Talk:Sora (.hack)

Sora
No need to loose your temper. Unfortunately it is Wikipedia' policy; if it is not explicitly stated somewhere (preferably an official source -definitely not forums and such-) it can't be added to the article.Kazu-kun 05:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I made you think I was angry or something, it probably sounded like that since I crammed so many clauses into the comment space. So what is the difference between this and assuming that the silhouette in Liminality is AI-Sora?  That has never been stated officially, and although it appears to be extremely likely, for all we know it's Skeith making a fashion statement or a Wryneck Data Bug or something.  Skeith appears in the games before this scene perfectly Sora-less. - Onmyounomichi 06:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * In fact, it's not that silhouette, but the arm/hand which is shown going through some sort of transformation in the same scene. Skeith doesn't have hands, and this "transformation" is also described at the end of the .hack//ZERO novel. Also the silhouette in Liminality seems to be wearing some kind of cape or cloak, isn't it?. Now read this:


 * He was wearing some sort of cape or cloak, but it looked dirty, and was torn in places.
 * -This is a description of Sora, from .hack//ZERO, page 22.


 * With all this facts put together, it is enough to say the silhouette from Liminality is the same Sora form .hack//Zero, even if it's not explicitly stated. But in the case of Sora = Haseo, there's just an article from a recently published book; it's not enough. Any editor will tell you that much. Also what I said was "preferably an official source".


 * Ah, and let's not forget that End of The World practically says that Sora and Skeith are pretty much the same thing, so the silhouette's indentity is not really a critical subject. Sora's IRL name is. Thus it needs more verifiable references.Kazu-kun 06:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * IIRC, Macha (the phase) doesn't have hands either, but develops them, and this particular scene isn't anywhere in ZERO. And like I said, for all we know it's a Wryneck Data Bug or something, or some sort of warped Skeith clone, like the warped Aura they see. Sure, I personally am certain it's Sora/Skeith, but it's hardly stated "explicitly", and there are other possibilities.  The Sora/Haseo thing is the same.  Any other possibility is nearly impossible.


 * Also, what does being recently published have to do with it? It's there, it says what it does, and Dengeki doesn't lie, that information came from .hack Conglomerate.  Kadokawa and .hack are tied at the hip. - Onmyounomichi 07:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's like I said, Sora's IRL identity is a critical subject, thus it need more confirmation. That thing in Liminality is a different matter, as Skeith and Sora are basically the same, so whether he was in "skeith mode" or "sora mode" at that time is not a critical subject, so if it is hinted in more than one media, and other sites share the same view, that's enough. But material that is likely to be challenged needs more verification, in accordance with WP:REF. You even have Unison against the Haseo = Sora theory; definitely a case where you need more verifiable sources.


 * All this remind me I should start to add footnote-citations on this article; I will do it later (you can help if you want).Kazu-kun 15:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The policy states that information likely to be challenged requires a credible source, not multiple ones on the order of how likely it is to be challeneged, since that's just silly. How is Unison not explained?  There's an AI Sora running arouns after the games, not to mention BlackRose's seemingly non-novel presence in The World contradicts the emails in G.U., which make it clear that she stopped playing The World for at least some period after the games, making it even possible that Unison is non-canon from the G.U. perspective. Either way, if the only Sora in The World you see after you beat the games is an AI, concluding that the one in Unison is the original seems more like the assumption to me. - Onmyounomichi 18:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

AI?
"Sora does not appear as a playable character in the game, but instead an AI that's taken on his mannerisms and appearance, alongside similar copies of Tsukasa and Subaru, join your list of contacts as a reward at the end of Quarantine."

Are we sure of this? I was under the impression that while the Tsukasa and Subaru characters were indeed AI copies, both Sora and Helba were the real players. I'm fairly sure I read that somewhere, in a source I considered to be trustworthy, but at the moment, I can't remember where... does Quarantine (or another source) outright state that the Sora character is also an AI? Hossenfeffer 17:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sora is indeed an AI in the games, since according the G.U. Perfect Guide, Ryou Misaki lost all memories of The World after waking up from his coma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.71.199 (talk) 01:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)