Talk:Soukaigi

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Title: Soukaigi or Shōkaigi
It seems that the title has been changed from Soukaigi to Shōkaigi, but I believe this is incorrect. (As a disclaimer, I must say that I am not a native Japanese speaker and do not know very much Japanese at all.) However, both the Japanese version of this page as well as the Gamespot page spell the title as Soukaigi (そうかいぎ). Also, this dictionary does not list "shō" as any of the readings for first kanji of the title, 双, though I am not quite sure whether that constitutes a valid source for this kind of thing. Perhaps a mistake was made in the romanization as ou/ō. Regardless of the "ou" or "ō," the Japanese sounds "sho" (しょ) and "so" (そ) are entirely different. I propose that the title (and all references to the game's name) be changed back to "Soukaigi" (or "Sōkaigi"), but it would be helpful to see what a native Japanese speaker says about it first. 130.85.223.220 (talk) 07:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thx for pointing out that. If you're interested, you can find more information about Japanese romanization policy/guideline of Wikipedia in Manual of Style (Japan-related articles).

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Shōkaigi → Sōkaigi —Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 08:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Support. It is clearly "Sōkaigi". The earlier unexplained renaming to "Shōkaigi" seems to have been purely a misunderstanding (typo?) by one editor. --DAJF (talk) 12:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as obviously misspelt. Not controversial at all. 86.6.193.43 (talk) 22:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
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Requested move 3 March 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) samee  converse  22:05, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Sōkaigi → Soukaigi – When searching for references to the title, I found the spelling "Soukaigi" to be more common. Plus, most existing articles that link to the page use the old spelling. The original discussion about a page move was due to it being given the incorrect title "Shōkaigi". ProtoDrake (talk) 09:23, 3 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I think most likely that is simply a mispelling. The official name seems to be that of the current title. I understand the need for WP:COMMONNAME, but only in cases where the original title, such as here is much less used. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose in English long o is spelled with macron not ou. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. The opposes are incorrect, there's no misspelling. It's just a different romanization method, so it's a matter of what is used more often in English-language sources, which appears to be Soukaigi. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 14:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * We're not going to get serious WP:RS English-language sources for what is a wholly Japanese language product for the Japanese market. The screen even displays scores in Japanese characters. So stick with en-WP Japanese norms. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate your position, there are multiple reputable sources (1,2, 3, 4, 5 6) that use the "Soukaigi" version, and far fewer (1, 2) that use the "Sokaigi/Sōkaigi" version. I looked for both spellings to see which was more common in both archive and contemporary sources, and opened this discussion based on my findings. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:32, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Something extra. The Sony-published arrange album SQUARE ENIX BATTLE TRACKS Vol.2 SQUARE 1996-1998 has English titles on the front, and one of them is this game spelled as Soukaigi. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:29, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


 * There's obviously need for more discussion here. But I think editors should give clear examples of sources rather than just making bare assertions, this would really help the eventual closer of this discussion. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - As the common spelling. The title 双界儀 spelled in hiragana is そうかいぎ. These letters individually are interpreted as "so-u-ka-i-gi" in English. The whole word can be romanized as either Sōkaigi or Soukaigi. Both of these writings are acceptable, the long vowels can be interpreted either way. Since Soukaigi is used in more sources like Proto demonstrated above, the article should be listed under that title. TarkusAB talk 09:29, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, the developer Yuke's uses this name too. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 09:36, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per Lordtobi. It's also more natural to type in English regardless. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2019 (UTC)


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