Talk:South Carolina/Archive 1

2002
Wondering how to edit this State Entry? The WikiProject U.S. states standards might help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maveric149 (talk • contribs) 21:12, September 28, 2002

2005
The 5 largest ancestry groups in South Carolina are African American (29.5%), American (13.9%), German (8.4%), English (8.4%), Irish (7.9%). I find this to be misleading. Am I to read this to mean that most of the states population is first generation immigrants? Or does "American" mean American Indian? I'm sure neither are correct. It might not be intentional, but the statement could be interepreted to mean that other groups are less American than uncategorized caucasians. (I'm assuming that's what this group is) --Tydaj 15:27, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Need more info on this state... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

I believe American refers to ppl on cencuses who list their ethnicity/race as "American" Vital Component- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vital Component (talk • contribs) 08:36, June 21, 2005

I'd love to see more on post-Civil War history and a narrative description of the state culture and people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

please add universities in sc. thanks. [DanteDanti] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Additions, Updates and continued Expansion
Added some more notable figures to the Famous People section. I will put them in chronological order at a later date. I will continue editing this article over the couple of weeks with any relevant information that may help expand it. If you have any suggestions, please leave a comment. --Coldbourne 23:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Ex-model/actress Lauren Hutton, actor Will Patton, (Armageddon, Gone in Sixty Seconds, Remember the Titans) and Mabel King ("Mama" from What's Happening) were all born in Charleston. Ann Savage, femme fatale in the 1945 cult film noir Detour, was born in Columbia. They should all be added to the Famous People section.

Christian Exodus link
I do not believe that the Christian Exodus link listing is appropriate for this page. For one, it does not stand as an official representation of the state of South Carolina or state government. It is more of an "advertisement" for a group that actually has no roots in SC, and is the vision of one man who doesn't even live here! If we allow this link, then we could theoretically allow any other organization that simply mentions "South Carolina" on its webpage to be listed here. This is different than listing an organization that has a state-recognized presence in SC, such as for civic organizations (fraternities, sororitites, etc.), charities, religious organizations, political parties, etc. Thus, I do not see how this listing is justified as it has no formal, official, or recognized connection to the state of South Carolina. Akhenaton06 07:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that this link does not belong on this page. I could see an article on the organization (with this same link), I could see a mention of the org in the SC article (with a link to the article about the org), but the website itself is just not central to the SC article, and doesn't belong there. I have removed the link again, pending a convincing counter-argument. -- Mwanner | Talk 15:53, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

2006
I fixed the vandalization that took place by the user 68.220.75.52 by reverting back to the previous version. Traced the IP to a Bellsouth.net server in Atlanta, but that is as far as I looked. Obviously I have not got around to doing much with this page after all, but to everyone who has contributed, it looks great. Coldbourne 19:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

South Carolina
I wanted to bring to someone's attention the fact that the average temperatures in South Carolina in the "Climate" section are wildly off. I think that only Hell averages 190°F in the summer. I don't think the temperatures are meant to be Celsius either. Since I know very little about South Carolina, perhaps someone with more knowledge should address this. It needs to be brought to someone's attention that 'Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson' is not the largest metropolitan area in South Carolina- mainly because it's not a metropolitan area. The U.S. Census Bureau just released its metropolitan area data for 2000-2006 (see USA Today- Thursday, April 5, 2007), and Greenville and Spartanburg are two seperate metropolitan area entities as defined by the U.S. Government (and neither include Anderson, as well). I know it's a popular myth in South Carolina to think of the two areas as one, but this is not how it is defined. Areas like Dallas-Fort Worth are defined as metropolitan areas because they have virtually always been fully grown together by large suburbs with a sense of continuity between one area to another. If you traveled to DFW today, save for the skyscrapers, you'd have trouble figuring out where any one city ends and another begins.
 * Thanks for pointing that out... someone must have vandalized it. I restored the old temperatures. --Garrepi 00:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Greenville, Spartanburg, and Anderson are grouped together by the U.S. Census Bureau as part of the Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson Combined Statistical Area, with a 2006 population of 1,203,795.

Famous People
Just wanted to let you know that Tennessee Senator Bob Corker is originally from Orangeburg, South Carolina —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.215.127.74 (talk) 15:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

NPOV

 * See Tennessee article for issues. --Bookofsecrets 15:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have updated the lead paragraph to read "Southeastern" and I removed the NPOV tag. --Bookofsecrets 19:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

WARNING: odd editor on the loose denies SC was Southern
He claims "Southern" is NPOV and tries to remove it from all the southern states. Bookofsecrets relies on a road map for his evidence. Watch out for damage here. Rjensen 22:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In all fairness to bookofsecrets, there appears to be an opinion on this site that the words "South" or "Southern" implies a negative connotation. I happen to be a resident of South Carolina, and am certainly not offended by either word.  I've often been referred to as a Southerner, and have never found reason to take offense.  If others are offended by this term, I must suggest that perhaps you are offended by very trivial things.  I don't mind the word Southeastern either, since geographically speaking, it's probably more accurate.  In the continental US, "South" could mean Florida as well as California, and anywhere in between.Kf4mgz 07:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Confederate States
South Carolina did NOT leave the union and immediately form the CSA. First, it was briefly (if my knowledge from 8th grade South Carolina history class hasn't failed me) its own republic. I'll find a citation, but the way the introduction portrays this is misleading. --Chuchunezumi 19:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You are correct. South Carolina passed an Ordinance of Secession on December 20, 1860.  The Confederate States of America was formed in Montgomery, Alabama on February 4, 1861, when delegates of the seven seceding states met.  The Constitution of the Confederate States of America was not adopted until March, 1861.  The intro could be clarified in some way.  Carolinian 21:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to know why the term "Cackalacky or South Cackalacky" appears on this site. I have never heard this term used in general to describe the state. I notice it's absent from North Carolina's site. I've heard the word "Californicate" as a description of the great state of California as well, but I doubt that the word has any place on its site on Wikipedia. 4.255.211.56 23:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Point made. I removed the nonsense. I've also heard of Pennsylvania called Pennslobbovia... Pollinator 03:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I notice that someone continues to think that "South Cackalacky" is important enough to include in an encyclopedia entry. I will refer again to the above entry by the ip. I am removing this term again, and encourage the person that persists on thinking that posting this term on a site that is used for educational purposes to think a little more carefully. Kf4mgz 01:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Important Cities
Would anyone object to changing this simply to list the five largest cities by population? That seems more encyclopedic in approach. Otherwise, one has to ask, why are these cities important? --Chuchunezumi 21:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the cities listed should have some notable importance. The cities that come to mind are Columbia, Charleston, Greenville, Spartanburg and Myrtle Beach. I'm lead to wonder why Aiken is even on the list? There are things which make cities important besides population, such as Cowpens and the Revolutionary War battle there, and Myrtle Beach which is a nationally recognized tourist destination. Perhaps beside each city on the list, there should be a short sentence detailing "why" that city is important? Carolinian 22:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I added Aiken simply to provide geographical diversity. Rock Hill should be included as one of the five largest cities in SC.  I would argue that Spartanburg should be omitted, as its relevence ends at being a county seat.  Florence is notable as one of the seats of the U.S. District Court in South Carolina, but otherwise could be omitted.  I agree that unless it is edited to be simply the largest cities, there should be a short explanation of each.  --Chuchunezumi 22:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Spartanburg perhaps should be omitted as you said. Spartanburg is only a semi-important city in the Upstate region, due to certain industries located in the county, such as BMW and Milliken.  The primary three cities that I see as being important are Charleston, Columbia, and Greenville, which would make the list reguardless because of their size.  Like I said before though, I'm not sure that cities should be excluded based on low populations, as long as their importance is noted.  Perhaps then we should move forward with discriptions, since we both agree?  Carolinian 23:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree... I think if we add brief descriptions we will be better equipped to determine which cities belong on the list. Garrepi 04:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Besides theres nothing to do in Aiken.

Aren't the five largest cities as follows?: Columbia, Charleston, Greenville, Spartanburg, Rock Hill, Florence? I'm not sure, but that's what I think; if so, this would warrant Spartanburg's inclusion. How about a list of top ten cities by population? Not sure where to find this, maybe sciway.net (full disclosure: my husband works for sciway.net) Tuckerma 21:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The top 10 cities are: Columbia, Charleston, North Charleston, Greenville, Rock Hill, Mount Pleasant, Spartanburg, Sumter, Hilton Head Island, and Florence. That according to 2000 Census information. Gamecock 00:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Reorganization
How would people react to me making a few changes in the page's organization? I think the initial description of the state should be a brief overview of the state as it exists today (industries, exports, political inclinations, etc). The secession remark is unnecessary as it is already described in in the History section. I also think the unofficial nickname "cackalacky" can be included in the introduction as an aside instead of having its own section. Furthermore, the list of famous South Carolinians is probably large enough to move to its own page. Without moving it, the SC page would become way too long once the transportation, history, and education sections are expanded. Garrepi 05:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

New Image Availability
While beginning work to S.C. Rep. Ralph Norman's page, I emailed the webmaster at http://www.scstatehouse.net/, the official website of the South Carolina General Assembly, for image permission information. According to the webmaster, all images on the website are public domain per South Carolina law. For specific information, please see my notes on the licensing information for Image:Ralphnorman.jpg. Anyway, the point is that Wikipedians interested in South Carolina now have the photographs of every state legislator for use, and perhaps a few other images as well. --Chuchunezumi 23:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hispanic Growth
No offense to anyone, but I live in South Carolina and I feel that something about the hispanic population here should be added to the page. Something like the explosive numbers of Mexican's and Guatemalan's immigrating to this state in search of jobs and security? --Thanks--


 * I agree that this is an area which deserves consideration. Cheers!  Chuchunezumi 00:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. The Hispanic population of SC is considerable, and if anyone has any data with sources on this matter, I'd like to see what you can contribute.Kf4mgz 07:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The US Census bureau says 3.3%, but Hispanic leaders and others say the number is higher. A lot came for peaches, tobacco, and nursery and vegetable crops, but more and more are involved in construction and other industry. The Hispanic population in the Myrtle Beach area has been rapidly increasing, mostly due to construction jobs. Pollinator 15:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I added an update to the demographic section with references from the University of South Carolina's Arnold School of Public Health, Consortium for Latino Immigration Studies. MoodyGroove (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Population Rank
According to this, South Carolina's the 25th most populous state. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.129.247.128 (talk • contribs).

Dec 2006 Vandalism
There has been a fair amount of recent vandalism, not all of which was remedied by reverts. I therefore reverted the article back to a version of 6 Dec, then added back in the text of an intermediate good edit to the Cities section. It appeared to me that the other edits (now removed by my reversion) were redundancies, vandalism or nonsense; my apologies if I overlooked anything. Kablammo 17:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

2007
72.236.57.67 19:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)South Carolina also has the Saluda River.72.236.57.67 19:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

alchohol laws section?
Why is there a section on SC alcohol laws? Doesn't seem like encyclopedic material. In any case, at least change it to "blue laws" and discuss how it affects other purchases, store hours, etc. Perhaps the poster had an axe to grind. Tuckerma 21:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Patron Saint Section
I didn't see any source cited, nor any evidence, and history directly contradicts mary being the "patron saint" of the U.S., as the U.S. has been a secular state based off christian values forever. Whomsoever posted such nonsense might wish to qualify it as the "catholic church of the united states" not the government itself as it sounds like in the original article. As is, I parsed it down to what was relevant and could be accurate. And frankly I'm sick to discover that South Carolina has "dioscese" popery within the state, let alone its oldest city. 18:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Education Section
I think that the current Education section contains too many details about individual schools. It might be appropriate to have one or two schools with info if they are THAT important, but probably it ought to be more like Tennessee or Vermont where they either list schools or talk about general information for education, not school specific, since the school specific info is likely in that school's article. Please let me know your thoughts so that a change can be made if needed. -- Whereizben - Chat with me 15:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

liquor laws
There is a large serious literature on liquor issues in SC. We do not need unsourced folklore or urban legends about bartenders of yesteryears, nor summaries of the statutes. It's not encyclopedic and does not help any sober users. I added some serious material about the long history of prohibition and state stores. Rjensen 22:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated liquor laws section - it formerly discussed "alcohol sales" hours in general terms, however there are distinct rules for retail liquor sales, as opposed to beer and wine sales. Also removed the paragraph pertaining to the required display of the "red dot", as this requirement was abolished in 1997. HeyFK (talk) 15:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Cities and Towns
In the summary table at the bottom of the article, there are lists of cities and towns. Many of the "towns" are cities. There is a legal definition. We have suitable (but possible incomplete) List of cities in South Carolina and List of towns in South Carolina. Why should these inaccurate lists be replaced in the table with the lists that we have. This would be more accurate and avoid the favoritism and arbitrariness of the current table. KudzuVine 23:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture Formatting
Is it just my browser or are several of the pics in this article not formatted correctly? they appear on my browser to be covering sections of the text. If this is an issue with the article, not my browser can someone with more familiarity with adding pics to articles fix this? Thanks - Jirt 03:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Unidentified place-names
Someone mentioned there is a Baton Rouge, South Carolina, and Google Maps does indeed geolocate this near Chester, South Carolina. There appear to be other place-names in the area, such as Sandy River, South Carolina, and Leeds, South Carolina, which Google maps shows but which do not have Wikipedia articles. It looks like these places may only have a few houses each. Are these unincorporated areas, or are they sections of incorporated cities and towns? Are they mentioned in U.S. census data? (I'm wondering if there was some glitch in importing them.) It seems to me it would be worth listing recognizable place-names on county or municipal articles in a systematic fashion, state-wide. Though I'm not sure which counties the above-listed places belong to; there are no county maps on the county articles I checked. -- Beland 16:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Higher Education
Can someone please add Wofford College to the list of higher education, if furman is there it must certainly be worth mention and it is older than clemson. Use the Wofford website for information www.wofford.edu Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mccluresm (talk • contribs) 11:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I second the suggestion to add Wofford College to the list of places of higher education. There is plenty of information on the website www.wofford.edu.  Agreed, if there is mention of the other schools, then there is equal justification for such publication of Wofford College on this site.

Governorship
The section about governor's terms mentions the change to 4 year terms, but there is no mention of the 6-year, single term period, Gov. McNair was an example. Were there no others, because the list doesn't show any others with a 6-year term? I thought we had that law for a while. Also, the list shows someone as the first governor elected to a 4-year term, but others with 4-year service preceded him. Were they *appointed*?Hotshot1a (talk) 16:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, if the Governor-elect is temporarily disqualified from taking the oath of office, would the newly elected Lieutenant-Governor become Acting Governor? In addition, after the Governor-elect becomes qualified, would he be able to be inaugerated(with the Acting Governor's position being reverted to Lieutenant Governor?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anglius (talk • contribs) 05:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC).


 * If the Governor-elect is unable to take office on inaguration day, then the Lt. Governor-elect becomes Governor for a full term. There is not an "Acting Governor" position in South Carolina, if the Governor is temporarily unable to perform his duties then the Lt. Governor is given the powers of the Governor while remaining Lt. Governor. Gamecock 17:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your information, sir. I was rather confused by "List of Governors of South Carolina"(which mentioned "acting governor" a few times.)--Anglius 03:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. Changed. Gamecock 18:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

June 2007 Furniture Warehouse Tragedy?
The "June 2007 Furniture Warehouse Tragedy" section seems better suited for a newspaper article rather than an encyclopedia article. I think it should be removed. -- JHunterJ 20:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

"Free South Carolina Republic" link appropriate?
I just noticed the link to the "Free South Carolina Republic" website. Is this sort of thing really appropriate for a Wikipedia article? I'm not well-versed in Wikipedia policy, but I thought that someone else might. Dunkelweizen 22:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I too am new to Wikipedia policy, but this link seems totally inappropriate. Much to one-sided for an encyclopedia Rocketmaniac 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Lakes of South Carolina
There is no section for the lakes of South Carolina. Between Lake Murray and Lake Marion alone, there is over 160,000 areas of water. Rocketmaniac 10:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Largest Metro area
I'm sorry to disappoint who ever put Columbia as the largest metro area is wrong, the largest metro area in SC is Metro Greenville with a population of over a million. While Columbia is the largest city, it is not the largest metro. Iamanadam 03:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are there 2?
The article mentions in a single sentence that in 1712, The Carolinas split into two, but the article should treat this in some detail. Why did this occur? Tempshill 23:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Free South Carolina Republic????
Why is there an external link to such a biased or radical website? How does it improve the South Carolina article? Rocketmaniac (talk) 19:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have removed that link. First, it generates .dll errors to both Firefox, and IE, and causes either browser lockups or infinite loops to some who visit, not to mention a possible security issue. Second, it is inappropriate for Wikipedia. It gives blatantly false information to the readers, accusing the US of "occupying" South Carolina ("South Carolina is an occupied country") and calling SC a country. This is inappropriate for readers who are from other countries, who may know nothing about the US or what a state is, and is not in line with the external links guideline: Sites to be avoided: "Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research. See Reliable sources for explanations of the terms "factually inaccurate material" or "unverifiable research"." "Any site that attempts to surreptitiously install malware on a visitor's computer." (.dll errors are sometimes indicative of these attempts.) Ariel  ♥  Gold  21:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The Big Show
I took out him being active on the ECW brand and put in former professional wrestler since hes quit since about 1-2 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.196.50 (talk) 05:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Famous people from South Carolina
The list of famous people from South Carolina in this article seems way too long to me. I think it actually detracts from the article by being so big. Perhaps it can be cut down, or maybe split into a separate article. Deli nk (talk) 18:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Until you said something about it, I really hadn't looked at the size of that section. I think you are right. I'd say that we (any editor willing to do the work) leave the 6-8 most famous and move the rest to a separate article. The 6-8 that are left need to be from different groups, ie a doctor, an athlete, a singer etc. Will you tackle the job of creating the separate article for us? Also, just to let you know, I've created a Portal:South Carolina and I sure could use to help improving it. Rocketmaniac (talk) 14:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reduced the list to about a dozen and moved the rest to Famous people from South Carolina. These are people that I think have been the most influential in American life/culture.  This is obviously subjective and I expect other editors to have different ideas.  I consider this just a starting point for discussion - if others want to swap out people from one list to the other, I won't object.  But I would like to see the list in this article kept to about twelve (hence the hidden comment in the section), so that it doesn't overwhelm the article, and so that the truly notable individuals don't get buried in a list of less notable people.  I hope this is acceptable.  Deli nk (talk) 18:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Carolina Hurricanes
The Carolina Hurricanes have been added to the sports section. I don't believe they belong there as they have nothing to do with South Carolina. They were added to the paragraph that mentioned the Carolina Panthers which as based in Charlotte, NC BUT, the panthers actually played their first season in SC at Clemson. Rocketmaniac (talk) 12:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

the palttame state
south carolina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.246.196.144 (talk) 21:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Video Poker
There is a paragraph at the end of the economy section that describes the banning of video poker. Is this relevant anymore? It describes a change in the law that is now over eight years past. Jester5x5 (talk) 06:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There in a lot of stuff here on miscellaneous laws (for example county-by-county alcohol sales), which really doesn't need to be in an encyclopedia article on the state. Bdentremont (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Gallery section
Use of galleries is clearly defined in IUP and this article seems to have a massive and inappropriate gallery. It should be moved to Wikimedia commons. --Triwbe (talk) 19:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Foot notes needed
There are several sections in this article that need more foot notes. Some sections have only one foot note. Please fix this thanks.
 * And being as early as it is, I forgot to sign my comment Magnum Serpentine (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Earthquakes
Is it really necessary to detail relatively recent minor earthquakes (magnitudes of 3.x)? The 1871 Charleston quake is important. The rest can be noted by simply indicating that minor earthquakes continue to occur yearly.Doug (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. There is an article about the 1886 Charleston earthquake and this article should wikilink to that. (Did you mean 1886 and not 1871?) That earthquake add values to the article. Under the policy Wikipedia is not a collection of news reports, there is no reason to discuss a few broken windows. I will take a shot at a re-write. Please check if you would. A better reference is needed besides "(FEMA)" for the number of earthquakes per year. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did mean 1886. The newly written section is much better!  Thank-you.  :)Doug (talk) 12:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

South Carolina firsts
The "South Carolina firsts" section is decidedly unencyclopedic with out any citation of references. Many entries are ambiguous as to whether they are the first in SC or whether the significance is that SC had the first in the nation or world. Others such as "First Spoleto Festival ..." are just plain silly as the Spoleto festival itself is a unique event and apparently didn't make the cut for inclusion in this article. "First steam locomotive built in the United States to be used for regular railroad service" would be great, but it is the regularly scheduled railroad that was important and South Carolina. The locomotive was built at West Point Foundry in NY! I am going to give this a bit of time for anybody to back up any of these claims with references or raise an objection, and then start removing many of them. Thanks. -- Bdentremont (talk) 02:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Governor Stephen Colbert
Vandals! Why is Stephen Colbert listed as the governor of S.C.? Rangermike (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * He isn't now. He was, for a short period of time. tedder (talk) 15:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool, thx for fixing Rangermike (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Metro
Are CSA's generally used in state largest metros... because Columbia is the largest "metro." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.10.152.88 (talk) 20:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

CSA's are never used to describe MSA's... if wanted... please include a new section for largest CSA to include Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson CSA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.250.113 (talk) 03:50, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

History
Someone has got to do something about the first history section. It's full of nonsensical pseudo-information, baseless claims, poor spelling and grammar, and even an exclamation mark(!)!

I've noticed other problems with this page, but those two paragraphs in particular are easily the worst thing I've ever read on Wikipedia.

Somebody, please rectify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.168.114 (talk) 04:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Constitution vs. Articles of Confederation
"On February 5, 1778, South Carolina became the first state to ratify the American Constitution as an entity — the Articles of Confederation." The preceding sentence makes no sense as the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution are completely separate things. --Khajidha (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have rephrased this to better convey the intended sense. --Khajidha (talk) 23:28, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Too long
At more than 133, 000 bytes this article appears too long to download, read, and navigate comfortably. Please see WP:SPLIT. Some sections are already linked to a main article. In such cases it may be possible to transfer text into their respective main articles. New articles could possibly be created as needed to transfer more text. The benefit of these new and existing main articles is there plenty of room for expansion. This is not really the case for this particular article Steve Quinn (talk) 06:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Religion
I propose that you delete this section on Religion. Religion and religious affiliations are subjective topics. It's not something that you can measure without defining your term. 93% is too high to be accurate. If God were here to judge today, He would most likely change the percentage. Ronewirl (talk) 15:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Here are some links for whoever chooses to work on this: according to the last, about 1/3 are unaffiliated --JimWae (talk) 20:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.gallup.com/poll/114022/state-states-importance-religion.aspx
 * http://pluralism.org/affiliates/student/wells/SC_Religious_Diversity.pdf
 * http://www.city-data.com/states/South-Carolina-Religions.html
 * http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/AmericanReligionSurvey-ARIS/reports/ARIS_Report_2008.pdf
 * http://www.thearda.com/mapsReports/reports/state/45_2000.asp
 * There appears to be another interesting paper here  by Dr. Louis Venters who is mentioned in the paper of the second link above. Based on the collection of links here and above, I am guessing a new article could be created entitled "Religions of South Carolina" (or something like that). I agree that it would probably be best to remove the section on Religion in this article. It appears to be an oversimplification and is probably inaccurate.  Steve Quinn (talk) 03:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Institutions of Higher Education
Columbia College is one of the oldest higher education institutions in the state. It was founded in 1854. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.237.54 (talk) 22:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Native Americans??
I was trying to find out which native Americans came from this area. This article says nothing about it's native Americans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.77.51 (talk) 07:54, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

BEAR BAYING WHERE SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS TIE BEARS TOO WALLS REMOVE THEIR TEETH AND CLAWS AND ALLOW BEARS TOO BE ATTACKED BY MANY DOGS AT ONCE ,ONLY 1 OTHER PLACE IN THE WORLD DOES THIS PAKISTAN??????IT IS A EVIL AND VILE SHOW OF IGNORANCE ON BE HALF OF SOUTH CAROLINIANS.....AN EMBARASSMENT THEY DO NOT TALK ABOUT OR LET KNOWN,IT IS BASICLY LIKE PIT BULL FIGHTING BUT WORSE...GO ON UTUBE OR CAUSES AND SEE THIS HORRIBLE DISPLAY OF IGNORANCE ON BEHALF OF THEIR LAW MAKERS AND GOVENOR..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.215.239.51 (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

20th Century and Beyond
The section states at the end that South Carolina will no longer provide funding for elective C-Sections, which is acceptable, but then it appears to have an opinion from Governor Nicky Haley about the safety of Elective C-Sections. This has nothing to do with South Carolina and I propose it be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.81.150.209 (talk) 17:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Opinion
Good gravy, who wrote this line about "elective deliveries of babies" -- (a) it's opinion, and (b) illiterate. "This change will result in healthier babies and less needless costs for South Carolina." Randal Oulton (talk) 12:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Education
"South Carolina is one of just three states that have not agreed to using competitive international math and language standards."

This opening line (practically the only line on "Education") is remarkably biased, slanted and misleading to the audience. It needs to be removed and replaced with something more accurate.

A better alternative was easily found by a Google search. Suggestion: "The Common Core State Standards (CCSS) for English Language Arts and for Mathematics were adopted by South Carolina as its standards in English Language Arts and Mathematics in July of 2010. The standards will be fully implemented in school year 2014-2015."

http://ed.sc.gov/agency/se/Teacher-Effectiveness/Standards-and-Curriculum/South_Carolina_Common_Core.cfm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.7.17.3 (talk) 15:45, 20 December 2012 (UTC) it also has talents such as musicians like platinum and young jeezy

Geography
"The Piedmont (Upstate) region contains the roots of an ancient, eroded mountain chain. It is generally hilly, with thin, stony clay soils, and contains few areas suitable for farming. Much of the Piedmont was once farmed, with little success. It is now reforested." The Piedmont is not the upstate, reference Wikipedia here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstate_South_Carolina The Piedmont is the region between the upstate and the coastal plain. The Piedmont was unsuccessfully farmed? I can find no reference to back up this statement. I can also find no reference to dispute it as the farm output numbers are generated by state and not by region. By my personal observations as I live here, it was quite heavily and successfully farmed. There is the problem of soil erosion due to excessive cotton farming over the course of 2 centuries, which affects most of the south east US. There has been a drop in traditional farming but this is due to the economics of farming and not due to the suitability of the region. And it is true that a lot of farms have been reforested, such as my neighbor planting a thousand acres in trees. But this goes back to economics, and the trees are planted as a crop to feed the lumber industry which has thrived in the state since Europeans came here. I would like to see this line rewritten or else a citation to back up the validity of the statement. Thank you Leogebbia (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio
This edit appears to be a copyvio from CNN .--Lucas559 (talk) 03:14, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Intro - First state to declare independence
Hello,

Sorry if I make any mistakes, whether they be editing mistakes or historical mistakes. I'm from Australia and I was just looking up U.S History.

The introduction for South Carolina contains the sentence "It was the first of the 13 colonies that declared independence from the British Crown during the American Revolution."

Doesn't this contradict the following sentence taken from the Rhode Island page "Rhode Island was the first of the original Thirteen Colonies to declare independence from British rule, declaring itself independent on May 4, 1776, two months before any other colony."? Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebillmachine (talk • contribs) 05:09, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've tagged that claim and a related one in the body of the article as needing better verification, because I do believe RI was first. Calidum T&#124;C 03:27, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence has a good related article which may explain the origin of this claim: Many "declarations" were resolutions adopted at town or county meetings that offered support for independence. A few came in the form of jury instructions, such as the statement issued on April 23, 1776, by Chief Justice William Henry Drayton of South Carolina: "the law of the land authorizes me to declare...that George the Third, King of Great Britain...has no authority over us, and we owe no obedience to him."[38] Or maybe there is some confusion with SC being the first to secede from the Union. A Google search for "south+carolina+first+state+to+declare+independence+American+revolution" shows nothing consistent with the claim other than this South Carolina article. It seems reasonable to remove it until a solid reference is provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.111.255.138 (talk) 09:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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What is up with the section on religious demographics. Was this section vandalized by fanatical Christians? Why does this article list as the only possible choices as Christian or no religion? Does this mean that Islam, Judaism and Buddhists are outlawed in SC? Or did they all get lynched by the KKK just before the article was written. Or could it be that the author does not regard them as valid religions. I am tempted to delete the whole article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.213.97 (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This a good question, honestly the statistics on the page have no source so who is to say they were not just made up one the spot. I will do a little digging on this topic and see what i can find about the diversity of religions other than christian in South Carolina. If anyone knows where to find some good statistical demographics on the subject could you link it here in this thread or make the appropriate changes with references to the aforementioned data. In the future please sign your posts using four tilde symbols. Thanks, --Darkskynet (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The unsourced information, among other things, is missing 8% of the population and seems extremely biased. I have removed it and added a more accurate list from the Association of Religion Data Archives. --Cbs527 (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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