Talk:South Africa national cricket team/Archive 1

Sections
This article is dying for a breakdown into clear cut sections - but I dont feel up to it just yet! anyone? Tyhopho 21:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Turns out I was up to it :-) Look forwrad to seeing what anyone else makes of what Ive started with. Tyhopho 17:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The Name?
Did the cricket team been called the Springboks during the past? Dr.Poison 00:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Before 1991, and yes, that deserves a mention in the article. Tintin (talk) 05:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I was sure they were known as the Springboks in the 1992 World Cup and became the Proteas only in about 1993, though I can't find anything online to support that, nor am I South African.Thedangerouskitchen 10:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Okeay; I'm not saying that it shouldn't be mentioned. But shouldn't be mentioned that it was called bye that name before 1991? Dr.Poison 11:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * True, in the World Cup in 1992, they were still the Springbucks (not Springboks, please!). The South African rugby and cricket teams were officially known as the Springbucks (in English) and the Springbokke (in Afrikaans). It's a misnomer that they were the Springboks. Igitur za 15:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Why are they called the Proteas?82.5.50.61 23:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They are called Proteas because the Protea is any African shrub with rigid leaves and a cone shaped, dense coloured head.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marrakkew (talk • contribs) 12:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Flags and stuff
What flag to use on articles, e.g. Reggie Schwarz since there were three flags:


 * None 1889 (date of first test) -1910
 * [[Image:Flag_of_South_Africa_1910-1912.svg|25px]] 1910-1928
 * [[Image:Flag of South Africa (1928-1994).svg|25px]] 1928-1991
 * [[Image:Flag of South Africa.svg|25px]] 1991-present

Also in the infobox, which abbreviation to use since SA did not becom a republic until 1961 (and then what to do if careers overlapped)? &mdash; Dunc|&#9786; 14:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Current flag, as per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket/archive2 Tintin (talk) 14:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * By the same logic, RSA should be used for all eras, though you can ask for opinions in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket Tintin (talk) 14:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Quota comment
"Due to a racial quota policy, the side now contains coloured players, unlike the past"

Suggests (to me anyway) that the only reason that the side contains coloured players is because of quota system. This is blatently false. I am not defending quota systems (because I am heavily opposed to them) however the remark seems awefully out of place. Paul Hjul 10:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. I think the quota system, and any controversy surrounding it, needs to be addressed in the article, but not in this way. Andrew nixon 10:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

sorry, don't know how to post this properly, but describing nasser hussain as the "then-english captain" is wrong; the hyphen placement suggests that nasser was english, but is not any longer

The Hansie scandal
AFAIK, Hansie was charged with accepting money and in return to provide match information (e.g. pitch condition) to the bookies, not to lose the match!? --Igitur za 15:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"England eventually won the match and the series, but the decision was applauded for increasing the chance of a result, instead of a draw." England won the test, but not the series... England's first Test victory in post-Ap South Africa came under Vaughan.

2006 world record one day chase "Greatest One-Day" ever

 * "This game is considered by many to be the greatest One-Day International ever played." The 1999 world cup semifinal is more commonly considered the greatest game of all time. While people may debate whether the 2006 run fest versus a game full of twists and turns is more watchable, the world cup match was clearly much more important, both in terms of the value of the tournament, and on the subsequent pyschological damage inflicted on the SA team (referred to earlier in the article". Ozbrettdj 15:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Chokers?
I think the mentioning the word 'chokers' in the introductory paragraph of this article an objective point of view borders on slander. Many great sporting teams have been branded as chokers at some point or another.

The chokers reference should be altogether removed from this article.

Zamelo 13:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The SA cricket side is not a great sporting team. Five of the eight major cricket playing countries have won the world cup, a sixth (England) has contested 3 finals. Only New Zealand and SA have failed to progress to a world cup final. Which makes the label best team to have never won the world cup a little silly. Unlike NZ, SA have continoulsy self imploded, and like it or not they wear the 'chokers' tag - spend a little time at cricinfo if you believe this is undeserved. Ozbrettdj 01:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Clearly Ozbrettdj has some grudge or thing aganst the SA cricket team. Just look at the ICC rankings for the last decade or more, and you will see that South Africa have always been well above New Zeeland in both test and one day cricket. In fact, they have almost always in the top four places, while New Zeeland has seldom been there. unsigned comment added by 94.0.252.173 (talk) 22:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

This reference should be removed altogether. It's a subjective claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.74.179.98 (talk) 10:52, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Shirt numbers in the table
In the table in the section "Personnel", shirt numbers are given which do not correspond to the numbers worn by the players in the recent Test series, where e.g. Amla wasn't wearing "1". Are they possibly ODI shirt numbers? Whatever they are, this needs clarification. Maybe there needs to be a separate column for each series of numbers. --TraceyR (talk) 23:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

In test matches, players have no jerseys numbers, only cap numbers. These numbers represent the order in which players represent their country. An SA players number tells you that he is the Xth player to play test cricket for SA since re-admission. The numbers shown in the S?N column, are the numbers that the players wear in T20s and ODIs, they chose them for themselves. Crazydude22 (talk) 19:01, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Slow bowlers
I see that the section in the table for "Spin bowlers" has been changed to "Slow bowlers". Shouldn't there be separate sections for "Spin bowlers" (for those who turn the ball) and "Slow bowlers" (for Harris)? This isn't meant ertirely facetiously, because he gets quite a few wickets without turning the ball - is he double-bluffing the batsmen? --TraceyR (talk) 23:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The one legged Norwegian
Maybe they wanted him on the team, because he fights like a Norwegian. Does anyone have the story on him?--85.164.222.55 (talk) 00:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)