Talk:South Bronx

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Robert Moses
This article should link to Robert Moses and his construction of the Cross Bronx Expressway. This project ultimately evicted over a quarter of a million residents from their homes in the projected pathway of the road and cut off the southern part of the borough from the culture of the other parts. This separation directly caused the poverty of the neighborhood (and influenced the poverty of Harlem).

J-t-m 01:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The Cross Bronx Expressway cut through East Tremont, not the South Bronx. The Bronx was already beginning to suffer from white flight and poverty at the time, and East Tremont was actually viewed as relatively stable. I suppose you could argue that the Cross Bronx Expressway pushed the South Bronx northward, but at the time, East Tremont was not the same as Melrose or Mott Haven to the south. Alexisr (talk) 17:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would argue that--that in a way, the Expressway caused the expansion of the South Bronx, if the defining characteristic of the area is it's poverty, etc. And isn't characterizing the Cross Bronx as "a part of Robert Moses’s urban renewal project for New York City" very much POV? Especially considering that in the next sentence, it's written that it's "ironically" thought to have contributed to the borough's subsequent decay? ( That you call "renewal"?!?!?) There was nothing ironic about that; Moses famously held that cities were for traffic, and he seemed not to give a tinker's damn about the people who lived in them. MarkVolundNYC (talk) 19:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Notable natives
Please cite reliable sources showing that the individuals on this extensive list have lived in the Bronx. --JKeene (talk) 03:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed POV
I changed a few words to remove POV about grafitti in Bronx. Previous writer referred to NYC crackdown on grafitti as a "war on the arts", clearly intended to provoke pro-grafitti, anti-Police sentiments. I reworded the phrasing to reflect a: the crackdown only applies to *illegal* grafitti, and b: a crackdown on illegal activity is not a "war" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.199.97 (talk) 02:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Notable Native, Majora Carter designation
majora carter's designation was changed from "MacArthur Fellow and Founder, Sustainable South Bronx" to "green economic consultant". The former is verifiable and finite; while the later is ill-defined and not verifiable. for these reasons, i have changed it back.--believe me (talk) 04:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The former is your attempt at publicity, the latter is the description of Majora Carter taken from her own website and which can be seen by Googling her name:

Majora Carter Group: Home The Majora Carter Group is a green-economic development consulting firm. MCG builds relationships between organizations and across sectors to remediate ... Contact - BIO - Speaking www.majoracartergroup.com/ - 16k - Cached - Similar pages -

PLEASE stop using Wikipedia as a publicity vehicle for your client/wife. What you are doing is against Wikipedia policy and you can be banned from editing for it. See: FAQ/Organizations Thank you. Drawn Some (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that Majora carter is not known for the Majora Carter Group (and, therefore, being a consultant), but rather for founding Sustainable South Bronx and her other environmental activism. -- Irn (talk) 21:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, irn, no, the problem is that comments by the names for 90% of the listings clarify their residence or birtth in the Bronx, except for a couple of stray entries, mostly rappers, that may also need to be cleaned up. If they are notable residents and have an article they don't need their awards listed here.  In fact, none have any awards listed, only a couple even have their occupations listed, the stray entries mostly of rappers. Admittedly Majora Carter is not notable in the same way Al Pacino is so I can see that her occupation might need to be listed so I left that when I removed the P.R. copy but I see I should not have inserted it because it has raised such a ruckus. These disruptions by Givechase need to stop and I would appreciate it if you took a step back to see the clear conflict of interest. Thanks. -Drawn Some (talk) 06:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Your comment about the exact residence misses the point. In lists of people across wikipedia, you’ll notice that they include brief explanations of the individual’s notability in addition to the person’s relation to the article (here, residence information; in school articles, year of graduation; etc.). -- Irn (talk) 18:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Fort Apache
The Fort Apache section should be noted. Badagnani (talk) 16:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Formatting in Notable Natives section
Is it just me or does this part of the article look like ass? What's with the random boxes. What happened there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.74.34 (talk) 12:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

"the bronx is burning"
howard cosell never said it. see http://bestblog.mlblogs.com/archives/2007/08/did_howard_cose_1.html. this part of the article should be taken out. THEMlCK (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and re-worded that bit so that we aren't also repeating the claim that Cosell originated the phrase. However, I think the widespread attribution of it to Cosell is notable, but more importantly, the link you provide is a blog, and not a WP:RS. -- Irn (talk) 13:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Map
The map excludes Soundview and Castle Hill, but the lead of the article includes them. We need to make this consistent. ScottyBerg (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added "The actual boundaries are undefined" to the caption. Feel free to tweak - unofficial, approximate, etc. Station1 (talk) 04:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I was a South Bronx firefighter during the 70's and we did indeed respond into fires to find people sitting on their packed suitcases ready to be relocated. By burning their building they moved to the head of the line for a better apartment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.208.213 (talk) 22:11, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

None of the references in the "Boundaries" section provide support that Soundview or Castle Hill are part of the South Bronx. Both Soundview and Castle Hill are actually part of the East Bronx. The South Bronx article should be updated to correct this. HugoHelp (talk) 20:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

The term South Bronx is a dated and less geographic than it is socioeconomic. Geographically Soundview and Castle Hill are located in the southern section of the East Bronx but have similar demographics to areas in the southern section of the West Bronx. The socioeconomic South Bronx has long extended far past the West Bronx and Fordham Road. There was white flight, more limited arson, high rates of violent crime, and other extreme prevalence of social problems in areas like Soundview and Castle Hill during the 1970s and 1980s. Same goes for some communities north of Fordham Road such as Bedford Park.98.113.216.214 (talk) 04:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

"Fixer"? "Finisher"?
'A type of sophisticated white collar criminal known as a "fixer" sprung up during this period, specializing in a form of insurance fraud that began with buying out the property of redlined landlords at or below cost..' 'Many finishers became extremely rich buying properties from struggling landlords..'

So which is it? Harfarhs (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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The sites referenced from 8-12 are outdated and every time I click the link it redirects me to another page. I will modify this to change the URL so that it is updated. I will keep this talk page updated with the new references that I exchange for. AshleyM18 (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Reference number 13 is also slightly sketchy as when you click the link, it seems to lead to an advertisement that does not contribute to the article. Is it fine to delete it? AshleyM18 (talk) 18:58, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Introduction
Due to the introduction being so cut short and lacking the information of the entire article, I will be making some edits to it to successfully show what will be throughout the article. AshleyM18 (talk) 06:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)