capture her strong british roots. It's much of a common sense matter, just like her music style in the first paragraph of the article (something that brings no reference just because it is impossible to say that the statement that her music is "a mixture of mainstream Pop, Disco, Nu-Disco, and 1980s electronic influences" isn't true).

I added the allusion to her accent yesterday, but it was removed since it was sounding like an elitist comment. Ok, I recognize that I may have written it the wrong way, but I only added a note to something strictly OBJECTIVE, which was removed because of the SUBJECTIVE impression had by one reader while checking the article.

This said, I'll be re-adding the note about her accent, trying to improve the writing, and will not be adding any reference, since, again, it's something I believe to be absolutely obvious - even for me, a foreigner whose mother language stands far away from English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.4.24.226 (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hyphen
See also the discussion on the unhyphenated (now redirect) page.

The official S E-B site has a hyphen clearly on the front/title page. There is good reason to believe that she is self-hyphenated, having been given both her parents' surnames. Therefore this should be the right page, and the unhyphenated name article should be a redirect here. Until someone can find some evidence. And I don't mean spotting the other version 'on the internet'.

Clean-up
I've added recent info, but I haven't gone for research on her latest singles yet as I was in a hole searching for info on her chart position with Circles... where can I get that info? Will edit further! --Alex¯Jon


 * Reply to above: It seems like Circles peaked at no.3 http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20370&start=50 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.168.58.147 (talk • contribs) 23:54 29 December 2005 UMT


 * That link is to some guy called Oxy's personal chart. I'm sure readers of Wiki would prefer the official UK chart position. Normally this kind of data would come from one of the external links at UK Singles Chart but they normally only have a record of the top 40. Afraid Circles bombed and wasn't commercially successful. The link in the thread gives some clues but isn't definitive --PTSE 00:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, Im sorry ;) thanks :)

Her pets
I added info about her 2 cats, who deleted it and why?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.168.58.147 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 28 December 2005 UMT


 * If you click the history tab on the article page you can see who reverted your entry. --PTSE 00:34, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Alternative rock?
Can anyone give an example of her singing alternative rock? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.65.217 (talk) 12:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Her early band Theaudience in the late 1990s was very much a part of the post-Britpop alternative rock milieu - they were mostly promoted via music weeklies like the NME and Melody Maker and radio shows like the Evening Session. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 15:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Circles & RML
Was circles released in 2004 or 2005? It says 05 in the main artcle but 04 in her discog..

"her debut album, Read My Lips (which made it to number 9 on the charts)" Her discog says that it made it to no.2! Which is right? :P thanks
 * Number 2 is correct, although this was a revised rearranged version of the album in summber 2002. It originally entered at #4 then slid downwards before having two extra tracks added and reviving up to #3 off the success of Murder On The Dancefloor.  Then it got even more rearranged in mid 2002 with the addition of two new singles plus a live Groovejet and a heavily rearranged running order and this is the #2 version.  Dunno where they got #9 from.62.190.148.115 (talk) 15:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Certifications/awards
I'm going to try to find out what songs went platinum & gold & the places they got platinum & gold in. Also their peak on the charts.

Any help would be appriciated. EDIT: Some links ive used..   

"Years active 2000- present"
I think you should include her theaudience days... like 1998? I'll chack that.. or is that her solo years active?

Peak at..?
According to: I won't change you peaked at no.4! Is it false?

"UK Singles Top 40. Date: 2004-01-04. Position: 4"

EDIT: Mixed up world peaked at no.3? 

EDIT2: Get over you @ 3 in Australia?

top40-charts.com isn't really a good sorce of information for chart positions for the UK. Lillygirl 8:37, 27 May 2006

"She has a cult following within the gay community."
Really? A cult! I don't think so.. ;)

You don't think so? I do think so. It does need referencing, though. Magic Pickle


 * she definitely does! <3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.188.148.194 (talk) 12:56, 15 July 2017 (UTC)


 * The article makes no such claim. Is it important to her personally? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Which Richard Jones?
Who of these men is the lucky one?

See:
 * Richard Jones (politician) (1638–1712), was a corrupt English politician
 * Richard Jones (cricketer) is a New Zealand cricketer
 * Richard Jones (economist), was an 19th century English economist
 * Richard Jones, MLA, was a NSW Member of Parliament
 * Richard Jones (Stereophonics) is the bass guitarist with The Stereophonics
 * Richard Jones (U.S. Ambassador to Israel)
 * F. Richard Jones (1893-1930), U.S. filmmaker
 * Richard Jones (weightlifter)
 * Richard Jones (computer hacker)
 * Richard Jones (British diplomat), a British diplomat and current Ambassador to Albania

User:Cyrruss Cyrruss 05:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * REPLY to above: Bass player for The Feeling, he used to be her bass player.


 * The has his own article: Richard Jones (The Feeling). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Birthplace
I know London and Middlesex can be said to overlap; but can we be more specific and consistent about her birthplace? Opening sentence says Middlesex; biography says London. President Lethe 01:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * We now seem to have contrasting birth places quoted in the present article as London and Coventry ! Which is correct ?


 * Derek R Bullamore 20:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * She was born in 1979; Middlesex permanently ceased to exist in 1965, so she cannot possibly have been born in Middlesex. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
This page needs some trivia. I'm going to e-mail the Sophie Online Fan Site to ask them if they are willing to donate some of their trivia to Wikipedia. - Crazy Eddy 11:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This isn't a fan site. Wikipedia should show the most relevant information about her career along with basic biographical background info. Wikipedia isn't the place for listing her pets, what colors she likes, &c. Leave the fan-site stuff to ... the Sophie Online Fan Site. President Lethe 15:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant PROPER trivia, not insignificant things that you so kindly noted. Notice that almost every other article in Wikipedia has at least one piece? Well this article doesn't. But it should. It doesn't matter anyway, that website didn't bother to reply.Crazy Eddy 16:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * They don't need to "donate" their trivia anyway. As long as they are putting the information on the web, it can be quoted and cited as a source in Wikipedia articles. wikipediatrix 19:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Move This Mountain
I looked on this article and the Read My Lips page and didn't see any chart information for "Move This Mountain". Is there any reason for this? Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 21:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I know of no other reason for the information's absence than someone's not coming along and adding it. If you have the information, or can give us a source for it, then you or one of us can add it to the article. :-) President Lethe 22:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Move This Mountain was a Double A-Side with Get Over You, where GOY charted, MTM charted I think.


 * ^^^ This. GOY/MTM made it to #3. 62.190.148.115 (talk) 15:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Is a template needed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sophie_Ellis-Bextor

Singer-songwriter?
Should it be added that she is a singer-songwriter? Beacuse she has written or co-written most of her music..
 * I'm not sure if that makes her a singer-songwriter. You don't call Gwen Stefani a singer-songwriter, and she's written or co-written most of her music. Artists who are considered to be singer-songwriters include Bob Dylan and Alanis Morrisette. Sophie Ellis Bextor isn't that sort.80.41.41.137 19:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * How about singer and songwriter? -Anthony- 02:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's fine.Nukleoptra 11:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Completely agree, she's not "singer-songwriter" - a totally diferent kind of artist - she's singer AND songwriter. I've just edited the page to correct this. 189.73.176.176 (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD (!)

 * That's ridiculous when you consider some of the articles that never get deleted. Nukleoptra 11:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Lover (Sophie Ellis-Bextor song)
Just came across this article. Could someone please deal with it as appropriate- add links in appropriate places (navbox, this article, etc) if real, and nominate for deletion if not. Thanks. J Milburn (talk) 11:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Sophie is a Gay icon!
Sophie is a Gay icon; I don't understand why some people are deleting that information, because it's true, she's a trully gay icon, and she always solds out GAY-Astoria when she's performing there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.42.13.71 (talk) 17:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That piece of info may belong in the article, but not in the second line of it. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Because it's not very interesting since every actor/singer/model can be a gay icon if they are beautiful, and there's no objective standard to say who's a gay icon or a black icon, a white women icône, etc.. Marylin Monroe, James Dean, David Bowie, Prince etc etc etc it's not mentioned on all the gay icon candidates page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:C93D:A20B:A92D:21EF (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

4th album?
Can Someone Please Clean-Up The 4th Album Information? I'd Do It Myself, But I'm Not Sure What Information Is Correct, There Are About 3 Different Release Dates In There Thanks In Advance
 * D

Where has all this infomation come from?
I've serched, but can't find a source. Chris as I am Chris (talk) 23:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, Chris. Nothing about this has been confirmed. A couple of days ago a message was posted on the offical BBS about the release of the single by a member, but it named no source whatsoever. Therefor I shall clean up this article, just like I did with the main article. Very irritating... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaz Muijlwijk (talk • contribs) 07:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Once again a load of rubish was added, got rid of it all and only left the confirmed info. Chris as I am Chris (talk) 22:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sophie Ellis-Bextor
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sophie Ellis-Bextor's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ukcharts2": From Róisín Murphy: "Chart Log UK: 1994–2006: M – My Vitriol". Zobbel.de. Retrieved 20 November 2008. From Sophie Ellis-Bextor discography: "UK Top 40 Hit Database". everyHit.com. Retrieved 24 November 2008. Note: User must define 'Name of Artist' search parameter as "Sophie Ellis-Bextor". 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

LGBT
She is in Category:LGBT rights activists from the United Kingdom and the LGBT banner on this page gives the explanation 'LGBT activist'. It needs to be demonstrated in the article that this is the case. Jim Michael (talk) 21:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 January 2012
Change "Ellis-Bextor has released on 15 June 2009 "Heartbreak (Make Me a Dancer)", collaborating with the Freemasons, becoming her 9th Top 20 hit in the UK, and a worldwide dance smash hit." to "On 15 June 2009 Ellis-Bextor released "Heartbreak (Make Me a Dancer)", collaborating with the Freemasons, becoming her 9th Top 20 hit in the UK."

"smash hit" is unencyclopaedic

89.100.150.198 (talk) 04:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I agree with you that "smash hit" is unencyclopaedic puffery, but I think the fact that "Heartbreak" was a hit worldwide is noteworthy and verifiable. Thanks for the request! Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 10:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Political activities section
In the Political activities section, should "He obtained 105,832 (4.2%) votes but failed to win a seat as he failed to obtain 5% of the vote" instead be "...but failed to retain his deposit as he failed to obtain 5% of the vote"? JezGrove (talk) 10:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Groovejet???
This paper is written and maintained by Ellis-Bextor purists, who do not want the article to mention that Sophie globally best known for the hit song Groovejet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.97.85 (talk) 07:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Which millenium?
In "the country's biggest-selling vinyl single of the millennium", which millenium? Some people think a millenium runs from, say, 1 to 1000. Some think 0 to 999. Up to date, that would be 1001-2000 or 2000-2999. In the latter case, it's unimpressive. Zaslav (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)